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ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« on: January 04, 2017, 09:18:52 AM »
So I have a nice bundle of ER32 collets, 20 in all but having them in their individual boxes is a bit fiddly. So after looking at the online costs for wooden trays which only held 18 units I thought about this 3d printer sitting there and crying out to be used.  Hmmm ... little trays of 4 Collets, 5 of them and I have my 20 collets covered.  I can also arrange them in my draws to suit better than a big single long one ala the wooden ones being sold.
First order of business was to mock up a design for a single collet and them move from there.

Pic #1: A hacked up version with minimal infill and high speed printing just to get it off the print bed fast.   Visual inspection looked promising.

Pic #2: And it fits.  Perhaps not as high as I would like, so next version will be 5mm taller which will hold a little more of the collet body while still having a good amount to grab a hold of.   Got to love the ability to model and modify this sort of thing until you are completely happy with the result.  :thumbup:
Then its on to making a version for holding four and mass producing a few of them.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 11:23:57 AM »
And you could make them in different colours to help find the ones you use most  :naughty:

These 3D printers are looking more interesting  :noidea:

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 09:49:50 AM »
And you could make them in different colours to help find the ones you use most  :naughty:

These 3D printers are looking more interesting  :noidea:

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They are a great way to mock up an idea before heading to making it in something more solid. Also if you are into your own casting I have seen some great write ups of using them to make forms.  It's a cool tech thats for sure but just another tool that has a place. I'm having some fun with my homegrown RepRap.  :cheers:
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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 12:15:59 PM »
You could add some form of keyway or dovetail to the sides then you could lock them all together like a jigsaw puzzle rather than have all the individual blocks moving about.

Myself I just drilled a few holes in some 6mm Melamine faced MDF to take my 21 metric and 5 imperial collets. Few spacers on te back and they drop in nicely.


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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 01:34:26 PM »
One of many different designs on Thingiverse ... http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:11141

Free for all, just give credit to the designer of whatever you print.

I have printed er16 and er32 ones.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 04:10:47 AM »
Not having a 3D printer I just sliced lengths of pvc water pipe, about 30mm inside dia by about 30mm long, and using plumbers pvc pipe adhesive stuck them all together.  I have a full set of metric collets + plus some duplicates and about 5 or 6 imperial ones, probably 30 in total.  This set up fits in a small and relatively cheap set of steel drawers from the local "Supercheap Auto", the collets actually sit on the soft plastic tray liner in the bottom of the drawer.  Problem solved!!
As I also have a set of ER11 collets, I used a similar process for keeping them neat and tidy.  Smaller plastic pipe obviously.
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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2017, 03:41:41 AM »
I made a collet holder, for my ER16 collets, out of some nice 3/4" birch plywood and had it in a drawer. Then, since I was using the collets so much, I beveled one edge and mounted it on chip shield for my lathe.




Now that said........I think it would be way cool to have a 3D printer to play with and make all kinds of neat holders and such! One of my neighbors just got one. Need to go check it out.................and also his home brew refrigerator that is out in his shop.  :DrinkPint:

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2017, 05:11:28 AM »
Not having a 3D printer I just sliced lengths of pvc water pipe, about 30mm inside dia by about 30mm long, and using plumbers pvc pipe adhesive stuck them all together.  I have a full set of metric collets + plus some duplicates and about 5 or 6 imperial ones, probably 30 in total.  This set up fits in a small and relatively cheap set of steel drawers from the local "Supercheap Auto", the collets actually sit on the soft plastic tray liner in the bottom of the drawer.  Problem solved!!
As I also have a set of ER11 collets, I used a similar process for keeping them neat and tidy.  Smaller plastic pipe obviously.
cheers
Bill
Nice solution Bill.  If I had the appropriate PVC pipe in stock I think I'd follow your solution. Very elegant.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 05:18:25 AM »
I made a collet holder, for my ER16 collets, out of some nice 3/4" birch plywood and had it in a drawer. Then, since I was using the collets so much, I beveled one edge and mounted it on chip shield for my lathe.




