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Supporting => Vehicles & Models => Topic started by: J.L. on April 13, 2019, 04:07:44 PM

Title: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 13, 2019, 04:07:44 PM
It is with great pleasure that I begin the construction of this iconic Japanese locomotive with the support of the membership - with the understanding that it is a pre-machined model of steel, brass and die-cast metals.

The class D51 2-8-2 engines were built in Japan mainly, but other countries as well, from 1936 to 1945. D51 200 has been preserved in operational condition by RJ West at Umekoji Steam Locomotive Museum in Kyoto, and has been operating on Yamaguchi Line since November 2017.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 13, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
The kit is very well organized. When it was originally sold, the intention was that it be shipped to the customer one month at a time - cost being a factor. Now the kit can be purchased all at once. I was rather shocked when the delivery van pulled up loaded with boxes.

Here they are in the front hall.  :o
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 13, 2019, 05:20:10 PM
Let's have a look into box one.
I am very impressed wtth the way things are organized. Every part has its own plastic well in a vaccuum formed plastic tray. Even the bolts are lined up in rows and set into the tray vertically.
The first box has a DVD (in Japanese) and a very clear information and construction stapled booklet.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Kim on April 13, 2019, 05:26:46 PM
Wow, it really is presented well, isn't it?

Looking forward to watching you build this.  It will be quite interesting.   :popcorn: :popcorn:

And if required, you have the equipment to make a replacement part! :)

Kim
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 13, 2019, 06:31:28 PM
Thanks Kim.

You agreed with me about how well the parts are presented. Here is visual proof of that.  My finger is pointing at 10 2 x 5mm screws standing like little soldiers in their specially formed well.

Quite Impressive I think.  :ThumbsUp:

John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: crueby on April 13, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
Looks like a great kit of a great looking engine, it has a nice balanced look.


 :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: BAH on April 13, 2019, 07:15:19 PM
Looks like an interesting build. So...you thinking of a scale locomotive repair shop to put this into?
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: wagnmkr on April 13, 2019, 07:48:35 PM
I already asked John that question ... there wasn't an answer ... yet!

Tom
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: b.lindsey on April 13, 2019, 08:15:48 PM
Wow! That is a lot of boxes John. Looking forward to the build though and thanks for showing it here.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Johnmcc69 on April 13, 2019, 10:10:19 PM
Glad to see you decided to post this John!
 Pretty nice looking kit.
 :popcorn:
 John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: kvom on April 14, 2019, 01:07:29 AM
The class D51 2-8-2 engines were built in Japan mainly, but other countries as well, from 1936 to 1945. D51 200 has been preserved in operational condition by RJ West at Umekoji Steam Locomotive Museum in Kyoto, and has been operating on Yamaguchi Line since November 2017.

I visited that museum in Kyoto a couple of years ago.  One of the best railroad museums ever.  I also went to the one in Saitama, a 45 minute train ride from Tokyo.  Also excellent.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Chipswitheverything on April 14, 2019, 11:37:20 AM
As anticipated, this does look as if it will be quite a fascinating kit build, and of an unusual prototype for most of us. The packing and presentation is very fastidious, to say the least, but you must have been mighty surprised to see the pile of boxes that will produce a loco , what? about 33" long?  when assembled...!   All looks pretty exciting..   Dave
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 14, 2019, 06:36:20 PM
Hi Chris,
 Good observation - it does have a nice balanced look.

Hi John,
 Me too.

Hi Kvom,
 Thanks for sharing. That must have been a wonderful visit. This D51 200 was built in 1938 at the JNR Hamamatsu factory. It's 19.7 m long, weighs 125.1 tons and has a maximum speed of 85 km/h.

Hi Dave,
 Good guess. In 1:24 scale it's 34.65" long. When finished, it will weigh 22.9 lbs.

