Author Topic: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around  (Read 54442 times)

Offline Bobsmodels

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Re: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around
« Reply #165 on: April 26, 2015, 09:18:11 PM »
Mike

Yes it was I got it at a NAMES show a number of years ago.  You can get them at McMaster I think or here

http://contenti.com/hard-ceramic-soldering-board

Bob

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Re: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around
« Reply #166 on: April 27, 2015, 12:37:35 AM »
I really like the dual color paint scheme Bob. And I have to agree, the Foredom polisher is a great little tool!!

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Re: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around
« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2015, 12:48:05 AM »
Bob, quietly following along. Great work and documentation. The grill block displacer is a clever approach to reducing mass and probably helps the heat transfer/running. Your pump turned out very well also. I restored one of these full sized engines many years ago starting with the base, cylinder and water pump so these engines have a special appeal to me. Again, many thanks for sharing the build. Paul

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Re: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around
« Reply #168 on: April 27, 2015, 12:50:02 AM »
Beautiful work Bob!

I really like the tile base and how you integrated the base into the storage box.  Can you give us some details on the tile and grout?

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Re: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around
« Reply #169 on: April 27, 2015, 04:39:51 PM »
Dave

Originally I was going to use linoleum but thought the tiles would look better.  It took me awhile to find some I liked and were about to scale.  They were from Lowes.  You can pull up the PDF drawings file and see a cross section and tile layout.  I arranged them so I only had to cut tiles in half.  I put the mounting studs in the sub base floor.  I cut a hole under the furnace because I might want to try a alcohol burner and was going to need some depth.  I put a plug in it and covered it with insulation.  I glued the tiles down with construction adhesive.  The grout was just some I had left over from a project.  I made sure the base was varnished and sealed well so the grout would not get in.  I also taped it off.   It was then just a matter of cleaning it off until it looked nice.  It added more weight than I had anticipated but it looks nice since the recessed grout gives depth to the floor.  I  put in a 3D PDF so you can look at the base and top from all angles.  Just click on the screen and use right key to rotate, both to move around and wheel to make larger/smaller  - all depends on your mouse.

Bob

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Re: Rider-Ericsson 1/4 scale 2nd Time Around
« Reply #170 on: April 27, 2015, 09:34:08 PM »
Engine Almost Done Off To NAMES

The engine was completed to this point so I could take it NAMES.  The plumbing is not yet complete.   I finished it  3pm on Wed and left the next day for NAMES.  I had run it once unpainted with an alcohol burner for about 20 minutes just to make sure it would work.  I ran it for about 10 min after it was ready to go again just before packing it up to make sure it would at least start and go.  So the NAMES show was the first trial runs.  In keeping with my original objective on page 1 of the thread of sharing everything ie mistakes, success, and not so success this post gives an overview of how well all my modifications came out during its first outing.
The key testing for me was the burner operation and how well the heat was contained and focused onto the Displacer end cap which I made of copper.  Secondary testing was pump operation, linkages, piston sealing as I used graphite string, and that nothing worked its way loose.   Unfortunately I got so caught up in  running the engine I forgot to shoot a video at NAMES, actually I only took one picture of my setup!

Heat System Results

The regulator was purchased at http://contenti.com/gentec-preset-tank-regulators. It says preset but I was able to adjust it. I will be experimenting more with it and will be reporting later. My gauge only read from about 2# to 30#. The burner worked effectively from the 2# all the way to 15# before it started to jump off the ceramic. At startup I took it up to 15# and it would take off in about 90 seconds. I then turned it way down. It ran nice and smooth at the 2 - 3 # range. I need a gauge that reads to tenths of a pound in order to see just how well the regulator works. Brad Smith lent me his regulator with a tenths reading gauge. He runs his at about .2# pressure. Using his regulator setup the engine ran nice at .8 to .9# pressure. When I used his gauge is when I discovered that I had not set up the orifice as he did. Brad did not understand why I had to restrict the air flow around the inlet. He runs his wide open mine is almost 95% closed.  As you may recall from the burner post I used a cutoff burner torch for my burner feed parts and made the burner small ie .700 diameter.  When I made my burner I misunderstood Brad when he told me to drill through or remove the screen.  I thought he meant the burner guts at the top and not the orifice.  So my burner used  the propane orifice as it came with the torch - no modifications.  I also insulated my furnace with .06 asbestos sheet on its walls (see pictures posted earlier) and the gasket between the engine base and the  displacer cylinder was of the same material.  The asbestos sheet extended beyond the displacer flange to cover the top of the furnace.  My entire objective was to keep the heat in the furnace not on the upper part of the engine.  To that end the bottom of my Stainless Steel Displacer Cylinder is capped with copper not Stainless.  The heat needs to go into the cylinder  not up to the base.  This method was suggested by Brad Smith.
The bottom line is the engine ran nice and slow - about 80 to 100 RPM by my watch. It ran the whole day and you could put your hand at the base of the cylinder and just leave it there to there was very little heat transferring up from the furnace. The water never got hot just very slightly warm if anything, I did not have a thermometer to test it. You could put your finger on the furnace and it would not burn you but it was hot, you could leave it there for a bit. 

Next Heat System Experiments

My next steps are to change out the orifice.  I have the one from McMaster Karr with a .010 orifice.  I need to figure out an adaptor to put it in the current unit.   Next I will take another orifice from another burner and drill out the hole to the #80 and try it.  I am also going to get a gauge that reads to tenths - ie a 10#.  I should then be able to test out the regulator as well as the different orifices.
The  Burner post on page 11 has a PDF with design info on  the burner as well as Sandy’s drawings.

Rest of Engine Results

As noted above the engine ran just fine.  There were no loose bolts , no squeaking or binding I could sense.  The piston stayed sealed fine.  There is some play in the crank bolt the two links connected to it move a bit.  It seems to make definite clank you can hear in the video.  If I put my finger on the two links 80% of the clank goes away.   I will make a new Crank bolt to see if I can eliminate it or maybe just try some shims.  I used silicone oil in the cylinder and down the Displacer piston rod.  I used this so there would be no carbon build up of burnt oil at the bottom of the Displacer Cylinder.  This would of course reduce heat transfer.  I was told I could use Mobil 1 or Marvel  Mystery Oil and get the same results.  I will likely change.  I used 5W hydraulic oil on all the bearings.  Given they are oilite I was just trying to get them a bit recharged.

Next Engine Build Steps

I need to make the air hammers,  stack top, and a tank, along with associated final plumbing.  I am going to work on these first as the heating system I have does work for any display setup in the upcoming months.

Bob

Here is a video

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exFRKxQLeFM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exFRKxQLeFM</a>





 

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