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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #930 on: April 07, 2026, 06:00:26 PM »
Since all the others are centered on the hour marks it looks as if the 1 o'clock I is a little off.

 :o :o :o :o :o

I'm so glad you noticed that and pointed it out Kvom!  There was an error in my spreadsheet!  I fixed it, and here's the updated picture of the chapter ring.


Thank you for pointing that out!  I'd have been VERY disappointed with the I offset like that!  How embarrassing!  :embarassed:

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #931 on: April 07, 2026, 06:08:33 PM »
Each of the wide strokes is shown as several straight lines plus an angled one connecting it to the start of the next line, is that just your way of showing the return path + offset?

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« Reply #932 on: April 07, 2026, 06:42:50 PM »
Each of the wide strokes is shown as several straight lines plus an angled one connecting it to the start of the next line, is that just your way of showing the return path + offset?

Yeah, kinda-sorta, well, not really...  Mostly, it's an artifact of Excel XY scatter plots.

In Excel, you can make an XY Scatter plot stop tracing a data series by having a blank row in your data (kinda like 'lifting the pen' for a plotter).  I just chose not to lift the pin between the multiple lines I made for the wide strokes.  My thinking was 1) it helps fill in the wide strokes in the graphs, 2) it's easier not to add the blank line.  Mostly, it was easier  :Lol:

I won't be doing a diagonal back when I actually engrave the letters.   ;D

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #933 on: April 07, 2026, 07:16:28 PM »
Each of the wide strokes is shown as several straight lines plus an angled one connecting it to the start of the next line, is that just your way of showing the return path + offset?

Yeah, kinda-sorta, well, not really...  Mostly, it's an artifact of Excel XY scatter plots.

In Excel, you can make an XY Scatter plot stop tracing a data series by having a blank row in your data (kinda like 'lifting the pen' for a plotter).  I just chose not to lift the pin between the multiple lines I made for the wide strokes.  My thinking was 1) it helps fill in the wide strokes in the graphs, 2) it's easier not to add the blank line.  Mostly, it was easier  :Lol:

I won't be doing a diagonal back when I actually engrave the letters.   ;D

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« Reply #934 on: April 07, 2026, 11:38:54 PM »
Some good progress on my chapter ring trial run.

I found a scrap of 1/16” mystery aluminum (some stuff I’d salvaged out of the garbage pile in our lab back in the days when I worked!)   This stuff doesn’t seem like 6061.  It machines a little differently than 6061 usually does. But it will work for my test.

Anyway, I took the piece as it was, with the weird shape and a few extra holes in it, drilled a hole to represent the center of my clock face, and set it up on the RT, with that hole centered.  I made a cut about halfway through the piece with a 1/8” end mill to mark the outer and inner diameters of the chapter ring.

Then I moved to the 1/32” end mill that I’ll be using for the engraving task and cut radii for the inside and outside of the chapter marks.  I’ve just completed that task here.  Unfortunately, it’s a little hard to see the grooves against the color of the aluminum in general.


To help make things easier to see, I covered the area I was working with one of those fat Shapies that I often use because it’s easier than breaking out the Dykem.  That really helped.

Then I cut the wider chapter marks between those rings, followed by the minute marks between them.  Here I’m a little more than halfway done cutting the minute marks on my test chapter ring.


One of the test numerals I’m doing is the VIII, because it is the widest one.  I wanted to make sure it fit without cutting into the other things on the face.  Before I started cutting, I could tell that it would break through into the minute mark ring.  So, to prevent that, I modified my spreadsheet to make the numerals just a tad shorter.  This wasn’t very hard because I’d made ‘numeral height’ a variable in my sheet (along with the various widths and serif size, etc.)  So I changed it from 1/2" to 7/16”.  I’m using a 1/32” end mill to make the marks, so they will extend 1/64” above and below the dimensions specified in my spreadsheet.   So they’ll really be 15/32” tall, so not too much of a sacrifice.

After this first revision to my spreadsheet (well, OK, the 1537th revision  :Lol:), I went to cut my first number. I started with the serifs.  I designed it so that the serif’s of adjacent numerals would connect.   And my Vs don't have a serif along the bottom (I found examples of both, with and without serifs, so I just picked a way to go).  That's why there are two serifs at the top, and only one along the bottom. 


Next, I rotated the table, offset in X and Y as specified, and cut the narrow diagonal line for the V.


Then I cut the wide diagonal by rotating the RT the opposite direction, offsetting in the opposite direction, and making multiple cuts.   I tried 3, as I have shown it in my spreadsheet, but that didn’t quite do it.  My plan was to just ‘wing it’ to empty out the rest of the area by hand, but after doing this one, I think I’m going to modify the spreadsheet to walk me through this.  So another revision of the spreadsheet is coming.


Finally, I moved the RT back to the ‘central’ position and engraved the three wide uprights for the I’s.   Again, I ended up doing more passes than the three shown on the spreadsheet.  I think add a few more lines here too, while I’m at it.


Next on my trial run of the chapter ring, I was going to cut the 12 (XII) since this is the next widest number. And I wanted to do a test run of an X.   However, as it turns out, I was looking at the coordinates for the serifs to see how long to make the joined serif, and I realized that my XII has an error in the spacing between the X and the first I. :o  Look at this and see if you notice it too.  The spacing is closer than in the XI or the IX.


