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Title: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 11, 2021, 01:38:34 AM
I thought I'd like to have a go at an IC engine for my next project. Hamilton Upshur's well known Farm Engine seemed like a good candidate, so I ordered and the plans. These plans include both horizontal and vertical versions, overhead valve or an F-head, and a few other building options as well. I will be building the vertical version with the standard OHV head.

Assembly drawing from the plans, and my incomplete Solidworks model, for reference.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjc9zBKy/Part1.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/26GnnK6z/Vertical-Farm-Engine.jpg)

The last couple of weeks have been primarily family time, but I did have a few quiet moments to get a start on the steel cylinder liner, cut out of a scrap steel spike found discarded at a construction site. After turning the OD, I gave it a slightly darkened, weathered, finish by heating it with a propane torch and allowing to cool slowly.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MpBR9TT3/IMG-1201.jpg)

Today was my first day back to normal “working hours”, and I was able to get the liner bored out and cut off to length.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xjsKChh5/IMG-1204.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/yYtch9VS/IMG-1207.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: joe d on September 11, 2021, 12:55:05 PM
Going to be another fun one to follow, Ron.

I'll get the popcorn machine going....

Joe
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 11, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Thanks Joe, glad to have you along!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Art K on September 11, 2021, 11:27:20 PM
Having built Upshur's vertical I have a soft spot in my heart for his designs so count me in!
Art
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Dave Otto on September 11, 2021, 11:48:24 PM
That's a nice little engine; looking forward to following along.

Dave
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 12, 2021, 12:40:45 AM
Art, Dave – Thanks for your interest!

A few weeks ago I added some photos to my Small Dividing Head thread showing my first attempt at gear cutting. Those two brass gears are both 30 tooth, and one will be used on this engine as part of the cam drive. The other gear needed is 60 tooth, which I cut in aluminum soon after. These gears have a straight tooth profile, i.e., not involute. I want to try them anyway on the engine. If they work, great. If they let me know they're unhappy I'll try making an involute cutter. Actually, I expect I'll do that eventually anyway.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DfJgbWVZ/IMG-1209.jpg)

Back to the present. I worked on the frame top plate today. The hole to accept the cylinder liner was bored using the boring head. While it was on the mill the drilled holes for the frame screws and the cylinder head studs were also laid out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sfkJPVyJ/IMG-1211.jpg)

Got a nice, snug fit of the cylinder to the plate. A light tap will fully seat it, but I don't want to do that just yet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTDQ0SjY/IMG-1212.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/JzmcgPsD/IMG-1215.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Roger B on September 12, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Looks good  :)  :) There have been a few Upshur builds on here if you need any help.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: mikehinz on September 13, 2021, 08:36:48 PM
Ron, I"ll be following along.  I'm very interested as I'm starting an Upshur horizontal air-cooled, so I'm sure I'll pickup some tips from your build.

Good luck!

Mike
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 14, 2021, 12:56:20 AM
Thanks Roger!
Good luck on your build too, Mike! I hope you post your progress, could be vice versa on picking up tips.  :cheers:

Been mostly working on the bottom and side frame plates, including flycutting the plate stock to make it smooth, uniform, and pretty.
The bottom is pretty much done. I convinced some #10 washers to masquerade as 1/2” filing buttons.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGpjwjvy/IMG-1216.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/DZWJJkQ0/IMG-1217.jpg)

Laying out the “warn me before I cut somewhere stupid” lines for the side plates. I'm taking some liberties with the shape vs. the plans, but not altering anything important.
(https://i.postimg.cc/50ZH87p3/IMG-1218.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 16, 2021, 12:55:04 AM
To cut out the side plates, first the concave bits were defined using a 1/2” end mill. I used XY coordinates for location, the lines are just for back-up and reference.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mZXggGWp/IMG-1219.jpg)

A 3/16” end mill was used to to connect all the straight lines and cut the part free. Then it was bolted to the second side and used as a template to machine the shape of that one. The convex curve was done by hand using the bandsaw, file, and a Dremel sanding drum. Finally, with the parts still bolted together, the crankshaft holes were drilled and reamed to 1/2”. (I neglected to take any pictures of these last steps).
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCsC1mXq/IMG-1223.jpg)

Nearly done with the frame, just a bit of clean-up still to do, and the drilling/tapping to mount the top plate.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pX3VKYTD/IMG-1228.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: sid pileski on September 16, 2021, 01:26:04 PM
I like the extra effort you put in to make it look less boxy.

Sid.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: joe d on September 17, 2021, 01:11:00 AM
That turned out really nice, Ron! :ThumbsUp:

Cheers, Joe
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 17, 2021, 01:15:39 AM
Thanks Joe!
Thanks Sid!

Just about the time I got finished drilling and tapping the holes for the top plate and sanding out the last of the tool marks in the convex portion of the side plates, UPS showed up with my McMaster order. In there was the bar of 1/2” x 1” hot rolled cold rolled (oops, ordered the wrong part #) for the crankshaft, so I could get right to work on that next. JIT deliveries, just like the big boys!

Mr. Upshur's plans offer the option of either a turned crankshaft or a fabricated version using drill rod and bar stock cheeks, silver soldered together. I'm going for the turned version first. If that doesn't work out for some reason I can try the other. First step after sawing off a suitable piece was to accurately center drill the ends for turning between centers. One pair for turning the crank pin and another pair for the main shaft.
(https://i.postimg.cc/WbXgHg14/IMG-1230.jpg)

Some time back I made a head stock live center to fit the Taig spindle taper, with a threaded drawbar to keep it seated. This is the first good excuse I've had to use it! For this part the 4J works perfectly as a drive dog, with 2 jaws brought down lightly against the sides of the bar, and the other two offering moral support. In the first picture below I retracted one jaw so the center can just be seen.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7Zh08h5n/IMG-1231.jpg)

The sawn-out notch gives a headstart in turning the crank pin.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RZYfMmf5/IMG-1233.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Dave Otto on September 17, 2021, 01:26:41 AM
Moving right along Ron, lots of good progress!  :ThumbsUp:

Dave
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Art K on September 17, 2021, 01:36:42 AM
Ron,
You are making good progress. I like your treatment of the crank case, it looks good!
Art
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: kuhncw on September 17, 2021, 01:59:03 AM
You are getting a lot of nice work out of your Taig machines. 

