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Offline bobh

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3D cad learning
« on: March 27, 2026, 07:10:51 PM »
I’m having a terrible time learning Alibre CAD and I’m thinking I need a very simple CAD program to learn the work flow and thought process of 3D work. I have 2 strikes against me, 20 years of autocad 2D habits to overcome and I’m 64 so learning is quite a bit harder. I’d like to use my MAC to learn on. Anyone have any suggestions? Bob.  :wallbang: :help:

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2026, 07:15:18 PM »
There are at least a few of us here that use Alibre, what are you struggling with, maybe we can help?
Have you gone through any of the tutorials?

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2026, 08:23:33 PM »
Ask away here or on ME forum as there are quite a few of us there who use it and one of the Alibre staff is on hand to help too.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2026, 09:02:12 PM »
I learned Solidworks in 2012, and I was a long-time 2D Autocad user.
I thought that since I knew Autocad so well, then learning 3D modeling would be much easier.
Boy was I wrong.

I struggled with SW for I guess a year.
One problem was that there were no tutorials for designing model engines, and so no good examples that were close to what I needed to do.

Another problem was coming up with some sort of algorithm in my head as far as what it was I was suppose to be doing, and how I was suppose to be doing it.
Drawing with pencil and paper is easy.
Drawing on a computer in 2D mimics what is done with pencil and paper.
Modeling something in 3D has some unique analogies.

I will start a tutorial here, for those who want to learn 3D modeling.
During the year when I was trying to learn 3D modeling, I gave up in total frustration over and over again.
The curse words flowed profusely from my mouth like lava from an highly active volcano.

Bottom line; I never thought I would be able to learn 3D modeling.
Then I thought that if I did learn it, I would never be able to create a model of any significant complexity.
And I thought I was too old for learning new stuff.
I was wrong on every account.

Looking back, the endless options are what make it so complex.
In reality, I use about 5 general commands, over and over again, and I wonder what all the fuss was about.

I will try to start a tutorial tonight, and post it here.
I think you will find it much easier once you know the basic concepts.

Here is my latest 3D model.
Not that difficult to make this model, except for the window in the water hopper, that has been resisting completion.

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2026, 07:19:16 AM »
Pat, will that be just using the one program or your rather unique method of mixing two programs?

Your method is not how Alibre like many other programs are intended to be used so could end up confusing Bob more rather than helping.

Bob it would help to know if you are using the slightly stripped down Atom as that does not have all thefeatures so answers need to be tailored to that or the more advanced Pro or Expert options and also what version.

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2026, 09:37:55 AM »
A GREAT place to start / find help and tricks are here :

https://www.youtube.com/@AlibreLLC

There is a complete Beginners course there - starting with the very basics (have a look under Videos) and if you start with #1 it should automatically continue with #2 etc.

I had Alibre for close to 18 years and still learned quite a lot doing that last year  ;)
The follow ups are even better - both those showing how to use new functions in new versions and those showing how to do things smarter ....

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2026, 10:01:26 AM »
Be careful, the beginners coarse uses pro/expert features. If you are using the cheaper Atom then look though the playlists for the one specifically for Atom as that bases the tutorial on the screen you have and only uses the tools that you have.

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2026, 02:46:19 PM »
Bob,
I also use Alibre and have since I bought a Tormach mill in 2007. It came with Alibre & SprutCam, I still use both.  You might want to check out the Alibre forum. I have found it helpful when I get stuck. I did take some cad/cam classes at the local technical college which used master cam. That will introduce some of the ideas and how to do things. I still struggle with both but usually find a way to do what I need.
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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2026, 10:27:17 PM »
If you want to do 3D cad on a  MAC, try Onshape.
I’m having a terrible time learning Alibre CAD and I’m thinking I need a very simple CAD program to learn the work flow and thought process of 3D work. I have 2 strikes against me, 20 years of autocad 2D habits to overcome and I’m 64 so learning is quite a bit harder. I’d like to use my MAC to learn on. Anyone have any suggestions? Bob.  :wallbang: :help:

Bob, if you want to learn 3D cad using a MAC, try Onshape. It is not simpler than Alibre, the concepts are essentially the same, and there are lots of ways of finding help and instruction. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2026, 01:08:11 PM »
I'm still here but having the grand kids over while my daughter gets eye surgery is not conductive to learning. I have the full version of Alibre and you have talked me into giving it another try. Maybe I can identify specific problems and ask for help. Thanks everyone. Bob.

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2026, 05:12:09 PM »
I’m having a terrible time learning Alibre CAD and I’m thinking I need a very simple CAD program to learn the work flow and thought process of 3D work. I have 2 strikes against me, 20 years of autocad 2D habits to overcome and I’m 64 so learning is quite a bit harder. I’d like to use my MAC to learn on. Anyone have any suggestions? Bob.  :wallbang: :help:

Just a thought on your original post. If you wanted to try something 'simple' why not have a look at Solvespace or Dune3D? Both are free 3D parametric CAD programs with far less intimidating interfaces (and bells and whistles) than the big boys. The basics you learn there will still be applicable if you decide to persevere with Alibre.

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2026, 06:58:22 PM »
I took started on a drawing board and learned to do 3d projected views the hard way with dividers and trace lines.  Then learned (somewhat) how to use AutoCad.  Then fiddled with IronCad a bit.  Then learned SolidWorks and liked it...mostly.  Then learned AutoDesk Inventor, and used that for the last 20-some years.  All of them suck a bit, in different ways.  And all of the big ones use a subscription model, which is annoying when you have grown up owning things, not renting them.

