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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2025, 11:37:54 PM »
Very nice top hat!  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:

And I love your monitor!  That's a great use for a repurposed TV!  Nicely done!

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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2025, 09:29:22 AM »
Hello Stuart,
I'm glad you're continuing to work on the engine. The new cylinder head cover is a good idea.

When I place the cylinder head under the beam, it's also slightly off-center from the rounded space on the aluminum base.


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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2025, 03:20:07 PM »
Thanks Michael - a lot going on in life unfortunately, too many distractions from what I want to do but such is the way of things. Gradually getting those distractions out of the way.

Those off center features don't affect anything other than slight appearance - but I'm glad I did the clean up.

So, the fun bit is getting the angled face on it at the right height and clocked correctly to the bolt pattern. Not all that hard - and as mentioned, if one were to eyeball it and mark the height front and back, paint some blue on, scribe a line etc it would all work out.

But I decided to make a holding fixture out of a piece of scraptonium, including a mating dowel pin hole at the center, the bolt pattern in the head / ring and another dowel pin for a tooling ball. The tooling ball acts as an easy to establish reference, the holding fixture is then angled making use of a sine bar.

I’m changing all the BA threads over to UNC or UNF threads which are easier to deal with stateside. There are close enough sizes. Not equivalent – they won’t play together – just similar physical sizes. I tabulated the whole arrangement. I was surprised I couldn’t find anything already done, figured that must surely have been done and shared before.

Anyway – the fixture block was all squared up and the center hole drilled and reamed, and bolt pattern added. Here it is tapped with my home-made small tap holder.



The idea of using a tooling ball to establish location actually came to me after making the fixture to that point. My original plan had been to use a dowel pin, but it would have been difficult to keep perpendicular to the vise jaws. The tooling ball is easy – here is a reamed hole being added. I’m using a kool mist mainly to blow chips away so nothing gets jammed in the reamer to make the hole go oversize.



Tooling ball fitted – a nice close, slip fit.



So, this drawing helps to explain the point of the ball.



The drawing has the dimension from the top of the ball to the finished wedge surface – so now you can see that it is possible to set up the fixture in a vise on a sine plate, touch off an end mill on top of the ball (by way of a feeler gauge so as to not damage either end mill or ball), and then bring the tool down (actually the mill knee up) until dimension from top of the ball to finished surface is reached. Now the wedge is very accurately created.

Although I have CAD and it’s easy to measure the dimension needed, I like to do the trigonometry. I’ll show the triangles here and how that works for the fun of it. I feel like making the effort to do the maths increases overall understanding of geometry – and it’s just a bit of trigonometry. I drew this up to show the relevant calculations and geometry.



Hopefully that’s self-explanatory. For anyone interested in the details I will go through the calcs on the video I am putting together for this, but basically the numerical dimensions are the known values – dimensions desired on the final part etc, and the dimensions in letters are what have to be calculated to get the vertical dimension that references from the top of the tooling ball to the finished angled face, when the part is set up in the milling machine.
So OK – with that known here is the set up – using a sine bar to get the angle as accurate as possible. Yes – more trigonometry! I expect you all know this. The center distance of the pins on the sine bar are 5” apart, so to set the angle calculate the height of a stack of gauge blocks to put under the rear pin. Sin (5.572) X 5.0” is the calculation.
Enough waffle – pitchers here.





So then after touching the face of the end mill off on the top of the tooling ball (using a feeler gauge) it’s just a matter of raising the knee gradually and carving away the material.







Simple enough and quite satisfying.

2 parts down, lots more to go.
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2025, 03:24:29 PM »
Great attention to detail!  I assume the purpose of that sloped end is to let condensate in the cylinder run down to a drain valve?

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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2025, 03:30:29 PM »
I think that is correct Chris - nothing is specifically included but the plans point to that location for a drain cock. If this were to only be run on air I guess that wouldn't matter too much, but running on steam is more fun! Hope to do that some day.
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2025, 02:32:14 PM »
I made a video about this component, so it's here in case anyone is interested, complete with chapters so you can skip over things if you want.

It's a half hour and frankly is mostly discussion about how to do the geometry around the tooling ball and the angled surface, but I feel like there tends not to be an appreciation of that kind of thing in a lot of home shops. Well, anyway there it is.


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voe0JZo1JEk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voe0JZo1JEk</a>
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2025, 03:17:51 PM »
I made some bushings. Satisfying, but there isn't much to say about it. Nasty burr on the one which I need to polish off. Ho hum.



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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2025, 10:19:03 AM »
Your engine is coming alone nicely.....are those bushings brass or bronze?  And (because I'm kinda 'tupid) where do they go on this engine
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2025, 11:59:31 AM »
Well, slowly slowly. These are the main bearing bushings for the beam pivot - and…….they are junk.

Following our convo yesterday I checked the bores and they are undersize. Did not expect that. I don’t know why reaming using flood coolant would cause that, but I’m going to make these again and re without flood coolant just to see if the bores come out on size.