Chuck
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 17, 2021, 02:02:36 AM
Nice work! Watching along...   :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on September 17, 2021, 05:30:29 AM
You're moving along on this quickly, Ron!

Did you do any stress relieving on your cold rolled steel?  If not, you might want to do that.  It can have a tendency to go banana shaped when you machine it.  I also know that some people just make it then bend it back straight again after machining.  That hasn't worked as well for me, but some people seem to do it OK.

Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: john mills on September 17, 2021, 06:37:20 AM
I like to do a rough machine leave enough to finish machine after it has moved after rough machining ,
if you have to bend it be cause it bent to much it is easier to get it straight if you finally finish machine it straight
as the last operation.
John.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 17, 2021, 12:32:37 PM
You're moving along on this quickly, Ron!

Did you do any stress relieving on your cold rolled steel?  If not, you might want to do that.  It can have a tendency to go banana shaped when you machine it.  I also know that some people just make it then bend it back straight again after machining.  That hasn't worked as well for me, but some people seem to do it OK.

Kim
Kim, whats it take to stress relieve crs? I've done it for brass, don't know the process for cold rolled.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Hugh Currin on September 17, 2021, 03:31:02 PM
Kim, whats it take to stress relieve crs? I've done it for brass, don't know the process for cold rolled.

I built a bearing mount recently and had some trouble. It's made of CR 1018 and looks like this:

(http://www.currin.us/MEM/Bearing_Mount.jpg)

I cut the large hole for bearings first. SOP so the larger stock is easy to hold in a lathe four jaw. Very nice fit. Then went about hacking off the outside curve in the mill. When finished the hole for bearings was definitely not round. So I tried again by first annealing the 1018 stock. I'm not sure which reference I used but the temperatures can be found here (https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6115).

For annealing just heat up to temperature, leave at temp for an hour or so (guidelines give time at temp versus thickness of part, but it's an hour or two). Then turn off the oven and let cool overnight. (Avoid the temptation to open the door and look inside.) For 1018 temperature is 870-910 deg C. For stress relieving it is 500-700 deg C, but let cool in still air rather than overnight in the furnace. I don't know the colors to go for if using a torch for heating.

On the second try I cut the outer curve first and made a jig to hold it in the lathe for the hole. So I'm not sure how much the annealing helped, but the part came out well.

For a crank it may be best to cut the basic shape leaving dimensions a good bit oversized. Then stress relieve, followed by finish cuts.

Thanks.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 17, 2021, 04:15:12 PM
Chuck, Chris - Thank you!

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Did you do any stress relieving on your cold rolled steel?
Hi Kim. No, I didn't, at least not yet. I had meant to order a bar of hot-rolled, but through an act of carelessness ordered cold-rolled instead. Now that I've got it I'm using it as a "learning opportunity". It's a smallish part, not expensive, not terribly time intensive, so I think I'll plunge ahead and find out for myself what happens.

As for stress relieving, I'm not sure I have any good way right now to get it up to the ~1100F needed, and hold it there for 1 hour or more. My coal forge is long gone, my oxy-acetylene torch is at my Son's in TX (anyway, hold it for an hour?)  , I don't even have a charcoal BBQ anymore! I'm sure I could find a way, but I'm not going to sweat it now. If I make a pretzel I'll hang it on the wall and order the right stuff, or build the fabbed version, for which I have stock on hand already.

John and Hugh - Thank you for the comments and suggestions. I will certainly do what I can as far as trying to leave myself some extra material to remove post-warping.  :cheers:
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on September 17, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
Kim, whats it take to stress relieve crs? I've done it for brass, don't know the process for cold rolled.

Hugh gave a good answer on this, but I'll tell you how I do it.  My method isn't nearly as technical or accurate.  I just use my torch (Oxy-Acetylene) to heat up the part till it's nice and red hot.  I play the torch up and down it, trying to keep it evenly red for a while (feels like 20 minutes, is probably more like 5-10) then I just let it sit on the fire bricks and cool.   I'm sure an oven would be much better and let you more accurately deal with soak time.  But this has worked pretty well for me.  I've had good luck with it anyway.

Maybe someday I'll get an oven!  Or make one like Hugh! :)

Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 17, 2021, 04:54:43 PM
Thanks guys for the info on stress relieving.


Ron, you mentioned you had intended to buy hot-rolled instead. Does the hot-rolled version not need stress relieving like cold-rolled does?
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 17, 2021, 05:59:25 PM
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Ron, you mentioned you had intended to buy hot-rolled instead. Does the hot-rolled version not need stress relieving like cold-rolled does?
That's right. the cold rolling process itself introduces most of the stress we're talking about needing to relieve. On the other hand, in hot-rolling the temperatures involved are high enough that (1) the material is in a more malleable state during forming, and (2) the stress-relieving step is accomplished by default. I think there are still some stresses locked in, but far less and so less of an issue. But you are left with that ugly and often troublesome surface scale.

There is also something called stress-free steel available, but apparently only in round bar form. Brian Rupnow has discussed using it to good effect for crankshafts, but it does require extra work to produce a flat bar.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Hugh Currin on September 17, 2021, 07:36:51 PM
There is also something called stress-free steel available, but apparently only in round bar form. Brian Rupnow has discussed using it to good effect for crankshafts, but it does require extra work to produce a flat bar.

I agree with hot rolled having far less residual stresses than low carbon cold rolled steel like1018. Hot rolled shouldn't tweek as much.

Did you mean "stressproof" steel (https://www.metalsupermarkets.com/metals/cold-rolled-steel/cold-rolled-steel-c1144/)? I haven't used it but it looks like it would be a good choice.

You might be OK cutting the crank leaving a good margin. Then once you have it all to rough shape take it to finished size. Most of the warp will occur during the first large cuts.

It'll be interesting.

Thanks.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 17, 2021, 07:51:43 PM
Ah! That explains a lot - had gotten some hot-rolled a couple times, stopped getting it after having problems with the scale, never used enough to realize it didn't have the stress issues.