The first part I've made is the sign for the smoke door.It carries a lot of information. The first letter indicates the number of driving wheels; D means four smaller driving wheels, C means three larger driving wheels. (There is a C57 kit available from this company as well)  The 50 to 99 numbers means the coal and water are carried in a tender. If they were 10 -  49,  the locomotive itself carries the coal and water. The last three numbers are the serial number of the engine and in this case means it was the 200th D51 that was made.

Oh what you can learn from the internet!  ;)
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Steamer5 on April 15, 2019, 07:19:25 AM
Hi John,
 That looks like a great project!

 :popcorn: :popcornsmall: :popcornsmall: thatís better!

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Admiral_dk on April 15, 2019, 12:10:23 PM
Oh man that is big and as stated fantastic attention to detail in documentation, parts and packaging  :praise2:

 :cheers:   :popcorn:   :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 15, 2019, 02:13:28 PM
Yes fellows, the care given to the packaging and documentation speaks volumes about the quality of this product.

Some fellows like a brass engine. I am not one of them. This means more time has to be spent planning assembly and waiting 24 hours for a primer to dry.

Serious assembly begins with the smokebox and smokebox door with operating hinges. The brass tube was overrolled so that when it was pulled back to a circle, its seam snapped tight around the boiler ring.  :ThumbsUp:

I made a jig so that I could rotate the tube as it was being primed. The first coat was applied last night; the second 'dry to the touch flat finish'  was photographed this morning.

 
Title: Priming and Painting
Post by: J.L. on April 15, 2019, 09:27:56 PM
I can question only one thing about the sequential instructions for this project. I jumped the gun and went to the last booklet of instructions. Book twelve raised the option of leaving the engine brass or painting it. The very last booklet!

Instructions were given to spray a little bit of paint into the cap of the spray can and use a very tiny brush to get at parts difficult to access with the spray paint.

I take issue with this. In my view every part should be carefully thought out, primed and painted as the construction progresses. That approach will be used as the engines develops.

This probably doubles the assembly time, but isn't this a hobby where time on the project is fun and enjoyable?

Just my thoughts.  :old:

John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: b.lindsey on April 16, 2019, 01:16:38 AM
Sounds reasonable to me John. Good that you looked ahead, though I guess that was of no help really. I like your way better.

Bill
Title: The Spark Arrester
Post by: J.L. on April 16, 2019, 02:58:15 PM
While the primer is drying on the chimney, I have assembled its spark arrester. It is made of 5 pieces and has a cone shaped brass mesh and a smaller mesh section below. They are soft soldered.

This attention to detail is impressive. It's one of those parts that nobody sees, but the builder has fun making them and knowing they are there.  :D

In this case, the smokedoor can be opened to see it, but in reality, who is going to do that when the model is finished and sitting proudly in its display case?

It will probably be painted an ash grey.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Admiral_dk on April 16, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
What a beautiful part and as you say - it won't be seen  :praise2:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 17, 2019, 08:58:56 PM
Yes, a beautiful part.

I have changed my primer. After consulting with an expert, I went back to an etching primer that has a better potential of grabbing the brass. Apparently even so, brass will eventually eat its way out through anything you attempt to put on it. It's just the nature of the metal - it gives something off from within itself.

On to some other interesting parts. I am holding a pre-drilled ball shaped brass stanchion. Very nice. Handrails already rolled to the correct curve fit into those holes.

This smokebox is almost ready for a second coat of primer. 



Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: b.lindsey on April 17, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
Coming along well John. Fun to watch as well.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 18, 2019, 09:13:39 PM
Thanks Bill.

The smokebox is developing nicely. Some. parts such as the nameplate, light lens, door locking wheel handle and locking lever can not be applied to the model until after it is painted. It's kind of frustrating, beause you want to see what things will look like now!

The light diode is in place behind the masking tape. It could be months before I test it to see that it works. I have read that some fellows have had some difficulties with the electrics.

Time will tell.


