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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #255 on: May 22, 2023, 02:52:06 AM »
The pistons were made from 7075 aluminum. I mentioned earlier in the build post that I decided from the onset to use commercial piston rings for the O5 as opposed to making my own. I wasn’t sure I would be up to the task of rings on a first engine build. Maybe not so much machining the rings & fixtures, but doing the proper treating for the gap because I don’t have an oven & wasn’t quite sure about using a torch. I wanted to provide the engine the best chance to run, so this seemed logical at the time given all the other variables of engine building. As mentioned during liner making, buying the rings might be kind of false logic, or at least on a multi-cylinder engine, because it thereby requires you to make each cylinder bore identical to one another, to a correct dimension within tenths and to a correct finish, 5 times plus spare(s). Collectively, I think is more work & more challenging.

The O5 bore is essentially the same as an OS 56 4-stroke (0.56 CI). So along with the rings I also I purchased a single piston to replicate the ring grove dimensions and slight diameter reduction around the crown. Picture shows the commercial die cast? piston alongside my tester blank. Also of interest, the OS piston ring dimensions & open gap with is pretty much bang on what Trimble method works out to. The pistons are 0.0025" undersized to liner so just requires careful finishing & measuring using the same micrometer.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #256 on: May 22, 2023, 02:53:43 AM »
The ring groove was cut using an undersized Nikcole grooving tool. I set up a tenth’s indicator on the carriage to better monitor carriage displacement. The width was verified with a feeler gauge stack matched to the O.S. piston. The inner diameter (depth of ring groove) was measured with blade micrometer.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #257 on: May 22, 2023, 02:54:32 AM »
The piston blank was parted off oversize, flipped & trimmed to length. I used tape to protect the finish from the collet. 

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #258 on: May 22, 2023, 02:55:23 AM »
The 5mm wristpin holes were drilled & reamed while the blank was still solid. On my initial tester, I drilled the hole after internal material was removed, but I didn’t like the feel of the drilling through the wall, breaking out in the middle & continuing the hole through to the other side. I couldn't actually measure out-of-square but just preferred this solid method, basically pecking 0.050", clear chips & repeat.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #259 on: May 22, 2023, 02:56:03 AM »
Re-chuck the pistons back in the lathe to drill a 0.375” pilot hole to remove material & counterbore the skirt ID.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #260 on: May 22, 2023, 02:57:08 AM »
I made a mill clamp fixture to hold the piston orientated to a dummy wrist pin dowel. Then the rod clearance slot was milled away.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #261 on: May 22, 2023, 02:57:56 AM »
The non critical edges were lightly deburred with rubber abrasive, part cleaned & dimensions confirmed. I installed a ring to do a test fit in a lightly oiled liner. Insertion & movement felt about right and the ring gap seemed the same as the commercial assembly.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #262 on: May 22, 2023, 06:47:12 PM »
The wrist pins were made from O1 drill rod, brought to diameter using the sandpaper lapping block method previously described. I reamed the piston and rod holes the same diameter so the piston fit was a snug sliding fit. And I lapped the rod hole using super fine compound just slightly to what I thought felt like a close running fit. The rods always seemed to require a bit touch up after drilling the oil bleed holes (internal burr?). The wristpins are solid but each end is drilled slightly to accept aluminum pads on either end intended to wear vs scratch the liner bore should the wristpin drift. I have seen Teflon pads used in commercial engines but I didn’t have the right material & was less confident of how to retain them.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #263 on: May 22, 2023, 06:48:33 PM »
I hardened the wristpins using torch method. I’m not sure hardening is required because they run inside aluminum.

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #264 on: May 22, 2023, 06:52:54 PM »
The aluminum end pads had a little bleed hole drilled through which I learned the hard way is required, otherwise they can ‘hydraulic’ when the Loctite is applied & can set up in an incorrect position. I left the diameters slightly oversize so that once bonded, they get blended to the pin diameter, chamfered & finish length in one lathe operation.

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« Reply #265 on: May 22, 2023, 06:53:53 PM »
Assembly pics

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #266 on: May 22, 2023, 08:05:26 PM »
Wow, very tidy work, Petertha!  :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #267 on: May 23, 2023, 01:25:49 AM »
Nice work petertha!
Looks like the 7075 machines very crisply (particularly the milled pockets), without pickup on the tool.
Consistent tiny chamfers and your deburring methods leave a wonderful level of finish.
John
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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #268 on: May 23, 2023, 01:36:47 AM »
The aluminum end pads had a little bleed hole drilled through which I learned the hard way is required, otherwise they can ‘hydraulic’ when the Loctite is applied & can set up in an incorrect position. I left the diameters slightly oversize so that once bonded, they get blended to the pin diameter, chamfered & finish length in one lathe operation.

Oh that little trick is getting filed away for the 917..   Nice work Pethetha!

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Re: Ohrndorf 5 Cylinder Radial
« Reply #269 on: July 23, 2023, 10:45:06 PM »
Next up is the intake manifold assembly. Hopefully this topic won’t put many of you to sleep. After making the components according to plans, some issues came to light and & I ended up adapting things a bit differently. Maybe some of the modifications & reasons behind them will also be of interest to those contemplating a similar build.

The manifold part is bolted to the rear of the crankcase using 10x M3 screws. The forward-facing section is basically a lip machined to fit snugly inside the crankcase housing ID. It also incorporates an O-ring for seal which I noticed was not featured on the O9 radial. The middle flange section has 5x M4 threaded holes for motor mount standoffs to connect the engine to the firewall. The rear section is the manifold where the intake tubes tie into & carb is mounted into.

On each intake stroke, fuel mist is drawn through the carb, into the manifold’s center hole, into the crankcase chamber (red dots). Because oil is premixed with the methanol fuel, the intake mist lubricates the components within the crankcase before carrying on to the heads. This is typical RC engine style lubrication. Fuel mist exits rearward from the crankcase, out through one of the 5 manifold holes (orange dots) through its respective intake tube into the head’s intake port.

If you recall earlier in the build description, the plans call for the nose case chamber to be partially filled with an oil bath to splash lubricate the front-end components, the cam plates, cam bearings, lifters & planetary gear train. In other words, a separate lubrication system to the rear crankcase mist flow. After much indecision & hand wringing on this issue, I decided not go this route for now. Rather, I opened up the front gear plate with an array of apertures (holes) working around the existing idler gear & bearing layout. So, I’m depending on the same incoming mist to carry on further forward into the nose case & also lubricate the nose case jewelry.

From what I can tell, this mode is similar to other methanol glow radials such as Jung designs, commercial engines like OS & Saito, possibly others. I do feel there is a bit of risk here because the crankshaft counterweight & master/link rod assembly blank out a healthy percentage of open flow area apertures & the O5 seems a bit more crowded compared to these engines. If my decision turns out to be a lubrication fail, hopefully damage will be something short of catastrophic & I will have to revert to a nose case oil bath.

 

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