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Offline kvom

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #315 on: May 09, 2025, 09:27:17 AM »
Catching up after 3 weeks traveling.  :popcorn:

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #316 on: May 10, 2025, 01:42:11 AM »
Thanks Kvom!  Hope you had a great trip!
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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #317 on: May 10, 2025, 01:53:27 AM »
Next is the Barrel Ratchet.

So I made a 60o toot cutter using the same process I did in reply #96 , so  I won’t repeat it all here.

Then I sliced off a chunk of 1” diameter 303 stainless and faced it to 3/16” diameter, drilled a 3/16” hole in the center, and cut a fancy ring on one side.  And I made a 3/16” mandrel to use in making this ratchet.  It will also be used for many of the other gears on this clock.

Here are all the parts I need to make the gear.  The cutter is mounted on the arbor on the right.  The top arbor is the 3/16” one for holding the gear blank, and the gear blank is the lower item in the picture.


Next, I set up the rotary table on the mill, got it as square as I could, and centered the cutter on the centerline of the mandrel.


Next, I offset the cutter by 0.043”.


Why did I offset the cutter, you might ask? That’s a good question!  Generally, you want to cut gear teeth so they are centered on the axis, otherwise, the teeth will come out all wonky.  But in this case, Wilding specifies a 5o back rake on the teeth, to make a more positive latch on the ratchet pawl (which we call a click in clock making, apparently). In order to get this back rake, you offset the teeth.  Here’s a picture to help show you what’s going on:


In the top left picture, you see how the triangle tooth will look if you cut it on center.  Not too exciting.  But if you offset it some, as shown in the upper picture on the right, then you will get some back rake on the tooth, as shown in the lower right picture.

I thought that was pretty ingenious!

So now I had to figure out how deep to make the teeth.  I had calculated a number using my rudimentary trig, but I wasn’t absolutely confident in my math.  So, I cut the first two teeth to see how deep they needed to be to make them nearly join. And yes, my calculations were mighty close!


After a lot more tooth cutting (only 16, but it still took quite some time!) here it is with all 16 teeth.


I still need to file the hole square so it will fit on the barrel arbor, but it’s looking pretty good.


Interestingly, the ratchet teeth came out looking much more aggressive than they looked in the plans.  I went back and checked my CAD drawings, and it turns out, I made this part to look like the drawing in the book, which apparently isn't a very accurate drawing, as it does not match the dimensions shown.  Even my drawing doesn't match the dimensions I show!  How'd I do that!?!  :facepalm:).  The angle at the bottom of the tooth is specified to be 60 degrees, which is what I made.  But in the CAD drawing, I apparently just made it ‘look’ like the picture in the book.  I don’t know why. That seems extremely silly. But that’s what I did.  In my defense, it is one of the earlier parts I drew, but still, not matching my own dimensions is pretty gross negligence. I'm going to have to fire that draftsman!

Anyway, I found a picture in the book of the ratchet, and it looks much more like what I made, and much LESS like the drawing he shows in the book.  Go figure.

Anyway, not a big deal, other than I‘m going to have to be careful when making the click to make it match the actual ratchet, and NOT the mythical ratchet that I drew in my plans.

Wonder if I’ll ever go back and fix my CAD drawing?  Not likely at this point….   :embarassed:

Thanks for looking in!
Kim

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #318 on: May 10, 2025, 02:03:35 AM »
More beauty!   :popcorn: :popcorn:




Are you finding that the book leaves out details of making parts, like how to cut the teeth? When I  built  my first clock from a book like that one it was frustrating at times, eventually  got a few more books to fill in the gaps. I think they knew so much of clockmaking that they assumed beginners  knew a fair bit too?   :shrug:

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #319 on: May 10, 2025, 02:48:02 AM »
 :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Great looking ratchet Kim! Nice job. The back angle will make the pawl locking action much more secure.
"I've cut that stock three times, and it's still too short!"

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #320 on: May 10, 2025, 04:48:05 AM »
Thanks Chris and CNR!

Are you finding that the book leaves out details of making parts, like how to cut the teeth? When I  built  my first clock from a book like that one it was frustrating at times, eventually got a few more books to fill in the gaps. I think they knew so much of clockmaking that they assumed beginners  knew a fair bit too?   :shrug:
Yes, he seems to leave out a LOT of detail, and not just major things like cutting gears. I assume he covers that in one of his earlier books.  But as you say, I have filled in using other material since cycloidal gears are a fairly standard thing.
The missing info that has frustrated me the most is things like, not really talking about where or how some of the major pieces are mounted.  He shows you how to make it, and shows the subassembly, but there's nothing telling you where it connects to or what it interacts with. The bell striker is like this. So is the maintaining ratchet.  I had to infer these things from a few blurry photos and reverse engineering.

Also, no info on what a Fusee does, or why you'd want one.  I learned this from other sources, too.

Not the most satisfying how-to book that I've used.  But then, who can compare to Kozo in that department, eh? He's a hard act to follow!  ;D

The back angle will make the pawl locking action much more secure.
Yes, I think it will.  I'm quite pleased with the look of it.  Hopefully it will work as good as it looks!  :Lol:

Kim
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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #321 on: May 10, 2025, 07:27:44 AM »
That looks great and really informative pics!

(I'd have been so worried that vibration would loosen the nut I'd have at least one lock-nut on there and probably some Loctite or a blob of solder in the thread  :Lol:)

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #322 on: May 10, 2025, 06:15:41 PM »
Thanks Paul!  :cheers:

Yeah, a lock nut is probably not a bad idea, though I've used a single nut on arbors like this many times and never had a problem. But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea!   My only concern with a lock nut is that I want to make sure the nut is tight against the gear blank it's holding and NOT just tight against the lock nut.  I'm more worried about rotation than about the part coming loose!

Kim

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #323 on: May 11, 2025, 09:01:27 AM »
Didn't Clickspring build this clock and post a build thread on YouTube?  I'd look at that as a helpful reference.

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #324 on: May 11, 2025, 02:37:45 PM »
I checked, and he built a different Wilding clock.  But I suspect there is useful info anyway.

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #325 on: May 11, 2025, 03:42:30 PM »
Yeah, I think Clickspring made the Large Wheel clock by Wilding.  I do enjoy watching Clickspring! His results are always amazing! It make me feel very inadequate to be making these things...  :embarrassed:

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #326 on: May 16, 2025, 02:56:49 AM »
I just found this video of a skeleton clock. It has some fine close up photos of the running works. The finish and polish on the parts is amazing.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz2unc_oOFI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz2unc_oOFI</a>

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #327 on: May 16, 2025, 06:47:49 AM »
Wow!  That is a very beautiful clock someone made there!  Yes, they have a beautiful finish on all the parts.

Very interesting video, thanks for posting it, Ron.

Kim

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #328 on: May 16, 2025, 12:02:31 PM »
The W R Smith books are much more complete with details, and he has a few others that go into construction details. He was a really nice man we exchanged a few letters back in the day. I never got around to building one of his though..

https://wrsmithclocks.com/books/

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Re: Elegent Scroll Frame Skeleton Clock
« Reply #329 on: May 17, 2025, 09:54:19 AM »
Always good to make the tool to make the part  :ThumbsUp:  :ThumbsUp:  :)

Some interesting background on ratchet wheels and design  :thinking:
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Roger

 

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