Title: The Lens
Post by: J.L. on April 18, 2019, 09:27:20 PM
Speaking of that lens. It is not simply a flat piece of plastic. It is made of plastic, but it is striated and has radii like a real lens. It looks as though the center section with a different radius may focus the light as an actual lens of this sort would do.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: b.lindsey on April 19, 2019, 12:07:57 AM
They have certainly paid a lot of attention to details John. The lens is a great example of that.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 21, 2019, 11:55:23 AM
Hi Bill,
Agreed.
The only bit of machining I have had to do on the first stage of this build is drill oil holes in the oil boxes on the coupling rods. On the real engine, I would think there would either be an oil cup (capped)  or a grease fitting attached there.

 
Title: Pack 1
Post by: J.L. on April 21, 2019, 12:00:22 PM
This concludes stages 1-8 of Pack 1.
Completed (almost) are:
The smokebox, chimney, feedwater system, first drive wheels with coupling rods and the front deck with its maintenance hatch and lamp hooks.

I do not understand the function of the release lever.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: cnr6400 on April 21, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Do you mean the lever on the pilot beam? If so the lever lifts the pin on the Janney style coupler, to allow the laws of it to open and uncouple the cars.

Great job on the assembly so far! Looks like a beautiful kit.
Title: Steps
Post by: J.L. on April 21, 2019, 04:44:31 PM
Thanks, but I'm not sure we are talking about the same bar. In the photos a light steel rod with a handle in the middle has two hooks on each side. Surely they do not fasten cars together?  :o

Pack two begins with steps on the front and at the sides of the front deck. By comparison, the third photo of an American engine shows elaborate steps and raiings. But on the Japanese  D51, simple steps suffice. The lower steps are actually set into the inspection doors.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: crueby on April 21, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
I think CNR is correct, it would lift the pin in the coupler, releasing it. The rod itselft does not take any strain, its just a control lever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janney_coupler#/media/File:Train_coupling.jpg
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: wagnmkr on April 21, 2019, 05:38:55 PM
Good looking stuff there John. I think, if you cheat and look ahead to where the couplers go on, you will find something that will go from the middle of the long bar, straight down to the pin in the coupler. Moving the pin up, unlocks the coupler.  All will be revealed! From the level of detain shown so far, I don't think they will leave that bit out.

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: crueby on April 21, 2019, 05:44:09 PM

Just looked again at the picture of the front assembly, that loop in the middle is where the link or chain to the coupler pin attaches, as the loops at the ends are pulled up by hand that would raise the center loop to pull the pin.
Amazing amount of detail in those parts!   :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 21, 2019, 07:45:59 PM
Ah, now I understand. Thanks fellows for the info and thanks Chris for the photo. Yes, there has to be a way to pull that pin.

I am fortunate to have such kind mentors.

I am coming into some interesting terminology now. I know some of the terms, but I will learn as I go with motion bars, valve tail guides and such.

The rivets in these two pictures do indicate the level of detail. They are 2mm long and although cosmetic, all 16 are real.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 21, 2019, 10:15:19 PM
I think the engine really starts to develop with the assembly of the sub-frames...
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: b.lindsey on April 21, 2019, 11:14:05 PM
It certainly a well done kit from the pictures so far John. Looks like you are having fun with it too.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: crueby on April 21, 2019, 11:49:03 PM
Nice! Amazing how quickly the shape comes together.


Are you going to do a roundhouse or station platform diorama to go with this loco?
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 23, 2019, 04:38:27 PM
Thanks Chris.

Yes, a diorama like the ones you suggest woud be wonderful. However, this engine is too long!

Also, I have chosen to display it in a showcase designed specificaly for it. Actually Chris, the base of the engine has four switches on it. So it is purposely designed for singular display. The motor in the engine runs the train in place on ball bearing wheels set into the track.

This photo shows M2 x 2mm Phillips screws for fastening parts. I don't think a Phillips headed screw was ever envisioned in the time frame this engine represents. But they seem to have their appeal nevertheless. They will probably blend in better when the engine is painted and topcoated.