Now that said........I think it would be way cool to have a 3D printer to play with and make all kinds of neat holders and such! One of my neighbors just got one. Need to go check it out.................and also his home brew refrigerator that is out in his shop.  :DrinkPint:

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2017, 05:27:40 AM »
Not having a 3D printer I just sliced lengths of pvc water pipe, about 30mm inside dia by about 30mm long, and using plumbers pvc pipe adhesive stuck them all together.  I have a full set of metric collets + plus some duplicates and about 5 or 6 imperial ones, probably 30 in total.  This set up fits in a small and relatively cheap set of steel drawers from the local "Supercheap Auto", the collets actually sit on the soft plastic tray liner in the bottom of the drawer.  Problem solved!!
As I also have a set of ER11 collets, I used a similar process for keeping them neat and tidy.  Smaller plastic pipe obviously.
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Bill
Nice solution Bill.  If I had the appropriate PVC pipe in stock I think I'd follow your solution. Very elegant.

Cheers,
J.


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But you have a 3D printer. You could always print some PVC pipe!  :lolb:

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2017, 05:44:22 AM »

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But you have a 3D printer. You could always print some PVC pipe!  :lolb:

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At the moment the blasted printer is packing a sad and not holding hotend temps properly.  The PID is not handling the speeds I'm throwing at it for the larger print. Going to have to slow things down a bit.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2017, 05:57:57 AM »
I'll have some ER11 ones please  ;)

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2017, 09:46:30 AM »
While I fight with my printer here is the target I am looking to make. The idea is to be able to make blocks holding 4 collets that can all be placed in a drawer. I don't think I need to come up with a way to lock them all together at this point, but we shall see how we go.   There are many examples on thingieverse, the idea here was to (a) continue to extend my learning of Fusion 360 and (b) get a simple tray that I could modify as I saw fit.   With the parameters in this model tuning to, for example ER11 collets, should be pretty simple.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2017, 11:24:45 AM »
While I fight with my printer here is the target I am looking to make. The idea is to be able to make blocks holding 4 collets that can all be placed in a drawer. I don't think I need to come up with a way to lock them all together at this point, but we shall see how we go.   There are many examples on thingieverse, the idea here was to (a) continue to extend my learning of Fusion 360 and (b) get a simple tray that I could modify as I saw fit.   With the parameters in this model tuning to, for example ER11 collets, should be pretty simple.

Cheers,
J.

You are absolutely correct in using it to learn more about Fusion 360. That is mainly why I bought my printer, but it hasn't worked quite as advertised. I have drawn a few very simple things, but when I try to go for something more complicated I get so bogged down with it that I get fed up with the whole process. I have to admit it is just to cool to draw something,then  press a couple of buttons and print it!

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2017, 01:38:43 PM »
Similar to Jason, I made a holder for R8 collets from a sheet of nylon.  But I've been contemplating buying a 3D printer (among many other things   :headscratch:).

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 11:05:34 PM »
I seem to have temporarily won my battle with my printer and managed to get a four collet tray printed.  This took FOREVER to print as I put the fill density at 30%.   :facepalm:

What an idiot, way more plastic than needed and way more print time than should have been necessary.   :slap:

However it workout pretty well and is SOLID. Some tweaks I did to account for extrusion variation and a better angle for the collet taper seems to have worked well resulting in a good fit.

See attached pic.   It's very ORANGE.  Not going to lose this tray in a hurry.   :Jester:

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 12:07:11 AM »
Hi James,
 Yep you won't loose that in a hurry......unless Bruce comes to visit  :stir:

Now I wonder if I can get a 3D past the financial controller......

Talked to a guy Xmas day & he had a Stainless Steel steering wheel printed for his sons peddle car, saw a picture of it, next time I'll have to check out the real thing!

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2017, 12:33:15 AM »
Has anybody tried vacuum forming one?

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2017, 12:58:46 AM »
Nice holder James. For mine I used 2 outer layers and 10% fill. If I remember it took 2 1/2 hours, but it was larger. I'll find a pic tomorrow.