I see it clearly now, but obviously hadn’t noticed it before.  So that’s another thing to fix.  (The list is getting long!)

Also, the serifs between the I and the X in the 9 (IX) don’t join like they are supposed to.  Nor at the top of the XI.  So I’m going to have to figure that one out, too.  I think the only reason the serifs join in the XII is that the spacing between the X and the I is wrong. I think it’s off by a half an I-width, but I’m not sure. I’ll have to debug that.

So, LOTS of spreadsheet debugging going on.  But a good test run too!  I’m glad I did the test before launching into the actual chapter ring!

I am quite pleased with how the VIII turned out.  All my calculated values and angles seemed to line up quite well.  So that part of the spreadsheet test passed with flying colors.  Now I only have to fix all those other little nits.  :Lol:


Oh yeah, another part of this test is to see if engraving the numerals 10 thou deep will be enough. It seems that I can do a 10 thou pass with the 1/32" bit easily enough.  If I have to go deeper, I'm afraid I'll have to start doing multiple passes.  Not only will that take longer, it will double (or triple!) my opportunity for mistakes.  So I'm hoping that 10 thou will be plenty  :embarassed:

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #935 on: April 07, 2026, 11:49:33 PM »
Great to see how this process develops!  Thanks for including all these details. Thats quite a spreadsheet!
What will the real chapter ring be made of, aluminum or steel? You had mentioned the stuff you will use for filling the numbers, more detail on that please!
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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #936 on: April 08, 2026, 12:38:55 AM »
Hi Kim

That aluminum is most likely 5052 H32 which is great for forming in a brake and welding but is very soft and gummy to machine. If you try to form 6061 it will usually crack and depending on the thickness and angle it can break in two.
Your spread sheet is way above my pay grade but interesting how you have worked it out never the less. My hat is off to you for having the knowledge and skill to do this. :praise2:

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #937 on: April 08, 2026, 01:21:31 AM »
What will the real chapter ring be made of, aluminum or steel? You had mentioned the stuff you will use for filling the numbers, more detail on that please!
The real chapter ring will be made out of 6061 aluminum.  It should machine better than this stuff!

The stuff I'm planning to use to fill the letters is called Black Dial Wax.  I got it from Timesavers: https://timesavers.com/i-8947850-black-dial-wax.html 
It looks like one of those big chunky kids crayons!  :Lol:

I plan to melt it into the machined grooves I make here. I'll be testing that out as part of this practice work I'm doing right now.

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #938 on: April 08, 2026, 01:28:53 AM »
That aluminum is most likely 5052 H32 which is great for forming in a brake and welding but is very soft and gummy to machine. If you try to form 6061 it will usually crack and depending on the thickness and angle it can break in two.
Yes, that sounds like this stuff.  They used a lot of it in the lab to make fixtures to hold test boards on and such.  And yes, they'd bend and do all sorts of stuff to it. Though it was moslty just big sheets with mounting holes in it.  So they were constantly throwing away old fixtures and I'd pick them up.  I've used chunks of this aluminum for lots of things around my shop, just never knew exactly what it was.  But 5052 makes sense!

Actually, though, this piece may have been from a blank card slot filler from some Tektronix logic analyzer that we used.  When they got cards to expand the logic analyzer, they'd put those in the slots and toss the 'blank cards' that had been in their place, and I'd take those too!

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #939 on: April 08, 2026, 01:36:39 AM »
I'm  interested in  how the wax works out, might be good for engraved nameplates.

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #940 on: April 08, 2026, 12:14:08 PM »
Mic6 plate might work very well.

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« Reply #941 on: April 08, 2026, 10:33:39 PM »
Was gonna say that looks like a 50xx series aluminum, others got there ahead of me.  The VIII test looks great, Kim.  I kinda like the inverse (light numbers in dark colored Al) scheme, but the filled numerals makes sense too. 

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« Reply #942 on: April 08, 2026, 10:51:16 PM »
Mic6 plate might work very well.
Just looked up the Mic-6 aluminum, had not encountered it before. How does it compare for milling to 6061, especially for chips sticking to the end mill?

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« Reply #943 on: April 08, 2026, 10:59:54 PM »
It is a cast product and soft and gummy, yes it will gladly load up on your end mill if the feed is to aggressive and/or not enough lubricant. This would not be my choice because of it being cast, the cut line edges could chip, not be crisp and difficult to deburr. As far as I know it is not available in thickness under 1/4". 6061 is available in a nice range of sheet metal thicknesses and if aluminum was desired, this would be my choice.

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« Reply #944 on: April 08, 2026, 11:42:24 PM »
It is a cast product and soft and gummy, yes it will gladly load up on your end mill if the feed is to aggressive and/or not enough lubricant. This would not be my choice because of it being cast, the cut line edges could chip, not be crisp and difficult to deburr. As far as I know it is not available in thickness under 1/4". 6061 is available in a nice range of sheet metal thicknesses and if aluminum was desired, this would be my choice.

Dave
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