Title: Piston Rods
Post by: J.L. on April 24, 2019, 02:15:58 PM
For some strange reason, the kit provided 5/32"brass piston rods.  :shrug:

They were discarded and replaced with steel ones. I made the front dummy extension rods myself from 3/16" soft steel, but bought some 5/32" drill rod for the rear rods that slide in the cylinder.

Title: Pack Two
Post by: J.L. on April 24, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
Pack Two with Stages 9-16 is complete. The photos show the crossheads also in place which is Stage 17 of Pack Three.  We are up to 261 parts so far - rivets included.

The Model is ready now for its second coat of etch primer.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 24, 2019, 07:02:04 PM
Anybody need a little wrench?
Title: A Nice Touch
Post by: J.L. on April 24, 2019, 07:04:14 PM
The kit comes with a metal tray to hold little parts. At first I was not aware of it, but the little square on the right is magnetic.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 24, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
The packaging is very well orgainzed as well.

I believe the die castings are made with zinc.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: b.lindsey on April 24, 2019, 07:10:23 PM
They certainly have though of everything haven't they John, That tray will be useful beyond this project as well.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Admiral_dk on April 24, 2019, 08:34:16 PM
I was going to comment on the fine details on the parts on the frame and then you add the picture of the tools too - to say that I'm impressed would be an understatement  :praise2:

Oh before I forget - nice paint job John and I hope that you will win the fight against your cancer.

Best wish

Per
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: J.L. on April 24, 2019, 10:16:06 PM
Yes Bill, this is a good company. They know what they are doing - with the exception of brass piston rods.  :Lol:

Per,
Thank you. I appreciate your comments very much. I go to Toronto Friday to have an MRI with contrast to see what that tumour is doing. From what I see as I walk with my wife through the halls of the Odette Cancer Centre, I appreciate how lucky I am.
John

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive
Post by: Steamer5 on April 25, 2019, 05:46:42 AM
Hi John,
 What an amazingly detailed kit! You are going to need up with a very nice model. Enjoying the build.

Sorry to hear about your forth coming trip, I hope all goes well. Having had a recent scare myself, all good thankfully, i can appreciate what you may be going thru. I had contrast with a CT scan & now appreciate what my good lady of a certain age goes thu! Itís a very weird sensation!

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 25, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Thanks Kerrin.

The motion frame is mounted on the underframe. I do not know what a motion frame is! It also has a reverse shaft? (brass)

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 25, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
The Suspension Part 1: (83 parts)

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Johnmcc69 on April 25, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
As mentioned before...beautiful details!

 You're making great progress John! I'm really enjoying following along.

 John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 25, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Hi John,

I'm happy that you are enjoying following along with this build. Although I havent made the parts, I'm  thoroughly enjoying assembling them.

I am beginning to downsize my shop due to health issues. I have sold my General 160 wood lathe, my 13" thickness planer and my floor stand drill press.

Time to think of the future.

This photo shows my principle workshop now - my model desk!  :Lol:


I still have hopes of finishingf that Lincoln double cylinnder stationary mill engine for the unfinished diorama, so the metal lathe and the milling machine remain.

Cheers...John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on April 25, 2019, 10:48:17 PM
It's fun to see as each new part or section is added John. All the best on the health issues.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Johnmcc69 on April 25, 2019, 11:15:01 PM
Nothing wrong with assembling parts John, sometimes we all need a change or distraction. You're still keeping at it.

 I'm hoping this will be a good way to get others into this hobby. I'm happy you posted it!

 Sorry to hear you had to let machines go, but your model desk is pretty nice & will be able to afford (build) adding this next to my computer in my humble workshop (basement).

 Keep 'em coming John....
 :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 26, 2019, 09:12:57 PM
Thank you very much for the kind words and encouragement John.  Appreciated.

Here is work assembling the first part of the suspension...


Title: Correction
Post by: J.L. on April 27, 2019, 01:08:09 AM
Do you see the correction in the second photo after comparing it to the first one?

