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« Reply #165 on: June 02, 2025, 05:38:26 PM »
Things are Hobbing along...   Yesterdaay I showed the setup for hobbing the teeth on the worm wheel. Here is what pre-cutting the teeth looked like. I ran the table straight in to cut the teeth in the center of the blank, not running it left to right like cutting normal teeth, since all I wanted was a start to the teeth for the spinning tap to grab onto and spin the blank as it cut.

Then the actual hobbing. The rotary table was set down flat on the mill table again, and the involute cutter replaced with the Acme tap. The blank was put into the arbor set up for letting it spin freely but not move side/side, with some oil on its shaft to ensure it didn't grab. The cutter was set up so that it was in the middle of the blank, with the full teeth at the shank end of the tap in line with the center of the blank. Then, moved in the table so the teeth were started in the cuts, verified that by hand-spinning the mill spindle. This video shows what it looked like in near the start of the process. It takes a few seconds for the blank to make each rotation, so after every couple spins I moved the table in another 5 thou or so, gradually taking more off the teeth.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5ap1NcHUA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5ap1NcHUA</a>
This one shows it near the end of the process, you can see the teeth are deeper/wider in the center
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBJ1XrDaoI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBJ1XrDaoI</a>
Here its about down to final depth, you can just make out how the tops of the teeth have some hollow to them:

And checking with a length of the Acme threaded rod:

Next, moved the chuck back to the lathe and used the compound slide to angle both of the sides in to where the shaped part of the teeth start. The cap on the arbor was switched to the one that holds the part rigid to the arbor, and the oil was cleaned off the shank of the arbor too.

Then trimmed in the sides  to form the hub that sticks out in the middle. That required a smaller arbor cap.

Then moved back over to the mill with the horizontal rotary table, and laid out the holes at the corners of the spokes, using measurements for distance and angle from the CAD drawings. The blue lines are just to keep me oriented for where the openings will be.

Started out by milling the inner and outer arcs - first passes were in a little from the outer arc, then finish passes to dimension. Same on the inner arc of each opening.

Then moved on to the straight line cuts for the sides of the spokes. Again, first cuts in from the spoke, finish light cuts at the spoke edges:

And final cuts were to recess the spoke sides and the rim on both sides of the wheel:

And the finished gear! Only took a couple hours start to finish, came out looking great.

Next time I can start in on the set of shafts and bearings for the main control shaft, and then get the bearing blocks to hold that assembly in place. The next few days are shifting into some real summer weather, clear and upper 80s all of a sudden, so may not get much shop time in.
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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #166 on: June 02, 2025, 05:48:05 PM »
Beautiful worm gear, Chris!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:
That Acme tap makes a pretty decent hob!  I can see how gashing the blank would be important for getting the teeth to line up properly.  Nicely done!

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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #167 on: June 02, 2025, 05:57:40 PM »
Beautiful worm gear, Chris!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:
That Acme tap makes a pretty decent hob!  I can see how gashing the blank would be important for getting the teeth to line up properly.  Nicely done!

Kim
Thanks Kim!  When researching the gear hobbing on a previous project, I saw videos that did it this way and other that skipped pre-cutting the teeth. The ones that didn't precut mentioned that sometimes the initial hobbing would skip on the blank and ruin it, though if it worked out it was faster not to precut. I took the safe route. Now that I have the ability to make helical gears with the help from Brian in figuring out the Fellows fixture, that could be another way to make a worm/wheel combination I guess. The Acme rod makes a great worm gear though!

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« Reply #168 on: June 02, 2025, 06:02:17 PM »
Great work. You did a great job again!

 :cheers:

Michael

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« Reply #169 on: June 02, 2025, 07:07:39 PM »
Great work. You did a great job again!

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Michael
Thanks  Michael!

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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #170 on: June 02, 2025, 08:37:25 PM »
 :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Was that tap from the Goblin Hob Co. Ltd. Chris? I heard they only ship in October... :Lol:

The worm gear looks fantastic!  :cheers:
"I've cut that stock three times, and it's still too short!"

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« Reply #171 on: June 02, 2025, 09:13:30 PM »
:ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Was that tap from the Goblin Hob Co. Ltd. Chris? I heard they only ship in October... :Lol:

The worm gear looks fantastic!  :cheers:
That would make it a subsidiary of the  Vampire Tap And Faucet  Company?   :Jester:

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« Reply #172 on: June 03, 2025, 02:45:17 PM »
A little shop time this morning while waiting for it to warm up outside, got the 'kit' for the steering control shafts cut and trimmed to length, including the 1/2"x10tpi acme threaded rod for the control nut assembly. Lots of drilling and bearing making needed still...

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« Reply #173 on: June 03, 2025, 04:50:50 PM »
The new display room looks splendid  :ThumbsUp:  :ThumbsUp:  :)

Good progress on the engine and the worm gear  :praise2:  :praise2:  :wine1:
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« Reply #174 on: June 03, 2025, 05:02:13 PM »
 :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
"I've cut that stock three times, and it's still too short!"

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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #175 on: June 03, 2025, 07:17:54 PM »
Very cool worm gear, and blindingly fast as usual!   :popcorn: :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #176 on: June 03, 2025, 07:19:37 PM »
Thanks guys!   :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #177 on: June 03, 2025, 08:51:38 PM »
Hi "C" lovely work as usual and when cutting the wheel is it possible to use part of the unused worm stock to make the hob by machining it into a hobbing profile, then hardening and tempering it to use as the cutting tool ?? ..i have quite a few lengths of these acme rods that could be to good use. ?? Just wondering !!
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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #178 on: June 03, 2025, 08:58:53 PM »
Hi "C" lovely work as usual and when cutting the wheel is it possible to use part of the unused worm stock to make the hob by machining it into a hobbing profile, then hardening and tempering it to use as the cutting tool ?? ..i have quite a few lengths of these acme rods that could be to good use. ?? Just wondering !!
Willy.
Yes - thats actually how I did my first worm wheel, for the first steering engine. I cut sluts down the side of a piece of the Acme rod, and ground back the thread just behind the cutting edge the slots formed. I didn't harden it, since I was just using it on brass. It cut slower than the tap since it was not as sharp, but it worked fine. Here is the part of the build thread where I made/used the hob from the Acme rod:
https://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,11000.msg255707.html#msg255707


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Re: Chris's New Steering Engine
« Reply #179 on: June 04, 2025, 12:33:33 AM »
Always cool to see the worm wheel get made!
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