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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2025, 08:52:05 am »
Hi Chris

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2025, 02:58:15 pm »
Hi Chris

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Hi Rich, great to have you riding along!

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2025, 03:39:25 pm »
This morning started cutting the steam chest bases for the Erie engine, same procedure as for the Marion already shown. Got the blanks bolted together with the jig plates, this time a narrower gap between the blanks since the dimensions from the cylinder are different:

Here is the sketch for figuring out the gap - varies with diameters of the center section and the end flanges and thickness of the base. Drew it out full size to help figure things out before cutting the blanks. As with the first set, the blanks are extra long to let the jig bolt to them and have room to trim off the screw holes.

Turned in the center section to fit the plug gauge made the other day,

Then turned in the end to fit the end flanges on the cylinders, past the screw holes:

Now, here is where things diverged from the first set. On that one, I did lots of measuring of the length of the blanks, the length of the flange counterbore, length of the center section on the cylinder, and did some easy math to determine how deep to counterbore in the second end. All well and good, but there was no way while cutting the second end to get a really good measurement of the center section left - the distance figured out was good, but I like to get actual measurements to get the best fit possible. Last night had the idea of rigging up a depth gauge block on the calipers.
Many of the manufacturers of dial calipers make a depth gauge accessory block that screws onto the side of the caliper to span holes when using the tail bar in the calipers. I don't happen to have one, but they are easy to make, simply a bar with a groove in it thats a close fit on the outside of the calipers, and a screw or clamp bar. That would get me halfway there - all the way if it was a blind hole or there was an easy way to put a plate at the inside end. So, next best thing - made another little clamp bar that goes on the end of the sliding bar on the calipers! Here is a view from the back side, showing the grooves in the blocks:

and from the front, showing the little clamp bars holding them in place. All is removeable, no changes made to the calipers

To calibrate the dial, I used a 1" wide machinists parallel, and set the bars so the dial read about 1", and tightened them down

That got it close - with the 1" piece still in place, then rotated the dial on the caliper back to zero.

and its ready for use. Since the new crosspiece on the sliding bar keeps the jaws from closing all the way, the minimum distance it will read is less than an inch, but for this use thats fine - all the cylinders are longer than that.

Next step was to turn the jig around in the four jaw and center it up to cut the counterbore on that end. Here is how the new dial caliper rig works - ran in the lower end so the new crossbar hooks over the counterbore, and the jaws closed until the crossbar on the main caliper body is against the part:

The dial now reads the length of the center section directly. This should save lots of time when counterboring the second end, now I can check the distances as I go to get a good fit on the cylinders.   :cartwheel:

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2025, 04:23:26 pm »
I like the caliper addition, (and also envy you a good old fashioned dial indicator on it) Cool!
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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2025, 04:29:45 pm »
Great caliper mod!  I'll have to keep that one in mind  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2025, 04:33:32 pm »
 :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Schmart! Like the depth gauge setup for the caliper. That will be handy for many jobs I think.

Any shop elves show up yet at the caliper with beer glasses once you mentioned "bars" in the post today?  :Lol:
"I've cut that stock three times, and it's still too short!"

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2025, 05:22:38 pm »
I like the caliper addition, (and also envy you a good old fashioned dial indicator on it) Cool!
I tried the digital ones years ago, did not like them - some ate batteries since they were hard to turn off, others would time out and turn off too soon... I prefer the dials!

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2025, 05:23:51 pm »
Great caliper mod!  I'll have to keep that one in mind  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:

Kim
Its working great so far (post upcoming). You can buy the bars that go on the main shank from most manufacturers, have not see one on the sliding rod before (though I don't know what term to use to search for them).
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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2025, 05:24:53 pm »
:ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Schmart! Like the depth gauge setup for the caliper. That will be handy for many jobs I think.

Any shop elves show up yet at the caliper with beer glasses once you mentioned "bars" in the post today?  :Lol:
I wish I had made at least the one for the main shank a long time ago, much easier to hook on the edge of a hole than the narrow end next to the sliding bar!

And yes, they are standing around my keyboard right now...   :facepalm2:

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2025, 05:34:02 pm »
After lunch I got the counterbore started on the second end of the Erie steam chest bases. Using the measurement from the post this morning, I made the bore slightly less so I could sneak up on the actual dimension - the ends of the blanks were a little rough so not a great place for an exact measurement. Then took a new measurement for the actual cut, with the handwheel position at the bottom of the cut noted:

Then subtracted the distance desired, measured from the cylinders, and saw that I needed to go another 15 thou in. Did that, new measurement showed it right on. So, took the parts off the chuck and opened up the jig. Perfect fit! Should be just right for silver soldering.

So, here are the two sets done so far:

Still to go are the sets for the Bucyrus and the Thew. I need to turn down the end of the go/nogo gauge for those sets, they are smaller than the first two. Once those are to this stage, I'll trim the ends and the sides of the bases down to final dimensions, and run in some small brass screws to hold things for silver soldering. Hopefully by then the cold snap we are in this week eases a bit, to get outside for the soldering without freezing my swarf off!   :Lol:   If still too cold, plenty of other things to keep working on...

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2025, 08:22:23 pm »
Looking nice and uniform there Chris  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:
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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2025, 08:56:02 pm »
Looking nice and uniform there Chris  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:
Thanks Sanjay!   :)

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2025, 09:17:45 pm »
Great method and such a neat finish  :praise2:

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2025, 03:48:46 pm »
Got the other two sets cut - going much faster with practice and with the depth gauge.

and have started cutting off the bulk of the excess length. I am leaving a bit of an overhang for the silver soldering step, having inside corners to run in the solder helps when doing wide contact areas, can put in extra and let it wick in better than on two even surfaces with the joint.


Once all are trimmed closer to length, I'll cut the bases to width.

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Re: Chris's Slew-Crowd Engines
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2025, 05:59:59 pm »
 :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: You're moving right along Chris!

I hope there wasn't a nuclear criticality incident in the shop elves' microwave again - the last photo looked kinda blue tinted... :Lol: 

(or maybe the snowplow just went by your shop window with the blue flashing lights on for the 56th time in the last few days!)  :Lol:
"I've cut that stock three times, and it's still too short!"

 

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