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Model deck gun
« on: August 09, 2012, 06:17:39 PM »
One tires of building model engines after a bit and I've always wanted to experiment with building model artillery - especially those of the WWI/WWII era. Sadly, plans for such are very difficult to find but, after raising a plea, Jim Hannum was kind enough to send along plans from a war era magazine. Many thanks to Jim for making this project possible.

The gun is a British quick-firing six pounder. Although historical details from the magazine article were sketchy, I would imagine that this is the sort of gun that would have been used on the British Q-ships against submarines or unarmored merchant ships.

The barrel is made from a recycled .22 rifle barrel. A working interrupted screw thread, lever-operated breech action is fitted. This incorporates a removable firing pin (for safety at shows and around inquisitive children), which, when not fitted to the gun, is hidden in the dummy shell shown in the photos.

Elevation and traverse are via worm wheels actuated by the hand wheels. These drive an elevation gear and miter gears hidden in the hollow base. The recoil mechanism is fully operable.

The aimer's (elevation) sight is operable and has a range scale and working adjusting screw. The trainer's (azimuth) sight wasn't specified in the article so I winged it with a design of my own. Both sights incorporate tiny telescopes which have (plastic) objective lenses.

It's chambered for .22LR and has fired a few rounds successfully.

It was a fun project to build despite, working at typical hobbyist rate interrupted by many honey-dos, taking a whole summer. I hope to be able to get plans for some more artillery - especially a German 88 and maybe some quad mount AA as were used on Navy warships.







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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2012, 06:57:48 PM »
Nice looking model Marv!

Where would one find the plans to build one... Do you remember the name of the magazine that had the article?

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2012, 07:20:55 PM »

That's a really beautiful piece for sure.

I too have really wanted to build one since seeing yours some time ago.

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 08:52:17 PM »
Beautiful work. How big is it Marv?  How was the finish achieved?

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 11:06:35 PM »
I came across this post at work but couldn't see the picture (IT restrictions).
I couldn't wait to get home.
Nice!
Very nice.

Don't you have a model of an 88 on your site? You should post it here too.
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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 11:48:14 PM »
Hi Marv

if you want plans for the German 88 I have full plans available from an excellent book on the development & application of this important WWII piece.

contact me direct and I will arrange to get them to you.

by the way, excellent model and indeed a great diversion from engines.

have fun & stay cool
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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 11:53:43 PM »
Eric,

The plans, by S. A. Walter, were in the March, 1945 edition of The Model Craftsman.

Woodguy,

The barrel is about ten inches long.  OAL of the model is about fourteen inches.  The finish is the natural steel burnished with green Scotchbrite and a teensy bit of oil.

Carl,

No pictures of an 88 on my site, sadly.
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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 12:14:52 AM »
Real nice Marv.  Can you adjust the elevation enough to shoot a squirell out of a tree? ;D

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 12:33:53 AM »
Marv, thanks for reposting this. here. I remember seeing it either on HMEM or SCHSM and its as stunning now as it was when I first saw it!!!

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 12:47:15 AM »
It's stunning, Marv.  Absolutely beautiful!


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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 08:11:01 AM »
Now that's what I call a bang up job.

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 08:53:12 AM »
A beautiful working model Marv.   :whoohoo:

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 09:45:15 AM »
I have bought a (nicely detailed, btw, hundreds of parts..) plastic kit of a German 88 with the intentions of drawing plans from them to reproduce it into brass and aluminium.
Never got further than a couple of sheets, nor I ever assembled all those parts into a model and, TTTT, I don't think any of the tasks has hopes into seeing completion in the future.
Should You make a build thread about it, I will take a permanent seat in the first row, sure.

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not a production job that can be measured in.

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 09:49:22 AM »
(forgot to say...)

wonderful work, and it fires, too!!
Love it.

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 10:20:44 AM »
I remember this little beasty Marv!   NICE!

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2012, 12:05:08 PM »
Hi Marv,
I admired your work on this gun when I first saw it and still do. You are absolutely correct about taking a break from engines once in awhile that's why I have models of pistols, rifles, governors etc.
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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2012, 02:02:21 AM »
Just a warning about this type of model, check your local firearms regulations. Due to the barrel length the model showing would be classified as a handgun and there for a restricted weapon in Canada. I have seen a similar one made from a .303  Lee Enfield where the barrel length was kept over 18" and there fore still classified as a rifle.
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Restricted Firearms classification on one of the above.
Plus they must be renewed every five years
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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2012, 09:53:42 AM »
Very nice Marv, sadly we aren't permitted to own stuff like that over here, not working ones anyway without some sort of firearms certificate.

I've long thought I'd like to build a model of a muzzle loader, perhaps a Dahlgren from the 1860's. If it had an open touch hole though I'd need a shotgun licence to own it.  :(

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2012, 06:51:32 PM »
Marv, that is fantastic .... especially impressive to me as I work with 'modern' versions of its full size relatives! I wish I had the skills to make something similar ... maybe one day!

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2012, 07:17:41 PM »
On another site, I have already praised Marv for the quality of his workmanship on this wonderful piece of armament.

I know that a lot of members come from countries that allow firearms amongst the general population, and BEFORE it starts to get mentioned on here, I must remind everyone that this is a site based in the UK where firearms and knives are NOT allowed as it is in other countries, and I would like to remind everyone not to mention them or the making or using of such things on here.

Marv's post is fine, but that is about the maximum limits we need to go with it on here. So if you ever make one like Marvs, then show it as Marv has done, but any other weapons, then could you please refrain from showing anything about them.

I am sure that there are other websites that specialise in that sort of thing.

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2012, 01:29:17 PM »
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One tires of building model engines after a bit and I've always wanted to experiment with building model artillery - especially those of the WWI/WWII era. Sadly, plans for such are very difficult to find but, after raising a plea, Jim Hannum was kind enough to send along plans from a war era magazine. Many thanks to Jim for making this project possible.

One excellent source for accurate WWII British naval armament drawings is http://www.feralchicken.co.uk/lambert-plans/. His drawings are from original B.R. manuals and manufacturers drawings. His drawings are featured in many articles and books including the stellar Naval Weapons of World War II. HNSA.org has operation manuals for many of US naval armaments of WWII.

I have long dreamt of building small models of some of these, not firing of course. Perhaps actions cycling with compressed air though, would be a good challenge. My interest started when my dad built a model of HMCS Athabaskan for the Canadian War Museum. We have HMCS Haida nearby so getting measured details for some artillery is not too difficult.

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Model deck gun
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2013, 09:24:54 PM »
Fantastic model! Having a big interest in military ordnance I'd love to be able to make a model like this at some point in the future.

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Re: Model deck gun
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2013, 09:35:44 PM »
Marv

Wonderfull work.
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