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Offline London_lighterman

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Drain cocks
« on: July 15, 2025, 01:29:07 PM »
A'noon all.

I have a loco to repair, the drain cocks on the underside of the cylinder are of the taper plug type working together from a lever in the cab.
Please tell me is there a specific reason that these type are used and if a valve with a parallel plug machined with a shoulder to the rear.

I have been thinking this through and I maybe snow blind with it now so hence the appeal for some wise words.

regards M

Offline Roger B

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2025, 07:52:49 PM »
I believe that a taper was used to allow the plug to be ground/lapped into the valve body. It did not require precise machining to obtain a good seal.

A parallel plug will require an accurate bore to be machined along with a matching plug. A taper plug will just require a tapered D bit reamer to be machined at the same setting as the plugs.
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Offline Jasonb

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2025, 08:02:45 PM »
As Roger says the tapered cocks tended to be used where they were sealing against pressure. On something like a water supply from a tender to pump a parallel sides valve may have been used.

Tapered are easy to make, lap to a good seal and can be held in close contact by either a nut pulling the tapered cock into the valve dody or a stuffing gland and nut pushing it in.

Some model makers use a parallel design but have a PTFE insert which is a firm fit and takes care of sealing and any slight deviation in machining.

Offline Charles Lamont

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2025, 08:27:43 PM »
One view - I can't remember where from, and will have to paraphrase: "The taper plug cock was invented by the ancient Romans, and has been used ever since. It has been a piece of crap for 2000 years."

Offline springcrocus

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2025, 10:18:37 PM »
..... It has been a piece of crap for 2000 years."
I quite agree! I built two sets of tapered three-cock gauge-glass valves for my 5" gauge Britannia and just couldn't get them to seal. Eventually, I remade them as parallel bore with two miniature "O" rings and they worked perfectly. There is a write-up somewhere on my website if anyone is interested.
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Offline crueby

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2025, 10:31:36 PM »
As mentioned, lapping them will get a great seal. I've  used fine Timesavers compound.   They seal and work great.

Offline Jasonb

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2025, 07:29:20 AM »
Yes lapping seems to help a lot, I use Silicone Carbide powder and oil



Also cut the cock and the tapered reamer at the same lathe setting


Offline London_lighterman

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Re: Drain cocks
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2025, 10:49:42 AM »
Thank you all for your help and input!

I think a suitable reamer will be made and a stock of bodies made for the winter shedding.


 

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