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Offline gbritnell

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Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« on: July 11, 2026, 05:14:53 am »
I've always had a fascination with gears. I think most machinists feel the same way. The engines that I have built over the years whether hit and miss single cylinder or V-8's generally only require a several gears, two for the crank to cam drive and maybe a couple for a distributor drive. These are generally of the spur gear type which can be made quite easily in the home shop. If miters are required they can be made in the shop or purchase through many outlets. Generally if someone designs an engine that requires helical gears they will specify what is needed and where they can be purchased.

Several years back I built a couple of functional 1/3 scale transmissions, the first being a Borg-Warner T-5 and after that an early 50's Ford 3 speed that waa used in the passenger cars. Although the full sized BW has helical gears I hadn't got to that point in my machining career.

When I got into 3D printing I printed objects that could be found on one of the many sites that offer free .stl files or at a reasonble price considering the amount of work it takes to make a comples model.
As with my metal models I was soon bored just printing someone else's handiwork so I started printing models from the 3D models that I had made from my own metal designs.

The first transmission that I printed was a ¼ scale version the BW transmission that I had built. As you know you can only print things so small and have them operate effectively. The BW has all the gears and on the cut-away version you can slide the gears into their operating positions by hand. There's no way to make the required links and levers in ¼ scale and have them workable.

The next printed transmission project was a 1/3 functional replica of the Ford model T transmission although in all honesty it does have some metal parts. Even with the larger scale extruded plastic just isn't strong enough to take any abuse.

At his point I was kind of hooked on transmissions, why, because they have gear in them so the next one on the agenda was the Ford 3 speed, circa 1939. This is what they refer to as a top-loader, meaning the gears are assembled in the case through the top of the transmission. I gathered pictures from the internet an searched for specific dimensions to start making my drawings. These transmissions were the precursor to the transmissions that were used all the way up into the 50's so with that in mind I used the internal gears and shaft dimensions from the drawings I had made for the metal model of the early 50's transmission.

Creating the gears was quite an easy task. I wish it was that easy to make the metal ones. In my searchings when learning about helical gears I discovered a website called 'The Engineers Edge'. They have information and spread sheets for numerous engineering parts, from screw threads to helical gears. All you have to know to develop a helical gear set is the shaft center distance and the diametral or module pitch. You enter a set of numbers for the DP/Module and something close to the ratio/tooth count you require and it gives you the calculated shaft center distance. If it's greater than what you need you drop a tooth on one of the gears and see how that changes the center distance. Once you're close to the center distance and ratio you need you start tweaking the helical angle and you can come up with almost a perfect center distance. So now you have DP/Module, tooth count and helix angle you go, in my case, to Soliworks and open up the gear toolbox. You create a gear with your numbers and it produces a model for you. You can then alter that model by adding splines or whatever you need. I can't attest that the gears models are 100% accurate but all of the gears I have printed mesh almost perfectly without any massaging. Even at this reduced scale.
I printed up 2 versions. One with the fully enclosed case and one cut-away version. Following are the Youtube links to the videos I made of making, assembly and operating the transmission.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGk3CXrEZDg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGk3CXrEZDg</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AjWN63xks" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AjWN63xks</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4LZAt1g3rc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4LZAt1g3rc</a>
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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2026, 05:36:23 am »
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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2026, 07:33:35 am »
That is very cool, nicely done  :popcorn: :ThumbsUp:
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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2026, 03:56:47 pm »
That is really cool, George!  Very nice work on the transmission and on the videos!  :popcorn: :popcorn:

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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2026, 07:44:42 pm »
Very well documented Video George :ThumbsUp:

I at some point wondered why you glued parts together ....
Then it dawned on me - that way you don't have the annoying task of cleaning all the support material away
- should have got that fact a bit faster  :facepalm:

The parts and Assembly looks Great  :praise2:

Per    :cheers:

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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2026, 09:53:45 am »
George, Thank you very much for sharing. By coincidence during the last few days I have been researching your work and the late Chuck Fellows' previous work on milling helical gear sets - as I need to make a set of 90 degree cross helical gears in bronze (for an unobtainable speedo drive on a 1954 Moto Morini motorcycle).  I couldn't find much left of Chuck's original posts (his photos and files are long gone) but your subsequent write up in 2019, with pictures and a link to a copy of Chuck's original pdf file completed the missing information. I should be able proceed to make the little milling fixture and cams as you did. I guess these days the required cams for this fixture could be 3D printed rather than fabricated? (Not something I have but I am wondering if that might work??).
On the subject of gear calculations I've recently found a hugely useful resource for gear design and manufacture. It's the free software called Filengrene.  (Nothing to do with me, and easy to find). There are you tube videos showing it's use, a few are in English others in French. Some articles of it's use also appeared in Model Engineer's Workshop magazine a couple of years ago, written by the guy that then produced the you tube videos of it. (He is not the developer of the software).
It's an incredibly powerful software for every type of gear design.  I have an old Sunderland gear planer (hobby use) and I find the software very useful to shift gear profiles, to eliminate tooth undercut and correct shaft centres, it saves me a lot of tricky calculations! My gear planer cuts a maximum helix angle of 45 degrees and the gears I require are  25 and 65 degrees, hence me looking into your previous work!
Nick

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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2026, 01:45:33 pm »
Funny you should! mention 3D printing the templates.  Chris Crueby and I talked about it and I tried it out. Works a treat! Over the course of making many helical gears I have amassed a whole box full of unusable brass templates,  unless of course you're going going to make that exact gear again.  I draw and print the template and then just chuck it out if desired. Unlike the gears that Chuck made i use my own home-made gear cutters. This way I don't have a 2-1/2 inch diameter cutter waiting to grab the part like when using an involute cutter. If you need any information on the subject just drop me a line.
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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2026, 04:53:42 pm »
George, thank you for your reply!
Just wondering if you may have published how you make your very small gear cutters for this particular set up anywhere?
I'm assuming the approximated Involute profile will be produced on the cutters using two buttons as per methods in the Model Engineer's book "Gears and Gear Cutting" by Ivan Law ?
Also, did you make a version of the Eureka machine (from the same book) for applying the clearance to your cutters, or do you achieve that by some other method?
Thanks in anticipation!
Nick
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Re: Ford 1939 3 speed top loading transmission 1/3 scale
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2026, 05:21:45 pm »
Hi Nick,
Sorry for taking so long to get back with you. I started a new thread in tooling section about helical gears so as not to clutter up this thread. If there's any more information you need just let me know.
George
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