When I was studying the photos for thethird and fourth set of leaf springs I noticed that the springs are mounted under their straps, not sitting on top of them.  ::)

Correction made tonight.


Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Admiral_dk on April 27, 2019, 12:17:10 PM
Makes quite good sense as breaking one of those bolts will collapse the lokomotive when placed on top.
Placeing the spring "in the loop" reduces the load on the bolts to being guides => much higher reliability.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 27, 2019, 06:21:44 PM
Quite so Per.

I did not know that only one end of the banded leaf springs was allowed to float. One end was bolted firmly to the frame and the other end was fastened to the pivoting equalizer bar seen here. A bush was used to keep it from touching the frame and logner bushes at each end of the bar kept the link straps from also making contact with the frame.

Title: Pack 3
Post by: J.L. on April 28, 2019, 11:24:39 AM
Pack 3 is now complete.

The first two sets of wheels slipped nicely down into their frame recesses and were fastened to the leaf springs.


Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on April 28, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
Really taking shape  John. Looking like a real locomotive now...very impressive!!

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 28, 2019, 03:52:21 PM
Thanks Bill.
I am learning a lot about the engineering involved as I go along.

These shots show the installation of the split axle boxes. They are grooved on each side so they can slip down into the frame. The axle box guards hold everything in place
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on April 28, 2019, 04:01:46 PM
Clever design - when I first looked at the photos I thought they were eccentric followers. The arm out the end looks to go down (up?) to the leaf springs?
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 28, 2019, 05:44:20 PM
Hi Chris,

Yes, you are right. The arm cast on the end of the axle box goes up past the frame and is fastened to the reinforcing band surrounding the leaf springs.

Thanks for asking.

 I agree. This kit has been very carefully thought out.
Title: Coupling Rods
Post by: J.L. on April 28, 2019, 08:36:21 PM
After scratching my head awhile  :thinking:,and  crawling around on the floor looking for bushings, I think I am ready to try a third install of the coupling rods.

Each one is unique and it's easy to get the parts mixed up.

Title: The Coupling Rods
Post by: J.L. on April 29, 2019, 12:16:36 AM
Connected!

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: derekwarner on April 29, 2019, 01:39:38 AM
JL...just digressing...are these kit bushes ....Sintered Bronze Bushes....[Oil-lite?] - [Sinterlloy?] or any one of the manufactures names...

We also see what I believe is an oil hole in top of the the motion arm, which would serve as the oiling point cup

If so, and going forward ....have you read the directions as to the recommended Grade of oil to be used?

Derek
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 29, 2019, 01:57:37 AM
Hi Derek,
You are way over the top with your assumptions. The oil holes were never meant to be there.They are just cosmetic,  I knew the projections cast were meant to be oil boxes so I drilled a dummy hole in them for appearance. I think the bushes are simply brass - and they wouldn't work anyway with oil, because there is no hole driled into them.

The purpose of the bushes is to provide clearance on each side of the rods to avoid binding when the bolts are drawn up tightly.
John
Title: The Connecting Rods
Post by: J.L. on April 29, 2019, 03:01:38 PM
Here are a series of sequential shots showing the installation of a connecting rod to the third wheel
1. The end of connceting rod is lying on the wheel and the brass pin is waiting for a bush.
2. A  flanged bush is on the pin.
3. The connecting rod is placed on the pin.
4. It now receives a brass bush.
5. An eccentric arm is fastened to the pin securing all parts.
6. The connected connecting rod.
Title: Assembling the Valve Gear
Post by: J.L. on April 29, 2019, 07:53:29 PM
This is indeed a complex part of the engine's construction. The instruction booklet simply advises looking at the diagram for right and left side and use it to assemble the many parts - that would be combination lever; connecting link; hanging link, piston valve spindle and expansion links.
 
