Author Topic: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines  (Read 43117 times)

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #150 on: August 26, 2025, 05:08:43 AM »
Kim; maybe my description wasn't very good or clear, my intent was always to put the first fold in using the brake. This is what located the blank on the lower part of the tool. The tools only job was to put the curve and little jog in. This was kind of a quick knock it out kind of a part that I had procrastinated about too long. I only needed one piece and it is pretty much out if sight.

Oh, no,  not at all!  I followed you perfectly.  The form tool I was referring to was the one you used for turning the little 3-donut finials :Lol:  You were going to have the tool cut the part off, too, that was the 'form tool' I was thinking about in my comment  :Lol:  And that is just a nit, which is why I thougth it was funny to compare your minor changes to my multiple, major, reworks!  :embarassed:

You do amazing work, Dave!

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #151 on: August 26, 2025, 05:19:52 PM »
Thanks Kim, sorry for my confusion.  :)

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #152 on: September 06, 2025, 06:00:25 PM »
Hi Guys
Work continues the Kyko fan, next to make is the actual fan assembly. Like most all the other parts of this model the fan assembly was created using an original fan as a pattern to follow. Also keeping with the knock down design the fan assembly is also easy to take apart.


The hub assembly consists of two parts that are essentially the same except one has for drive pins that engage with the blades. These are made from brass and will be nickel plated.


The four blades all stack one on top of the other and are secured by the outer hub/nut. It is not the most elegant design but functional, nevertheless.


The hub blanks were roughed out on the lathe.


Then transferred to the mill to cut the lobes using the CNC.


The sharp edges were blended using a Scotch-Brite wheel on the buffer, then given a fine bead blast finish.


The blades were cut on the Laser and given a fine finish before forming.


A fixture to form the blades was designed and printed. The area that contacts the blade surface was sanded to a fine finish to avoid marking the blade and to create a nice uniform shape.


The blade is aligned with the bottom of the fixture and centered.


The using a square set to the proper dimension, it is insured that the top of the blade is also centered in the fixture. The angle on the fixture is there to create the proper area when the blade is twisted.


After a little fussing around the fixture is smashed together in the vise.


Another tool was printed to bend the 15-degree angle on the blades.


The blades are easily twisted, a protractor is used to insure the proper angle.


Here is one of the blades after forming. The original blades are numbered, and I have been told that it is for balance. My thoughts are that each blade is formed slightly different based on where it is in the stack. That way they all end up in pretty much that same plane at the tips. For this little guy they look just fine to me being all the same.


Here are the blades assembled onto the engine.


And a rear view.

Thanks for checking in, more to come.
Dave
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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #153 on: September 06, 2025, 06:44:55 PM »
Very impressive!
The fan looks great. Just like the rest of the engine.

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #154 on: September 06, 2025, 06:59:28 PM »
The whole thing is looking really nice, the hub nuts turned out particular well
Best regards

Sanjay

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #155 on: September 06, 2025, 10:45:20 PM »
Beautiful work, Dave!   :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn:

And I love your 3D printed blade forming fixture.  That is nice.  How hard was it to get a nice fit on the alignment pins?

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #156 on: September 07, 2025, 01:11:26 AM »
Excellent!  :ThumbsUp:

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #157 on: September 07, 2025, 04:23:12 AM »
 Very nice!

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2025, 11:57:26 PM »
Thanks guys, for all the nice comments, they are always appreciated!
Kim, are you referring to the pins in the printed fixture or on the blades?

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #159 on: September 08, 2025, 12:44:41 AM »
Kim, are you referring to the pins in the printed fixture or on the blades?
I was thinking about the pins in the printed fixture.

My printer is quite uniform and I've not had a hard time getting nice friction fit pins & holes when I print both the pins and the holes (if that makes sense).  But I've never tried hitting a specific size to match a metal pin, which is what you have done here.  That might be more of a challenge.