I've used the 1144 Stressproof a number of times, on both crankshafts and engine blocks - works very well. Its a little harder to machine than the 303 stainless, and it is NOT stainless so it can rust, but fine for non-wet applications. As you say, only available in round bar.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 17, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
Right, stressproof, not stress-free (as if such a thing could exist).

Got the crankpin turned before lunch. Not much I can do about leaving material there, since the centers for turning it will be removed preparatory to turning the main shafts. So it's finished to final size. It'll be interesting to see what happens after I hack off the surplus material from both ends and start turning the mains.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 18, 2021, 01:02:30 AM
As mentioned above, I turned the crankpin this morning. I worked it down slowly, alternating between using left and right turning tools to face the web cheeks, and a parting tool to turn the OD.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0NyrygQq/IMG-1237.jpg)

 (https://i.postimg.cc/76pL9fNx/IMG-1238.jpg)

So far, so good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJZJ9wdH/IMG-1239.jpg)

I cut away most of the waste material outside the main shafts with my trusty ankle grinder and a hack saw. Then remounted it on the other set of centers. The block of aluminum is a light tap fit between the cheeks, and is secured with a bit of Loctite. Once the turning is done I'll remove it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CMq51sFd/IMG-1241.jpg)

My plan is to work this down slow and easy also. Once I knock the corners of the first end, I will turn it around and do the same to the other end, plus take it down a little farther on the OD. I'll continue swapping ends like that until I get to the final size. Hopefully this will help mitigate the warping tendency.

This is where I left off for the day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XqdYz429/IMG-1242.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 18, 2021, 01:06:19 AM
Great progress, watching along...
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 18, 2021, 11:44:29 PM
Once I got the first end fully round, and down to just under 0.5”, I turned it around and worked the opposite end down to 0.4”. The chuck jaw could no longer drive things once it was rounded, so I pressed the adapter I made for mounting 1/2” shank boring bars to the Taig tool posts into service as a drive dog.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzhYMnd7/IMG-1244.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zvpy8SKp/IMG-1245.jpg)

Both ends fully down to the final OD of 0.3125”, and by George it's still straight!
(https://i.postimg.cc/66h2rwgR/IMG-1247.jpg)

Cleaned up, oiled up, and ready to crank!  :wine1:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKKctNJL/IMG-1249.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXtyQ7JG/IMG-1251.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Hugh Currin on September 18, 2021, 11:47:33 PM
Sure looks like it worked. If it doesn't wobble you're golden.

Thanks.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on September 18, 2021, 11:47:49 PM
That's excellent, Ron!  I haven't had that good of luck with 1018, but glad to see it worked great for you! Well done!  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:
Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 19, 2021, 12:00:46 AM
Always great when they come out straight, a lot of work!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Brian Rupnow on September 19, 2021, 01:16:45 AM
I've not had good luck machining crankshafts from hot-rolled steel. However, I have found out that crankshafts in these smaller sizes are flexible little devils, so if you put one end in the 3 jaw chuck and use a dial indicator on the other end, you can usually tap them with a mallet until they are straight enough to use without a flywheel death-wobble.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 19, 2021, 02:45:43 AM
Thanks Kim!
Thanks Chris! Yes, a lot of work, but a fun challenge. I really enjoy offset turning anyway, although I'm always glad to get past the interrupted cuts!
Good tip Brian, Thank you. Worry about flexibility is why I put in that temporary filler block. I do doubt that I would have had as good an outcome with cold-rolled if this had been a longer, multi-throw crankshaft.

Speaking of straightening a bent piece - In my youth working on well drilling tools, I did a lot of lathe work on 30+ ft drill collars and drill pipe, either of which sometimes came in bent. The collars could be up to 10" diameter. They were loaded into the lathe through a hole in the wall and through the so called "hollow"spindle of the lathe (try googling Lehmann "hollow spindle" or "oil patch" lathe for some idea) and supported outside by a roller jack that I could adjust for height and was on rails for placement. Sometimes these things got bent, usually when a threaded joint cracked and broke and the drill string got dropped (sometimes around a mile) to the bottom of the hole. When they were bent so bad that they were bouncing off the roller, we would have Dub's Welding bring their trailer mounted hydraulic straightening machine over. Watching this thing straighten a 10" OD x 30ft hunk of of 1040 steel or Monel, with no more that a 3" hole through the center, was a fairly impressive sight. Three jaw chuck and a mallet need not apply!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 20, 2021, 12:17:51 AM
More work than pictures this time! I got the bronze crank bearings made, then I worked on the aluminum cylinder fins. They're finished except for a light final facing cut of the fins and cylinder together. In the picture, the cylinder is not full seated down into the top plate, on purpose. It's snug, and I don't want to make it un-snug by playing with it too much!
(https://i.postimg.cc/jSj1XtnM/IMG-1253.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 22, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
I figured a good next job would be to top the cylinder with a cylinder head. Basically a straight forward turning and drilling operation. I planned from the beginning to go with the side mounted spark plug option, but I haven't drilled the spark plug hole yet, preferring to wait until I have the plug on hand, or at least know for sure what plug I'm going to use.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GmcYx4r4/IMG-1255.jpg)

With that done, I moved on to the connecting rod. This will be fun, with straight turning, taper turning, and milling operations, plus I can make it out of brass. I have a 3/4” round bar of brass that I've had so long I no longer remember where I got it from, but with the current brass prices I'm glad I still have it. It has a key slot at one end, so it was likely a shaft for something once. I cut off a 4” piece and chucked it up, then I remembered the taper turning and remounted it between centers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sgwW63Dw/IMG-1256.jpg)

I got the profile roughly roughed out before it got a little hot in the garage and I stopped for the day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/43y9jjYZ/IMG-1258.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: steamer on September 22, 2021, 01:04:47 AM
I don't think I've seen this engine before.    I like it.    Gotta second Chris's comment.     It is good when they come out straight

Dave
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 23, 2021, 01:00:26 AM
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I don't think I've seen this engine before.    I like it.
Thanks Dave. I'm surprised you haven't seen it, it's been around quite awhile. Dates on the drawing pages range from 1977 - 2001. The version I'm doing was featured in ModelTec magazine March and April of 1999.