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 29, 2019, 07:56:29 PM
Now, for someone who knows nothing about where this linkage goes, it's time to get this gear in place...
 ::)   ::)   ::)
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 30, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
Actually, the parts went into place quite easily.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on April 30, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
Great looking mechanism, they did a great job making that kit.   :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on April 30, 2019, 08:10:15 PM
Amazing how fast this is going together John. It's really looking great.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on April 30, 2019, 08:35:27 PM
Thanks Bill,

You must remember though that every hole is drilled and if necessary tapped for screws (metric). Every curve in sheet metal parts have been rolled to the correct radius.

Everything fits together like a glove.

I've got to slow down. I'm enjoying it too much and don't want to stop when I get going! My wife says I'm obsessed with it.

With spring activities outdoors and general deck paint touch-ups, maybe I can be distracted for awhile.

But then there's that boiler...  :LickLips:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 01, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
With some of my machinery gone in the basement now, I decided to repaint the floor.
Rather than sit there and watch it dry, I had a look at the first boiler shell. When I saw it in its plastic receptical, I thought it would  just be thin sheet brass. But when I lifted it out, it was heavy.

The vernier caliper measured it at .74mm.

Note: You can see that gravity got the better of my caliper last year. It has been replaced but this one was close at hand, Still works!

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 01, 2019, 02:24:55 PM
Not to digress John, but what did you paint your floor with? Something I still need to do in the near future.

Bill
Title: Floor Paint
Post by: J.L. on May 01, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
Hi Bill,

The paint is a Solignnum product. It is called Solignum Concrete & Garage Floor Paint (3.78L). It is advertized as being the ultimate coating for a tough and durable finish.
I really like the way it went on. You feel a pull on the roller as it lays down a rich, thick coating. I think one coat is going to do it for me. And that's even over bare patches scrapped away from previous coatings with a putty knife.

Best of all, I avoided painting myself into a corner!

Cheers...John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 02, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
The superheater element plate closes the smokebox and helps support the lower half of hte boiler.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: wagnmkr on May 02, 2019, 11:57:25 AM
I see you gave up on waiting for the warmer weather for the gardening work! Me too!

That is amazing detail on those parts.

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 02, 2019, 02:14:44 PM
Thanks for the paint info John.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 02, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
You are very welcome Bill. Your reenovations look great!

Hi Tom,
I have a die casting I will show later in the build that you will not believe. I'll mention you when I show it.

John
Title: Boiler Bands
Post by: J.L. on May 03, 2019, 11:56:10 AM
Six narrow brass bands surround the boiler. A hole is stamped in their ends which are bent 90 degrees for fastening.
The bolts that hold them in place are very small - 1.4 x 7 mm.

The sixth band  shown fastened at the bottom (photo 3), has a larger diameter because it surrounds the transition of the boiler's diameter up to the firebox.
 
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 03, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
You can see the transition here...
Title: The Boiler Bands
Post by: J.L. on May 03, 2019, 02:03:31 PM
All six bands are in place.

The time is quickly approaching to remove all fingerprints from the brass and prime the boiler and firebox.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 03, 2019, 02:14:29 PM
Still following along with interest John. Can't get over how well planned out this kit is!!

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 03, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
Glad to have you looking overy my shoulder Bill. Sometimes when I'm on a roll, I just keep posting!

Time out here to have a look at some of the wonderful casting work. The best is yet to come, but these parts aren't bad.  :)

The hinged tube has a movable lever and locking lug that will secure the lid closed after it is installed.  :o
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on May 03, 2019, 04:36:04 PM
Oooh, I dunno - One of those rivets in the last photo is .000147" too large in diameter.  :mischief:

I'm just kidding, the parts are superb in this kit. Your assembly looks great too! Well done!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Kim on May 03, 2019, 11:40:56 PM
Wow!  Just amazing little fittings.  Wonderful detail!
Kim
Title: The Sand Dome 1
Post by: J.L. on May 04, 2019, 07:04:43 PM
Hi Kim,
Agreed!

The sand dome is destinctive and quite attractive to these locomotives. I think making one from scratch would be a nightmare. Expecially getting the curves to sit down on top of the boiler.