As a now retired engineer, but wanting to generate 3d models for printing and possibly for consulting, I took advice from this forum and picked up a perpetual license of Alibre (they have a subscription plan too, but still let people like me just buy the single latest version).  I like it, it does enough of what I want, and struggles with the same things that other solid modelling programs do - mainly intersections of tapered/curved surfaces and fillets on multiple joined surfaces.  There are ways to work through those issues, usually by re-ordering the model "tree" (what feature gets built ahead of what other feature).

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2026, 10:26:45 PM »
Bob - I might be missing something here, but you said you wanted to learn Alibre - but do it on your Mac.

I thought Alibre was only available for Windows?  Whenever I have looked, Windows was the only download available?

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2026, 07:05:00 AM »
It can be made to run on a mac but not directly it needs something like Parallels & a Windows licence

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2026, 08:07:09 AM »
As well as working on a MAC, Onshape is similar to SolidWorks, being developed by former members of the SolidWorks team. It does complex shapes and awkward fillets pretty well. But you can't use the free plan for commercial purposes.

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2026, 12:53:20 PM »
Chris, Alibre is installed on the only windows box i have which is in the office. That's part of the problem. All the other computers are MACs. It's much more enticing to work on a lesson when sitting in the living room or kitchen and run some lesson or practice with a program than go and spend more time sitting in the office. In the end I do want to use Alibre but I feel like Im starting in high school without going through the lower grades first. I started watching the lessons again but watching without doing the lesson work myself it doesn't seem to stick. The general feeling seems to be keep plugging along with Alibre and hope some small lights come on and then combine into the big bulb when I get it. Thank's for the inspiration and support, it really means a lot. Bob

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2026, 02:56:14 PM »
One approach may be to create a simple shape in Alibre, and write down the steps.
Do that several times, until you don't have to reference what you wrote down previously.

Then expand what you are doing to something more complex.
Write that down.

Writing out the steps helped me learn 3D modeling.

There were points where I would get stuck for days with a problem, and could not make any further progress.
Getting away from 3D model learning was where I tended to start forgetting what I had previosly learned, and thus the reason for writing out your lessons as you learn them; you can quickly review what you have already studied, and come up to speed with what you have previously learned.

And you can post questions here about what may be causing difficulties/confusion.
Many here have been there, done that, exactly what you are experiencing.

I wrote out a simple tutorial (link below); perhaps it could help you with the general conceptualization.
The conceptualization of what I was trying to do with 3D modeling was the greatest difficulty I had.
Using 3D modeling is simple in my opinion, once you understand the concepts.

The initial conceptualization of how to use 3D modeling was not simple for me.
For me, learning 3D modeling without having some sort of game plan was like trying to travel across the country (US) on a road trip, but with no map, so you just wander around in circles.
One needs to get the map conceptualized so as to know where they are going.

https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,12821.0.html

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I recall when I was trying to learn 3D modeling, I would watch videos, and not have any concept of how the techniques in that video could be applied to what I was actually trying to build in 3D.
Watching videos for me was wasted time.

The point when I finally learned 3D modeling was when I defined an actual objective (Model a simple model engine), select some drawings, and model one part at a time.
I recall getting stuck trying to do simple things.
I would recommend asking questions when you get stuck, which is what I did with folks who had experience with Solidworks.
They can easily get your car out of the ditch and back on the road again, moving in the right direction.

Each part that I created used a sightly different approach, and a 3D model completed for each part, I gained practical experience, with a well defined objective (create 3D models for each engine part, and then create an assembly where all the various parts are assembled).
Once 3D models and assembly were created, then I could drag and drop those parts and assembly into a 2D sheet to create 2D drawings.

By selecting a simple engine design, and focusing on that, you build your kit of tools, and add more and more tools to your toolbox as you go.
This is what worked for me, because it had a defined starting and ending point, and a path that had to be followed to model the engine.
I modelled one simple engine, using somewhat crude 3D modeling methods, building one part at a time, and then making an assembly.
I then modelled that same engine again using better techniques, and that was a much more refined 3D design.
The next thing I modeled was a slightly more complex engine, and so on.
So I did not "learn 3D modeling" per se, but learned 3D engine building, and so indirectly learned 3D modeling.

Good luck.

There is an immense knowledge base of 3D design here on this forum, specifically oriented towards using 3D modeling to build engines.
There are quite a few folks who are willing to help.
I would take full advantage of that; it is a rare opportunity.
When I started learning 3D modeling in 2012, there were just a few on the hobby forums using 3D modeling, and Rob Wilson was the only individual I recall who offered help with learning 3D modeling (I am sure there were a few others).

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Re: 3D cad learning
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2026, 04:54:22 PM »
Chris, Alibre is installed on the only windows box i have which is in the office. That's part of the problem. All the other computers are MACs. It's much more enticing to work on a lesson when sitting in the living room or kitchen and run some lesson or practice with a program than go and spend more time sitting in the office. In the end I do want to use Alibre but I feel like Im starting in high school without going through the lower grades first. I started watching the lessons again but watching without doing the lesson work myself it doesn't seem to stick. The general feeling seems to be keep plugging along with Alibre and hope some small lights come on and then combine into the big bulb when I get it. Thank's for the inspiration and support, it really means a lot. Bob

Bob as I said it is possible to run Alibre on a Mac but not officially approved. Also allows you to be working on one machine while following a video or tutorial on another.

You can install Alibre on more than one device but can only run it on one at a time. Simple job to effectively sighn out on one machine and in on another when you want to change.

If you watch this playlist it accompanies the latest article in Model Engineer Mag and shows the basics of Atom to produce a nut and bolt. Robert speaks quite slowly unlike a lot of Youtubers and has his own business offering training for various CAD and scanning sofware as well as a 3D design service.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL0K5YcPFJGTFmNN9X0OhJ49JNMhYC95P

 

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