I've done lot's of taper turning in my day, but always with the luxury of a taper attachment. This was my first try at turning a taper by offsetting the tailstock. I did the math and it worked out just fine. It's over on the mill now to create the two flat, parallel sides.
(https://i.postimg.cc/g2SpXFbt/IMG-1263.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 24, 2021, 12:44:21 AM
One connecting rod done. And since this is a single cylinder engine, I only have to do one!

Per my usual lately, I got so wrapped up in working and having a good time that once again I forgot to take many process. Just this one, of the second side getting milled flat.  :shrug:
(https://i.postimg.cc/NF7sk5pR/IMG-1267.jpg)

Nothing like a close-up photo to reveal where a little more 400/600 grit sanding is needed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1Rp3Qjs4/IMG-1268.jpg)

It fits, and moves like it should. Now it needs a piston.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kXsMVRVm/IMG-1272.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tCpCCN4k/IMG-1271.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: crueby on September 24, 2021, 12:59:39 AM
Looking great Ron!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on September 24, 2021, 11:19:20 AM
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Per my usual lately, I got so wrapped up in working and having a good time that once again I forgot to take many process. Just this one, of the second side getting milled flat.  :shrug:

Well you got the most important part right - Enjoyment  :cheers:

The physical Parts are very good too  :ThumbsUp:

Per
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 25, 2021, 12:39:53 AM
Chris and Per – Thank you!

Instead of a piston, I elected to work on the cam today. This was fabricated in two parts, a main body and a lobe that was soldered onto the body.

What will become the lobe is the larger of the two parts shown here. After turning and boring it to size, I ran the cut-off tool in part way to mark it, but didn't cut it off yet. The smaller part is the main body. It is turned to match the bore of the lobe, and is itself bored to 0.375”.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9XB5N1Tq/IMG-1275.jpg)

Here you can see why I left the extra material on the lobe blank. It makes it easier to clamp to the mill table for roughing in the lobe-ish shape.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hPPWFxbZ/IMG-1277.jpg)

Then it was back to the lathe to part it off. The actual cam lobe was separated from the rest of the ring with a Dremel abrasive disc, ready to be tinned with soft solder.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4NLCXdWf/IMG-1280.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9Qr60hkG/IMG-1282.jpg)

The two parts were clamped together and heated to complete the soldering job.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwHtbNVR/IMG-1284.jpg)

Files, the disc/belt sander, and wet/dry paper were used to do the final shaping and polishing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tzD5mby/IMG-1287.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tZ2vN3H/IMG-1289.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: joe d on September 25, 2021, 12:11:39 PM
Still following along & enjoying this, Ron.  Clever idea for fabricating the cam, I would never have thought of that! :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:

Joe
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 25, 2021, 02:47:12 PM
Thank you, Joe. I can't take credit for the method, it is in the Upshur plans. It is a good one, and worked out quite well.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 25, 2021, 11:51:44 PM
A fairly easy going day today, leading into another "forced" work stoppage (doggone grandkids :LittleAngel:). I did manage to get the cam and the gears all mounted up and doing the hokey-pokey.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dw6R2FrP/IMG-1291.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pdd4r7kb/IMG-1292.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Don1966 on September 26, 2021, 12:27:33 AM
 :Love:



 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Hugh Currin on September 26, 2021, 05:47:54 AM
Ron:

Nice progress, I like the con rod!

Thanks.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 27, 2021, 04:38:16 PM
Thanks Don! Thanks Hugh!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: mikehinz on September 28, 2021, 02:58:01 PM
I figured a good next job would be to top the cylinder with a cylinder head. Basically a straight forward turning and drilling operation. I planned from the beginning to go with the side mounted spark plug option, but I haven't drilled the spark plug hole yet, preferring to wait until I have the plug on hand, or at least know for sure what plug I'm going to use.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GmcYx4r4/IMG-1255.jpg)

Ron, just a quick hint based on what I ran into on my engine build, but I've not yet documented in my build thread.  I think it's likely that the SAE standard nuts you should will interfere with the rocker post whenever you install it. I ended up making some brass washers 5/16" x .050" and some model scale nuts .219" across the flats by .140" in height.  Those cleared fine when I tried them.

FYI.

MIke
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 28, 2021, 05:03:03 PM
Hi Mike. Thanks for the warning. I did notice the other day that it appeared the rocker post would interfere with those nuts. I drilled that hole undersize and haven't opened it up to the specified 3/16" post diameter yet. So I have the option of making the post slim enough to clear. Or I can make a pair of smaller nuts, as you did. Or I can abandon studs and just use long SHCSs instead.

Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: mnay on September 28, 2021, 07:20:25 PM
Looks great, I like the open design.
Mike
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on September 28, 2021, 09:07:34 PM
Thanks, Mike! I like the open design too, that's a big part of why I chose it. An IC engine with all the whirly bits out in the open like a steam engine.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 01, 2021, 11:41:06 PM
It appears that Mike Hinz and I worked on some of the same stuff today! However, I elected to make my rocker post out of brass. The “hole in the head” is drilled all the way through in my case, but only to a 0.135” diameter. So I turned a stepped post from 1/4” square, the bottom bit to match the hole, then an upper part to the plan's specified 0.1875”. Then it was notched, drilled, and tapped 2-56 on the mill.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y2smtWdg/IMG_1297.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJw1kKsD/IMG_1296.jpg)

The rocker arm I made out of steel. This was mostly a hand tools job, plus a bit with the grinder and sander.

To address the clearance issue between the standard SAE nuts and the rocker posts, I simply opened up a couple of 4-40 nuts with a 6-32 tap drill and re-tapped them. Now there is plenty of clearance, and the smaller nuts look better too.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxKKCdzz/IMG_1300.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: mikehinz on October 02, 2021, 12:07:30 AM

To address the clearance issue between the standard SAE nuts and the rocker posts, I simply opened up a couple of 4-40 nuts with a 6-32 tap drill and re-tapped them. Now there is plenty of clearance, and the smaller nuts look better too.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxKKCdzz/IMG_1300.jpg)
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Dang!! You had a much better idea than I did!  Tapping out some 4-40s is a MUCH better idea.  I went through way too much work, maxing a piece of hex out of round and then breaking off a tap one one of the nuts.  Good idea and it looks good!

