Art, thank you again ! i will do that . forums are a great resource , people like you giving time to help others . i built two clocks , one wooden ( been running for four years ) and a brass gear mantle clock , its been running since February , within one minute in seven days . didn't know a thing about them . bought a book by Steven G Conover "building an american clock movement " . the book had drawings and instructions on how to do it . even with the book i needed advice online , as the book assumed the reader had a working knowledge of how a clock works ! i sure didn't !! im going to try and add a attachment , video of the clock . John ps have to work on the attachment , dont have on my computer , on the phone .