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Offline Team ricky

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Borderer Piston valve version
« on: May 28, 2024, 11:22:05 AM »
Hi chaps,

This one should be interesting 🤨

A little bit bigger than my previous projects , all castings seem to be present and correct.

Building the piston valve version for super heated steam and rc use , also got a great new idea on how to fit the water pump in a space efficient way !


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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2024, 02:58:58 PM »
It looks like this is going to make a nice steam engine for a model boat. I'll be happy to watch.

Michael

(The castings look good)

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2024, 03:41:28 PM »
I sure hope to do the project justice :)

The castings are very good indeed ! I think the only two jobs I canít manage on my set up is the cylinder bores and crank shaft

Just due to equipment size and Iíd choose a stainless crankshaft , other than that all other operations I can manage Ö..

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2024, 06:11:49 PM »
I found your engine in a somewhat older catalog and there are references to several editions from the model engineer. Maybe you can get help there.

Michael

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2024, 02:47:10 PM »
The crankshaft could be built up from pieces if you can't manage a solid one.

Mounting the cylinder on it's side to a lathe cross slide and using a between centres boring bar would work if you can't set it up on a faceplate.

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2024, 05:08:05 PM »
Thanks for the replyís ;)

I think the crank is such a critical item Iíd like to have a fellow model maker help out !

It comes down the lathe size I guess , I have a proxxon pf230 and a warco mini lathe but Iíd bet the larger of the two lathes still would struggleÖ.

Is it against terms to pay people for help on the site ??

Cheers in advance

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2024, 07:29:11 PM »
Is it against terms to pay people for help on the site ??

Members provide their help for free  :) its all for the love of building model engines and seeing others successfully building theirs.

The only people who actually pay are the admins :headscratch: our Moderators generously provide their time for free  :cheers:

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2024, 07:42:50 PM »
There are certainly members here who will do CAD work, make parts or even whole engines for a reward as well as doing it for free.

It would be worth having a go at making the crankshaft yourself and see how you get on though I would suggest a free cutting mild steel is  a better choice than Stainless not least because it is easier to machine.

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2024, 11:17:19 AM »
Sounds like a great community going on in here ;)

Over the years Iíve always helped younger aero moddlers with small engineering jobs 👍🏼

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2024, 11:09:02 AM »
The coolest way to make this crankshaft is by assembly by silver brazing of dead rectangular bits and round axles of metal, you just have to drill matching rectangle together to keep them identical and cut the shaft after brazing between crank web at the end...

but making one from a solid bar is also quite possible on both of your lathe, without struggle...

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJZdHfUPuA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJZdHfUPuA</a>

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2024, 08:38:44 PM »
Interesting video ;)

I think Iím going to have a go at the crank , I really should!

Iíve had issues parting off recently which put me off trying slot cuts on decent diameters especially steel..
Now today I spend a few hours tightening and adjusting every bit of play out of the mini lathe and itís cutting pretty good now with a very expensive 2mm carbide parting tool !

Thatís what I will have to use to clear most of the material then maybe a clean up pass with a form tool ..

Also Iíll turn between centres , and get a local engineer to index both ends symmetrical for me so I vc a just set up a drive dog (somehow) and Iím good to make scrap ! No wait a crank shaft !

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2024, 11:42:56 AM »
Iím still waiting on a drive dog to start the job !

In the meantime a friend of a friend with bigger machines is going to have a look and see if he can help ;)

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Re: Borderer Piston valve version
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2024, 01:20:47 PM »
No joy in the friend :(

Itís odd now two engineers have said Ďummmmí   When asked to turn between centres !

Alarm bells so Iíll do it all be it extremely light cuts Ö.

Iíll index the ends of the blank whilst bolted to a v block so I can flip end to end a reference the centre spots needed , I think if that goes well I may be ok !

 

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