Mike
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 05, 2021, 12:58:41 AM
Today started with making up the two brass valve guides and retainers. Nothing too special there.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8ChJ8pH/IMG-1381.jpg)

I also opened up the holes in the cylinder head that the guides fit into, going just deep enough to seat the larger diameter flush with the top surface.

After that I turned my attention to making the two valves. These are two parters, silver soldered together. I used some left over bits of 3/32” 304SS for the stems, and 5/16 12L14 rod for the heads. The first step was to drill the rod for the stem and rough turn the 45degree chamfer. Then I parted off, about 0.025” longer than the finished thickness.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zGwCTY4R/IMG-1385.jpg)

With the stem inserted into the head, I silver soldered them together.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wKgBbHf/IMG-1386.jpg)

Now I was able to hold the valve by the stem in a 3/32” collet and finish turning the head, ensuring good concentricity.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7LmSQMHH/IMG-1387.jpg)

The first of the finished valves, and loosely assembled with guide, spring, and retainer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pTrKNhrD/IMG-1388.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7hT76Fgh/IMG-1392.jpg)

The second valve was done in exactly the same way.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Don1966 on October 05, 2021, 04:54:10 AM
Nice results Ron……  :Love:



 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on October 05, 2021, 05:31:58 AM
Making great progress, Ron!  :popcorn: :popcorn:
Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Roger B on October 05, 2021, 05:19:28 PM
Looking good, those nuts are a neat solution  :ThumbsUp:  :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 06, 2021, 02:16:07 AM
Don, Kim, Roger - Thanks guys, always appreciated!

Today was mostly running various errands, so didn't do much on the engine that was post-worthy, although I did make a start on a valve seat cutter per the Upshur plans.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 07, 2021, 11:26:18 PM
In the last post I mentioned making a valve seat cutter. This was made from drill rod, with the cutting edge hardened. There is a central hole to accept a pilot of the same diameter as the valve stems. Here's a picture of it in use. It just gets turned by hand to cut a thin valve seat into the bottom face of the head.
(https://i.postimg.cc/yNyy72v4/IMG_1394.jpg)

My order of Viton o-rings came from Mcmaster, so the next task was to get the piston made. Starting with a piece of 6061 Aluminum, I faced one end and turned the OD to fit the cylinder. A partial plunge with the parting tool marked the length. Then I used the same parting tool to make the o-ring groove.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9MXt01n4/IMG_1396.jpg)

And the interior was bored out to accept the con rod.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ2KCFRs/IMG_1399.jpg)

The whole shebang, chuck included, was then moved over to the mill and mounted to an angle plate for drilling and reaming the wrist pin hole. Finally, it went back to the lathe for final parting off.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGzxjCX8/IMG_1401.jpg)

Here's a couple of videos of the whole assembly to date, being test run on the lathe. The first is headless, showing the piston doing its thing. The second one has the head installed with the exhaust valve functioning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5FN3aLB2Pw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLuIXdIPJU
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on October 08, 2021, 05:37:27 AM
Great videos, Ron!  It's good to see things going around and up and down.   :ThumbsUp:

You must have modified your Taig with a variable speed motor?  Mine never went that slow.

Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 08, 2021, 05:21:19 PM
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You must have modified your Taig with a variable speed motor?  Mine never went that slow.
Hi Kim. Yes, after about a year of running the Taig on an old 1/4 horse AC motor, I upgraded to a Sherline DC motor and controller. A very easy conversion that was well worth the small effort. Infinitely variable speeds are nice, but the real benefit is being able to get to a much lower minimum rpm.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QNvFNvc8/IMG_1407.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 11, 2021, 12:36:52 AM
With most of the main components of the engine made, I've been turning my attention to the supporting cast. Today was Carb Day (one of the Indy 500 traditions that's been cast aside).

Here, the parts laid out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pd2YCYWc/IMG-1408.jpg)

And Assembled.
(https://i.postimg.cc/26ydRkB4/IMG-1411.jpg)



And finally, installed (temporarily) on the engine. You can see that I also made an “exhaust pipe”, and put a blacksmith's finish on the rocker arm (heated red and quenched in veggie oil). Unlike Mike Hinz, I cheated and bought my valve springs from McMaster. The carb still needs a throttle handle, and those head studs need to be shortened.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwsVTzrB/IMG-1420.jpg)

I don't expect too much more in the way of significant progress in the coming weeks. We'll be departing on a road trip to see my youngest son and his family in TX soon. It's been over a year and a half since the last visit. We were on the way home from there when the Covid thing first started, and within a week or two of arriving home the lock-down started. Needless to say, we're looking forward to this trip!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: 90LX_Notch on October 11, 2021, 02:04:00 AM
It’s coming along really nicely Ron.

-Bob
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on October 11, 2021, 04:03:55 AM
Excellent work on the carburetor, Ron.

You have a great time on your trip!  That is what it's all about  :ThumbsUp:

Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 11, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
Thank you Bob! Sorry for the glitch on your engine build, but glad the repair is well underway! :ThumbsUp:

Thanks Kim, we certainly will! :cheers:
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: mikehinz on October 11, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
Ron, your carb looks very good!  I hope whenever I make one it comes out as good as yours and even more I hope it will work!

Have a good trip!

Mike
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on October 12, 2021, 12:00:54 AM
Thanks Mike!

I did manage to make up a simple fixture so I could pressurize the cylinder head and check the sealing of the valves. With no valve lapping done yet, no head gasket, and neither  the valve guides nor the rocker post yet Loctited/sealed into the head, I'm pleased and relieved that the valves held 20psi with only a slight leakage. Listening closely I could hear a small hiss from somewhere, but didn't try to track down the source at this point. Anyway, nothing like the nice crisp burp when I manually opened then quickly released either valve.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on November 20, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
Got home from our trip out to TX yesterday. Took almost a week to get there, camping every night, including two nights near Winslow, AZ so we could spend a day at Petrified Forest NP. A great two and a half weeks with our son and daughter-in-law and 3 grandkiddos. Then a week and a half to wander home, including three days at Big Bend NP. Almost 4600 miles round trip, with camp sites in CA, AZ, NM, OK, and TX, and good weather the entire time.

