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Offline bobh

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Bill Harris roller boiler
« on: August 31, 2025, 10:24:03 PM »
I was lucky enough to get most of the parts for the Harris roller including all the castings and gears. The frame and rollers are done which brings us up to the elephant in the room, the boiler. I have the boiler parts ready to be welded but steel boilers have fallen out of favor. The question is do I throw caution to the wind and go with the steel boiler as designed or redesign for a copper boiler? Has anyone already done the design for a copper boiler so I don’t have to reinvent the wheel? I really am torn right now so your input will be greatly appreciated. Bob

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Re: Bill Harris roller boiler
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2025, 02:39:30 PM »
Hi Bob, just FYI some years ago I built the original steel boiler with copper tubes to the Bill Harris design. Worked out fine, the only issue I had was getting the tubes sealed in the tube plates. I should have snuck up on the hole diameter and done some reaming to get a smoother finish. I eventually did get them sealed after three sets of copper tubes and lots of annealing. I also made a miniature three roller tube expander as the rubber washer style tool in the Bill Harris book was not moving the low quality copper tube I had. (this new but bad copper was all I could get at local plumbing supply houses. It has since been replaced with 1950's era tube salvaged from a friend's old house reno. This old copper annealed to very soft condition and installed / sealed much easier than previous attempts with modern and less ductile copper tube.) The Bill Harris steel boiler design is very strong , it is over designed actually. Of course the welding of the steel parts has to be done by someone skilled in pressure vessel welding. I fitted Marty burners for propane in mine, and had some trouble getting good firing as the firebox is too short in height for that type of burner. I lowered and shortened the burners and eventually got them working OK. If I did another such boiler I would make the firebox 3/4" or 1" taller inside to permit better combustion when gas firing. I never tried mine with sterno fuel as the designer originally intended.

Whether to do a steel or an all copper boiler depends largely on the laws and the appropriate regulatory agency in your area. If you have a steam preservation organization or a live steam train club near you I would ask them about local regulations. If you are going to operate only on your own property you can build it any way you like. You might want to check if your homeowner insurance covers it, but I have found insurance companies really don't want to know about steam equipment, so don't be surprised if they say you are not covered if something bad ever happened involving a boiler you built. Hope these comments help. Good luck with your project.  :cheers:
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Re: Bill Harris roller boiler
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2025, 03:51:04 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Where on earth did you hide a propane tank on that thing??? Bob

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Re: Bill Harris roller boiler
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2025, 04:47:41 PM »
Hi Bob, I made a "water tender" 4 wheel wagon to tow behind the roller. had some cosmetic wood cladding around the propane cylinder. I used a blowtorch size cylinder to keep it small, which gave it quite a lot of run time, at least an hour depending on hot or medium fire.  :cheers:
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Re: Bill Harris roller boiler
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2025, 03:17:35 AM »
I built Bill’s roller a few years ago using his design as per the plan.
I had no problems with the tubes getting them to seal in the tube sheets.
I did used a three roller tool also.
I did fire it on sterno but found I had to cut the entire top off to get enough surface area of heat.
It runs fine.

Sid


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Re: Bill Harris roller boiler
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2025, 12:22:47 PM »
Thanks everyone. That's two votes for a 3 roller tube expander. Is there an article on building one hidden away somewhere? Bob

Offline sid pileski

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Re: Bill Harris roller boiler
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2025, 04:53:40 PM »
I borrowed one from a place that makes/repairs boilers.
They literally have been around for almost 140years.

Maybe you could find a similar shop around you??


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