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #160 on: September 08, 2025, 01:05:05 AM »
Hey Kim,

I just print to the nominal dimension and then ream for the fit that I want on the pin. Most of the time the alignment isn't super critical (now I sound like those guys on YouTube :lolb:) so I will ream as a set. Get one pin installed then ream the other. Then go back and open up the side of the tool that I want to be a slip fit. I never really spend a lot of time trying to make it perfect becasue it is usually just for a few "usually" sheet metal parts.
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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #161 on: September 08, 2025, 04:32:23 AM »
Well, now, THAT makes a lot of sense!  Ream the hole to the size you want.  That's way smarter than what I was picturing!  :Lol:

Kim

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #162 on: September 25, 2025, 12:30:05 PM »
That's a great blade twisting tool  :praise2:  :praise2:
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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #163 on: October 25, 2025, 09:21:04 PM »
Thanks for checking in Roger, and sorry for the delayed reply.

Hi Guys
Work continues the fan with making the fan cage. Below are two screen shots of my CAD design. My full-sized fan is missing the cage, but I have managed to collect some pretty good photos of an original so used that as a go by to design my ˝ sized one.


The cage is a rather flimsy mostly aluminum fabrication. It is designed to be easily split in two at its horizontal axis. There first screen shot here shows it assembled.


This shot shows how it is held together with clips at each end and split fasteners with knurled nuts to hold them together. The upper spoke is slotted where it slips over the pin on the hub. There is a captive nut and washer that will be shown later that when loosened allows the spoke to be lifted from the pin. The lower spokes are permanently attached to the hub with rivets. The blades and blade hub need to be removed before the lower assembly can be installed or removed.


Starting out the basic hub was machined.


Using a collet block for indexing the pin holes were added.


The pins were turned and added to the hub, I Had to make the heads on the pins smaller than I had originally planned because the 3rd pin would not pass through the other two, So they were trimmed down until I could get all three in place.


The pins were then silver soldered in place.


Back in the collet block the rivet holes and one tapped hole are added for fixing the spokes.


The front bearing stand needed to have the mounting hole added to secure the hub in place.


The dog bone parts were carved out on the CNC, here the first op has been completed.


Then flipped over and repeated on the other side.


The parts were then freed from the parent stock.


Then some fettling and a trip through the blast cabinet.


The boss to fit the ID of the aluminum tubing was machined next. One thing left to do was add the hole through the boss for the rivet.


Here are the spokes and dog bones ready for assembly.


Making the clips that hold the ends of the cage together was an interesting exercise. I designed a 3d printed tool that got me most of the way there. The material is .024” galvannealed steel, if it were any thicker, I wouldn’t have gotten away with the plastic tool.


The tool got the bends at each end started and before the part was removed the ends were bent up to 90 degrees which is as far as the tool would allow.


A new mandrel was made for my little bender so the loops at each end could be finished.


This made short work of finishing the loops.


Here is a photo of the mostly finished clips and associated hardware. They still need to have rivets installed.


The holes were drilled and rivets installed using the UPT.


The .093” aluminum hoops were formed using the slip roll, I have found that clamping an angle block square to the rolls helps keep the parts from developing a twist if multiple passes are needed to get the desired curve.


A template was made to help gauge the proper size and shape of the hoop; this was also used to help trim the ends to the proper length.


With all the parts made it is time to do a trial assembly. The upper hoops protrude slightly and engage into the lower clips; this keeps the hoops aligned with each other.


Here is the hardware that retains the upper spoke, I had made these parts when I made the hardware for the front sheet metal as I was already in the mode and they needed to match. These are slightly larger, being 2-56 vs 1-72 threads.


Here are all the pieces assembled for a test fit and photo op. I’m very pleased with how it all came together. The hub will be nickel plated so I haven’t attached the lower spokes for good yet.

More to come.
Thanks for checking in.
Dave

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Re: 1/2 Size KyKo Hot Air Engines
« Reply #164 on: October 25, 2025, 11:20:26 PM »
Wow! That's beautiful work, Dave!

I appreciate your step-by-step description of how you made the fan cage.  That is quite the work of art!  (As is everything you make!)   :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Kim

 

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