Now I have to try to remember where I left off on the engine build!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on November 20, 2021, 06:51:21 PM
Sounds like a very successful trip, Ron!
Glad you had fun and made it back safely.

Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on November 21, 2021, 11:51:29 PM
Easing back into the shop work, I installed a modified set of Bosch breaker points (vintage VW Type 1). The sprung arm is used almost as is, with just the mounting base cut off. The fixed half was cut and and re-soldered to fit. In the second photo you can see the 10-40 spark plug I bought from Steve Huck (miniaturesparkplugs.com). A well made little plug.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxR5HSMD/IMG-1609.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5yQN28PR/IMG-1610.jpg)

I need to make a trip to my favorite salvage yard and look for a hunk of something to make a flywheel or two out of. A cast iron caster wheel found there worked out well for my Grasshopper Beam engine, and would be about right for this one too.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on November 24, 2021, 02:03:43 AM
I was able to find several good flywheel candidates at the salvage yard. A couple were a little big for this project but came home for future use, along with another pair that are a bit smaller. Two are just right, and one of those got turned into the flywheel, along with a lot of nasty black dust.

I narrowed it up a bit, and made a steel bushing to fit the crankshaft. It already had three holes in the web, and nice, though faded, blue factory paint job. I like the look and will leave that alone. In the first picture you can see the second, un-machined one. The rim over hangs the hub on the inside, nicely hiding most of the somewhat bulky breaker point mechanism. Please ignore the crude and temporary wooden base!
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQX489Bm/IMG-1619.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pXFkkncN/IMG-1621.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on November 24, 2021, 11:07:02 AM
I can only agree that the 'New Flywheel' really look the part and period  :ThumbsUp:
A very nice match for the rest of the engine  :)
Are you going to try and match a similar paintjob on the rest ?

Per
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on November 24, 2021, 03:09:50 PM
Thank you, Per!
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Are you going to try and match a similar paint job on the rest ?
I might do that, just on the outside surfaces of the frames. Unless I get lazy and don't. I often have ideas about painting the engines that I don't carry out because I don't like painting much!

Some years ago I used what was called "Hammertone" spray paint on the suspension parts I fabricated for a Lotus 7 replica I was building. The color would match that blue pretty well. The "hammered" texture was fairly subtle and looked rather nice, but while I can still find that paint, I've never been able to find that color again. Maybe I'll look once more.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on November 24, 2021, 09:44:06 PM
I know the feeling about painting ....

Hamertone has been banned by the EU decades ago (nasty solvents / chemicals), so I haven't seen the 'Real Stuff' since my youth ....
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on November 27, 2021, 11:56:31 PM
One thing I enjoy at least as much as making parts from raw bar stock is re-purposing discarded “junk” into useful parts. Flywheels made from old cart/dolly/caster wheels are one example. A fuel tank made from an empty CO2 cartridge is another.

The cartridge was originally in a self-inflating PFD, or life vest. The rip cord wasn't pulled because I fell in, but only because I wanted to test the thing (honest!). That was 5 or six years ago, and the empty cartridge has been knocking around looking for work ever since.

I started by cutting off the end with the threaded nipple. A scrap bit of 12L14 was turned with a short step to fit into the now open bore, and drilled at the lower end for fuel delivery tube (a piece of 5/32 brass tubing). The top of the cartridge was drilled 3/8” near the opposite end to accept a filler neck. This is just a hardware store flanged bushing, also from the “left overs” drawer. Another bit of steel was turned to make a vented cap. This was heated to red and dunked in veggie oil for a "blacksmith's finish".

These various pieces were finally all soldered into place (except the cap), and a coat of grey primer/topcoat was applied.
An easy-peasy job to fill some time while I wait for the ignition coil I ordered to arrive.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MT4WbKpg/IMG-1626.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3Nv3L5yN/IMG-1629.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0z4273c/IMG-1631.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 09, 2021, 10:58:20 PM
I spent most of yesterday trying to start this thing, without much luck. Today though I made progress and finally got it running, although it still quits when it, rather than I, decides. There seems to be a very very fine line with the needle valve between not enough and too much fuel.

The "proof of operation" video below only captures about half of the actual run time, which was probably the longest so far. As I was getting ready to re-start it the exhaust valve spring retainer somehow slipped off the valve stem and went flying off to parts unknown, taking the valve spring with it. I have more springs, and can make another retainer easy enough, but AARRGGH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1WdZz6iGbU
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on December 10, 2021, 06:49:31 PM
Great to see it run - always includes satisfaction when it happens :ThumbsUp:

I do not know if it's a serious problem on an automatic inlet Valve - but looking at the video, it looks like quite a bit of gas is blown back out of the Carb ....
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Art K on December 11, 2021, 12:17:58 AM
It is good to see your engine run. It doesn't surprise me that Upshur's carb is so finicky. I built and used his single jet on my single. It would spin 5-6k with that carb, but as you opened the throttle you also had to turn open the jet. Then reverse it as you slowed down.
Art
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 11, 2021, 12:57:36 AM
Thanks Per! I don't know if that blow-back through the carb is just due to the very light spring pressure required to allow the intake valve to work properly, or if the valve itself needs to be lapped in better. Maybe both. At least I know that it's not a show-stopper as far as getting the engine to run goes, but probably is important to getting it to run its best.

Thanks Art! I agree, the throttle and the needle valve do not operate independently. Any movement of the throttle lever also turns the needle valve, unless I hold onto it.

Anyway, today was frustrating. I could never get it to run like yesterday, just pops and snorts and a few short bursts. I need to practice Per's Danish swear words, then try again tomorrow.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 11, 2021, 10:21:56 PM
I think I got it figured out.  :cartwheel:

The ignition timing was too far retarded. Now it's running more or less as I would expect. And with it running I could tweek the needle valve to get the mixture about right without all the guesswork. I also got smart this morning and pre-heated the top of the engine with the heat gun (it was in the mid 30's F here), which helped too. And put in a fresh Viton piston ring for good measure. But the timing seemed to be the real key. Should have thought to try that sooner! :hammerbash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAV9NYiZNrQ
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Hugh Currin on December 11, 2021, 11:26:45 PM
I like the engine. And it looks like you have it sorted. Congratulations.

