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Re: Fuel Injection Systems Part 2
« Reply #135 on: August 28, 2023, 07:58:38 PM »
I see that you turn to KISS - 'Keep It Simple Stupid' ....
.... and it has saved my bacon on a number of times, too ...!  ;D

Come to think about it - your new aproch might work even better with an 'Indirect Injection System' .... if you got the room for it ....  :noidea:

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Re: Fuel Injection Systems Part 2
« Reply #136 on: August 29, 2023, 02:43:04 PM »
Not much special about the body, the bore was reamed 2mm and the ball seating was lapped with a 3mm diamond ball lap.

The injection seems to be more of a squirt than an atomisation with the hand test pump:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9XOfphk89w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9XOfphk89w</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS5owr5DIJQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS5owr5DIJQ</a>

A mushroom injector appears better:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-_l4zTTv0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-_l4zTTv0</a>

As does the latest needle injector:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5M0mXQIXQ8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5M0mXQIXQ8</a>

Hopefully I can do some running trials in the next couple of weeks  :)

Hey Roger,
Just an observation, the nozzle in your test video is hanging at the end of a copper tube....and I'm noticing it's vibrating.     That vibration is going to have a fairly significant effect on you paper spray pattern.    If you're counting on that....just sayin....
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Re: Fuel Injection Systems Part 2
« Reply #137 on: August 30, 2023, 06:17:44 PM »
Thank you both  :ThumbsUp:

Per, I have thought about indirect injection, it makes the injection theoretically easier but increases the heat loss due to a larger surface area combustion chamber. The current four stroke diesel combustion chamber is about as small as it can be. There's a poster on HMEM i am following who is looking at building an indirect injection diesel.

Dave, I'm not too worried about the actual pattern at the moment, just the atomisation. Previously while I was trying to work out how to keep everything concentric it was important and someone (possibly Per?) pointed out the vibration of the pipe. The spray from the needle and mushroom injectors lights easily, the jet from the open nozzle just makes my lighter oily. With a much faster pressure rise in an engine turning at 2000 rpm rather that me pushing the handle on the test pump things may be different  :thinking:  :headscratch:  :wine1:
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Re: Fuel Injection Systems Part 2
« Reply #138 on: August 30, 2023, 07:34:44 PM »
I can only agree on the heat loss - was just thinking out loud ....

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Re: Fuel Injection Systems Part 2
« Reply #139 on: September 03, 2023, 06:48:18 PM »
I had a quick trial with these injectors today. The workshop I use has been reorganised so the area I can use has a parquet floor rather than concrete so my 'workmate' is rather more lively.

A cold start with the needle injector was as good as last time, supporting the airlock theory.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHYDfQaNw98" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHYDfQaNw98</a>

The open injector would not fire properly at all, there was some light blue smoke and a few pops but nothing useful. Most of the fuel came straight out of the exhaust  :(

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6O0ms1kg7c" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6O0ms1kg7c</a>

As a confirmation I refitted the needle injector which performed as before.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nynKOU7mE0E" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nynKOU7mE0E</a>

If you look carefully you can see the fuel leaking past the needle coming out of the hole in the spring adjusting screw. Maybe I need to add a return pipe.


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Roger

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Re: Fuel Injection Systems Part 2
« Reply #140 on: September 03, 2023, 11:01:47 PM »
Easy starting with the old model Injectors  :ThumbsUp:

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If you look carefully you can see the fuel leaking past the needle coming out of the hole in the spring adjusting screw. Maybe I need to add a return pipe.

Considering that this engine isn't using much fuel (or most likely not doing so) - it is certainly a percentage lost that way. It appears to contain some polutants too - so if you decide to do so, run it through a filter ...

I guess that you already have a seal where it leaks ....  :noidea:

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