Edit In: I found the pic. This was the first use of PetG filament and you can see it was a bit stringy. I have since solved that problem and that filament works well now.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2017, 12:48:14 AM »
depending on the use a part I'm printing I use anything between 10% and 100%. For shed stuff that is going in drawers like your item I would use 10%. I have been looking at pattern making for aluminium casting and I think as its a one off with PLA I'll go for 5% which should hold ok and burn out ok as well. As my 3d drawing is crap and can't seem to grasp it I am going to print parts for a 3D scanner I found and try that. I bought the 2 lasers needed from China and just need the stepper motor and Arduino board to complete it but Xmas got in the way  :Lol:. I found the info on Thingiverse.
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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 01:10:30 PM »
Pete - I'm running 15% now and pushing the print speeds up to the upper limit my machine can handle.   Hopefully some more trays to show in the next day or so.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2017, 11:29:45 AM »
As my 3d drawing is crap and can't seem to grasp it I am going to print parts for a 3D scanner I found and try that. I bought the 2 lasers needed from China and just need the stepper motor and Arduino board to complete it but Xmas got in the way  :Lol:. I found the info on Thingiverse.
Pete

I have the files for the Atlas and a couple of others and I am just deciding which one to have a go at. I have seen varying results though so my hopes are not too high at this point.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2017, 09:38:20 AM »
A couple more pics.   I'm still doing simple trays as they are designed to live inside drawers and as the drawers have a rubber lining I really don't need to link the blocks together as friction is more than enough to stop them moving about.

Pic #1: Shows the general concept in the drawer.

Pic #2: Shows a 6 collet version.

The plan is to have 2 lots of 4 blocks and 2 six blocks (in orange).  This gives me storage for the 20 metric collets I have.  The single "purple" 4 block will be used for a few imperial collets I plan to get.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2017, 12:26:45 PM »
You could save yourself some material and printing time by hollowing out the underside, if you print them top side down there won't be any need for additional support.

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2017, 01:30:56 PM »
Hmmmmm ... why didn't I think of that? That's way too simple Jason, it couldn't possibly work :ROFL:

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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2017, 08:55:21 PM »
You could save yourself some material and printing time by hollowing out the underside, if you print them top side down there won't be any need for additional support.

Absolutely correct, for a tray sitting in a draw my current design is material expensive. In this instance I have a bunch of filament that is 3-4 years old that I am trying to chew up.  Its brittle and has a tendency to break half way through a print (or already has broken on the spool that become apparent during a print)  forcing  a filament change operation to be performed part through the printing process.  Once I get into fresh stocks where this issue no longer plagues things then your hollowed out approach would be a very smart move.

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2017, 10:11:45 AM »
Why not just ask Bruce or myself to carve one out of a nice tight grained piece of hardwood on one of the CNC machines?

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2017, 12:04:17 PM »
As my 3d drawing is crap and can't seem to grasp it I am going to print parts for a 3D scanner I found and try that. I bought the 2 lasers needed from China and just need the stepper motor and Arduino board to complete it but Xmas got in the way  :Lol:. I found the info on Thingiverse.
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Pete, which scanner are you going to do?

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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2017, 08:54:46 PM »
Why not just ask Bruce or myself to carve one out of a nice tight grained piece of hardwood on one of the CNC machines?

Murray.

Saving those favours up for stuff I really can't do myself.   :naughty:

And I had a tool looking for a problem.  :thinking:
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Re: ER32 Collet Tray in plastic
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2017, 04:33:12 AM »
Tom, my last post got lost in the ether so I'll try again. I'm tossing up between 3 but may try this one first.
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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2017, 09:34:48 AM »
The finished collet blocks.  They ended up working out pretty well.

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2017, 11:31:40 AM »
They look good Joco.

I have been playing a bit and managed to draw out a rudder support and a rudder for my large r/c tug boat I am building. The smaller bit gets embedded and fiber glassed into the hull. The tubes in the top and bottom are good push fits, and the metal parts in the rudder itself will be pinned as well so they will stay put.

I printed these at 85% fill so they should be strong and watertight, but they will also have several coats of primer and paint.

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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2017, 11:34:07 AM »
Tom, my last post got lost in the ether so I'll try again. I'm tossing up between 3 but may try this one first.
Pete

Thanks Pete ... I will have a look at this one. I tried to print the bits for the Atlas, but my printer didn't like the parts so I am still looking for one.

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