I also noted above you silver soldered some 12L14. I know you can't weld 12L14 but never thought about brazing it. I googled and, as you've shown, it can be done. Thanks for this info.

Thanks for sharing the build.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 12, 2021, 01:07:13 AM
Thank you, Hugh!

Since they've now been demonstrated to work, I thought it might be useful to any future builders of this engine to post the few commercial components that I used.

Exhaust Valve Spring
McMaster-Carr Part #9657K651
Compression Spring, 0.625" Long, 0.240" OD, 0.204" ID
Wire Dia. 0.018”

Intake Valve Spring
McMaster-Carr Part #9657K644
Compression Spring, 0.625" Long, 0.180" OD, 0.152" ID
Wire Dia. 0.014”

Piston Ring (O-ring)
McMaster-Carr Part #8297T126
Hard Viton® Fluoroelastomer O-Ring, Chemical-Resistant, 1/16 Fractional Width, Dash Number 016

Spark Plug
#10-40
Steve's Miniature Spark Plugs
Steve Huck (www.miniaturesparkplugs.com)

The spark plug is a little beauty. Steve Huck is a very accomplished engine builder and a nice guy. I believe he's also a member of this forum.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on December 12, 2021, 01:13:39 AM
Great result  :praise2:

and simple solution  :cheers:
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 12, 2021, 01:57:00 AM
Thank you, Per! I think it was invoking "SATANS osse !!! " that made the difference!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on December 12, 2021, 05:28:48 AM
Congratulations, Ron!

The engine runs great, glad you got the timing figured out.  I had no doubt you'd get it running!

Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Don1966 on December 12, 2021, 05:30:58 AM
Awesome….. :ThumbsUp:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on December 12, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
I'm not sure that I would like to be known as the chap that spread the use of Danish profanity to the English speaking World .... but then again - that will most likely be Danish actors, TV shows, Movies etc. ....

That said - I'm glad it worked for you  :)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 12, 2021, 03:38:58 PM
Kim, Don, and Per - Thank you for your comments and support!

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I'm not sure that I would like to be known as the chap that spread the use of Danish profanity to the English speaking World
No, I can see that. But on the other hand, you did say that Danish teenagers mostly curse in English these days. So in a way it could be said that you are preserving Danish history, just as we do with some of our engines. ;)

All that's really left to do on the engine is to tidy it up and make it more purty. One side frame got painted while I was waiting for the ignition coil to arrive. Now it's raining (YAY!, we still badly need it), and since I only do spray paints outside the other side will have to wait a bit longer.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Art K on December 12, 2021, 11:27:35 PM
Ron,
When I first started my Upshur vertical for the first time I had a similar problem. It would only run about a thousand RPM, no matter what. I called my dad he listened to the symptoms and said, "its advanced to far retard it".Turns out it was three teeth off. It's ran great since till it needed an overhaul.
Art
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 12, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
Great story, Art. Your father has a good ear! :ThumbsUp:

Making a proper mounting base for the engine gave me a chance to spend quality time with some of my Great-Grandfather's hand tools. This is just a few. He made his living as a carpenter/cabinet maker, though the Disston rip saw was probably a post-retirement acquisition. Under the lid of the older of two toolboxes is a newspaper clipping about the Spanish-American war (1898). I'm quite privileged to have them, I think. I like to think that he'd be happy they are still used and cared for.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fbwGQmnS/IMG_1655.jpg)

The base is from a remnant piece of 4/4 rough milled Maple plank I originally bought from a hardwoods mill in Pennsylvania. I love the finish a sharp hand plane puts on a close grained hardwood, at least along the grain. No sanding required. Putting some varnish on it will have to wait until it warms up a bit here, too cold and wet right now.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRZzk3QD/IMG_1657.jpg)

I also got the condenser tucked in behind the flywheel with the points. I just fits.

(https://i.postimg.cc/ydx2kKNV/IMG_1658.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRQ2NQ96/IMG_1659.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Admiral_dk on December 13, 2021, 01:29:48 AM
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No, I can see that. But on the other hand, you did say that Danish teenagers mostly curse in English these days. So in a way it could be said that you are preserving Danish history, just as we do with some of our engines. ;)

 :lolb:   :lolb:    OK - I will try and use that as my excuse  :cheers:

So now you only have the finishing touches left, eh ...!
Will it be a box with the electrics hidden below ?
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 13, 2021, 02:32:36 AM
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Will it be a box with the electrics hidden below ?
No, just a solid base, in keeping with my usual KISS approach. The points and condenser are mounted on the engine, but I see no reason for the coil and battery to be attached.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on December 13, 2021, 04:44:46 AM
Those are some very nice tools!  I'm sure they are a pleasure to use, and the fact that they were your great-grandfathers makes them even more special to use!
Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 15, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
Yesterday was just sunny enough to finish up the paint and varnish chores. Still cold though, so I let things dry in the house. Even so, the varnish took at least 8 hours to stop feeling tacky. The frame paint is what VW in 1967 called Zephyr Blue. That dried fairly quickly, and neither it nor the varnish stunk up the house. At least my wife didn't mention anything!

Here are a last few glamour shots to wrap this build up with. The first one has the flywheel removed to give a better view of the points/condenser arrangement. Please ignore the fact that I forgot to repaint the fuel tank!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dyn8ghD3/IMG-1665.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jdcC390w/IMG-1666.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ht3vcdGK/IMG-1667.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CxK53NSv/IMG-1672.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Kim on December 15, 2021, 07:38:21 PM
Nice base Ron!  Like the clear finish.  And the light blue - very subtle!
Kim
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: joe d on December 15, 2021, 08:53:49 PM
That sure came out nice, Ron!  It would fit under the rear hood of a VW quite nicely :ROFL:

Joe
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 15, 2021, 09:30:11 PM
Thanks Kim!