I could try and re ream these, but I want to test the process. These are ugly anyway. Do over. Same bar, same reamer. See if the use of coolant vs oil makes a difference. You live and learn.

Another lesson - check the bore size before parting off.


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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2025, 12:09:44 PM »
But Stuart,
why make new bushings?
They look good. And a little smaller in the bore isn't so bad. You haven't made the shaft for the beam yet, have you?

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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2025, 12:34:15 PM »
Yes I can save these for sure - or make the shaft smaller - but I also want to understand why my reamer made an undersize hole. I’ve used that reamer before and made on size holes. So I want to investigate. That’s all really.
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2025, 12:40:34 PM »
Yes, okay, Stuart.

Then the two bushings are for the first wear stage of the beam engine 😉.

Regards, Michael  :cheers:

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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2025, 01:02:27 AM »
The biggest screw up here is that these should be split bushings.
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2026, 05:41:18 PM »
It has been a bit, but I picked this engine up again. I suddenly got an urge to mess with the column.

I'm pretty sure this can be made successfully by simple layout techniques, as the sideways position of the beam can float a lot on the pivot. Still I think it's a good idea to make things as accurately as possible - meaning making sure geometry of features is appropriately aligned, so I spent plenty of time measuring the casting to see where the material sat relative to where the finished part has to be. In doing so I discovered that the square base did not have enough material in spots to clean up, and the same was true on the top platen. So I made a basic 3D model and changed a few dimensions to look at the impact of altering things a bit, and came up with a plan, which included measuring the mating entablature to make sure that would attach and be the same width. I was happy to see there was plenty of material to take off the sides of the column top to match the entablature width.

Model (not all features are modelled in)



Column and entablature





Measuring included a lot of this kind of thing - shimming one end and flipping back and forth between opposite sides and touching off just to see roughly how central the column is. What I established was that with a 1/8" shim under the small end, I can bring the base and top to size and clean off the base square and get some reference surfaces to work with.





So then it's a matter of transferring that to the mill and getting on with it. Doing the pre measuring gives me the confidence of defining a process to follow. The one part of this that will be a bit freeform is turning the actual tapered column and decorative features. That will be a case of basically turning to clean up and it is what it is - but the mounting features need to be accurate.



With all the measuring pre work it's very easy to take off the appropriate amount of material each side of the top and bottom fatures and get them to size - plus I know they are true and centered relative to each other, which will make it easy for me to get the beam bearings located so they will positioned correctly relative to the soleplate positions and therefore the cylinder and flywheel bearing positions.



At the same time I squared off the underside using this long end mill that I happened to have on hand (was given it by a machinist at a place I used to work. He gave me all his old HSS tooling as he no longer used it).

The trick here is very light cuts and several spring passes so that the underside stayed square. The underside is NOT to finished dimension at this stage. I'm leaving material so that I can adjust that and get the height correct after machining the bearing mounting surfaces.





Then a double check to make sure the dimension from each machined surface is correct, as well as being sure how to pack the part up for machining the opposite sides.



Setting up on gauge blocks (and before anyone gets offended I have a cheap and cheerful set specifically for clamping and then a nice set for measuring, and never the twain shall meet).



I know the position of the endmill by touching off on a 1-2-3 block and setting that position on the Z axis on the DRO (could do it with the wheel dials just as easily - maybe with a little more concentration needed and consideration of backlash).



Apparently I didn't take a picture of the finished sides after that bit of machining, which is as far as I got. With a bit of luck I'll get a bit of time this afternoon to keep going. So far about 90% measuring and planning, and 10% actual machining. Maybe less than that. But if I don't plan these things out this way I have a tendency to screw them up.

This part would actually be much easier to make from solid bar - one of the reasons I like castings is the extra challenge in work holding and then figuring out a plan.

I'll try not to leave it nearly a year until the next post.  ::)
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Re: Model Engineer Beam Engine - Reeves Kit
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2026, 09:51:45 PM »
A little bit more needless handwringing:

Clamped against 2 blocks so that the base and one machined surface are held square, and sat down on a 1/8" gauge block so that the ring doesn't interfere with the surface plate. Then measured some high spots on the column. Then rotated the column 180° and did the same. The point being to establish how close to center the column is. It's about .010" off center at the largest diameter and a lot more at the smallest diameter. However from prior measurements it seems there's about 0.100" stock around it so should not be an issue, and the column part is not critical dimension wise, I just want to be able to machine it and not make it too skinny.



So then clamp it up and make sure the base is square to the table (and therefore vice), with appropriate packing.



Then touch off on the determined spot on the side of the base and machine it down (.082" removed).



Then zero the Z axis, and machine away the entablature mount faces to -.094" relative to the base surface.



Now I know that the entablature mount faces are square to the base, and if I maintain that relationship throughout the remainder of the process, then I won't suffer a drooping entablature. No one wants a droopy entablature.

One more side of the base to clean up, and then I'll turn attention to the top of the column. Maybe next weekend.
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