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It would fit under the rear hood of a VW quite nicely
Great idea, Joe!

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8NXz8GJ/IMG-1673.jpg)
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Art K on December 16, 2021, 12:12:16 PM
Nice pose there Ron. I had a 68 and my brother had a 66 beetle. Always liked the idea of a 2180 monster in it. Never happened.
Art
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 16, 2021, 03:12:50 PM
Thanks Art! That one is a 1776, built from almost all new parts. Approximately 2x the HP of the original. I did keep the fan and fan shroud from the engine the car was born with. That engine currently lives under my lathe stand.

I enjoyed that engine assembly project so much that it was fairly soon after that I bought the Taig lathe. Cheaper and even more fun to make my own parts, even if they are smaller.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: sid pileski on December 16, 2021, 04:37:19 PM
Nice job!

What's next??

Sid
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 16, 2021, 08:56:28 PM
Thanks Sid!

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What's next??
Good question. At this point I haven't decided, but I have three leading candidates.

1) The Hoglet, Randall Cox's 45degree V-twin. Looks fun, but as designed uses two 4"OD x 3"ID bronze rings in the flywheel/crankshaft construction. Checking the price of bronze tube led me to discard that idea out of hand. Even using steel would be spendy.  I'm noodling on substituting aluminum rings for the bronze, with an added "outboard" flywheel to make up for the lost inertial mass.

2) An open-crankcase inline twin based on the Upshur T-Head engine that I'm calling the Twin-MUTHE (Modified Upshur T- Head Engine). Alternatively, I could call it the Twin-DUHCs (Double UnderHead Cams), which is catchier but doesn't give due credit to Mr. Upshur.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NGyM6fWp/Twin_MUTHE_open_case.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MZhGdJwx/Twin_MUTHE_open_case-2.jpg).

3) The Howell "Super" Stirling Engine Fan. This could be a fun change of pace and I've wanted to do a Stirling eventually. It would also be nominally "useful"!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Dave Otto on December 17, 2021, 01:22:41 AM
Thanks Kim!

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It would fit under the rear hood of a VW quite nicely
Great idea, Joe!

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8NXz8GJ/IMG-1673.jpg)

Yup, lay it down and add 3 more cylinders.  :)
You don't often see a vacuum advance distributor on a built VW engine. Attached is the engine on one of my pride and joys, sold a number of years ago. This was a 1700cc engine that got 30+ mpg on the road.

Dave
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 17, 2021, 03:00:50 PM
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You don't often see a vacuum advance distributor on a built VW engine.
That's a Pertronix electronic ignition distributor that includes both vacuum and centrifugal advance (and an adjustable rev limiter). That's the only concession to modern electronics I allowed on the car. Yours looks really nice, bet you miss it!
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Dave Otto on December 17, 2021, 04:42:34 PM
Lots of things have changed technology- wise since I got out of the VW hobby 20+ years ago, we still have one VW, my wife's 2021 Passat R line; its a pretty nice car. I do still machine cases and heads to support the the local VW community.
If you are interested in building a hot air fan, another choice might be the Moriya from James Senft plans. I have attached a photo of the one I built, it is a great runner.

Dave
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 18, 2021, 12:45:42 AM
Thanks Dave. That's one great looking fan! :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: Dave Otto on December 18, 2021, 01:24:31 AM
Thanks Dave. That's one great looking fan! :ThumbsUp:

Thank you.

Dave
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: mikehinz on December 29, 2021, 01:05:00 AM
Ron, for whatever reason, the forum software has stopped giving me notices of when threads are updated, hence my very late reply to this thread.  I'm so sorry about that.

So, congratulations!  You have a nicely running engine and I think it looks very good!  It's no small accomplishment to gt an I/C engine built and an even bigger accomplishment to get it to run well!!

So again, congratulations and great work!

Mike
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on December 29, 2021, 03:26:41 AM
No worries Mike, and thank you very much. It was fun doing our respective builds somewhat in parallel, even though it was entirely coincidental.
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: IanM on March 26, 2022, 08:21:57 PM
I am not sure if this is exactly the right place to post but I have built a single/vertical Upshur engine and (a) its the second ICE engine I have built and (b) its the first one that has run!  I am very very happy that I finally coaxed it into life and have used the experience of others incl on this forum to work out how to do it. The coup de grace was using a buzz coil ignition and that made life so much easier in the end. Its not the prettiest engine ever built and I have carb and cleanup work to do but its a big step in my world.... Ian
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on March 26, 2022, 11:15:24 PM
Hello Ian. Congratulations on getting your Upshur running!  :cheers:

We'd all be interested in seeing the work you've done.  Maybe you'd like to consider posting some pictures and even a video of it in the Showcase section? What do you think your next project will be?
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: IanM on May 16, 2022, 01:27:01 PM
I have very much enjoyed picking up tips and hints on this forum, especially on engines like the Upshur variants. I have managed to create a vertical engine variant with enclosed crankcase and get it to run tolerably well. I learned a lot about better/versus worse carburettor design, getting the valves to seal, making a durable cylinder head gasket, making two fabricated cranks (V1 slipped), making the timing gears and getting the shaftline centre distances correct for camshaft (had to do that twice), and then succeeding with an electronic ignition (having first tried a buzzcoil with some temporary success). Emissions were appalling but are now much better and engine can run smoothly at quite low revs. Not the prettiest engine but it gives me the encouragement now to make a second 'neater'version.

Not sure if I have posted this in the correct place - feel free to advise me on correct location if I have got it wrong.

Ian M
Title: Re: An Upshur Farm Engine
Post by: RReid on May 16, 2022, 03:43:18 PM
Hi Ian. Sounds like you've been busy experimenting and refining to get your engine running well.  :ThumbsUp:

The best way to post about your own work is to start a New Topic under the appropriate category for the information you want to share. For example, to post more details/pictures/videos of your finished Upshur, you might go to The Showcase - Engines. Once there you would see a button called New Topic. Click that, fill in the info, and you're off. If you need help figuring out how to post pictures or videos just ask, it's easy once you know how but many of us needed a bit of help to get started.
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