Title: The Sand Dome 2
Post by: J.L. on May 04, 2019, 07:17:16 PM
But it is the fastening of the dome to the boiler that fascinates me. Imagine a ring of instant glue around the dome as you attempt to set it in place. :insane:

The designers have addressed that problem beautifully. You know exactly where that sand dome is going to land. The answer is in the lid tube (photo 1).

There is a small hole at the bottom of the tube (photo 2).

A screwdriver passes down through the tube and engages a projecting threaded screw and threads into a hole in the boiler (photo 3).

Notice also the detail in the locking mechanism of the lid. A locking lever with a little curl at the end engages a latch. It slides back and forth to lock and release the lid through a slot in the lid.

Now that's model engineering.

John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 05, 2019, 08:26:01 PM
Now the boiler is attached to the smokebox and firebox and is degreased and primed.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Johnmcc69 on May 06, 2019, 04:27:11 AM
 :ThumbsUp:
 Great work John!
 :popcorn:

 John
Title: The Sand Pipes
Post by: J.L. on May 06, 2019, 10:09:57 PM
Thanks John.

The sand pipes were a challenge. When viewed first hand, they looked like wires bent in every angle known to geometry.

The first task was to pair them up. Then each pipe had to be fitted to its tap and arranged so that it would follow the curve of the boiler donw to the bottom where it was fasened by a cleer holder. Then each pipe had to be fastened to the boiler with a bracket.

I did not have to bend one pipe. They all were pre-bent to fit in a certain place. The trick was to find where each one went in! :embarassed:

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Chipswitheverything on May 07, 2019, 01:12:14 PM
Enjoying your excellent write up and photo gallery of this build John. The attention given to the design of this kit is very commendable, and seems very much better than that of many of the smaller scale loco kits that are supplied, ( typically for O gauge ).  I wonder if the kit manufacturer has happened to see your build log, which would certainly be of great interest to prospective customers, and an endorsement of the kit loco's quality  ?     Dave
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 07, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the nice comments. This company actually has a forum within it. Customers can ask questions or share comments about their builds. With the D51 for example,there is an official build with comments and photos. Quite extensive.
John

http://forum.us.model-space.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=127
Title: Pack 5
Post by: J.L. on May 07, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
Stage 40 of Pack 5 concludes with the addition of a reservoir on the left side of the lower firebox and a bleed valve on lower right firebox.

The whistle and safety valves in brass will be removed for painting. The rust coloured ash pan (lower firebox) will be masked.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on May 07, 2019, 06:49:52 PM
Great looking parts - those guys spent some money on good tooling!
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 07, 2019, 07:39:59 PM
I agree Chris. Here are some details starting on the backhead.
Title: The Backhead
Post by: J.L. on May 08, 2019, 12:43:55 PM
Making and dressing up the backhead was very interesting work. It is not finished yet. I am finding images of gauges on the internet, printing them out and reducing them to fit into their rims.

Several pictures show the movement of the firebox doors, There are gears at the top just under the air cylinder that mesh together and are operated by the handle.

I really like the triangular sight glasses -  three pieces of flat glass. Metallic silver was all I could find to represent glass.

You know, like the front door that opens to reveal the smokebox spark arrester, the operating lid on the sand dome and now the handle that operates the firebox doors, these parts may never be operated, The finished engine will have its own appeal and such detais will be forgotten. Nevertheless, they are there and can be appreciated by the builder and anyone interested enough to hear me ramble on about them.  ::)
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 08, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
The backhead alone is a work of art John. Please keep the pictures coming.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 08, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
Thanks Bill,

Before I bolt the finished backhead in place I thought I'd take a novelty shot.

Imagine you are inside the boiler looking forward to the smokebox. All the pipes have been removed and all you see are their flanged holes.

Something to remember when all is finished and this image is hidden forever.

John



Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 08, 2019, 05:41:03 PM
The backhhead going into position...
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on May 08, 2019, 07:32:32 PM
Hi John, enjoyed your pictures. That backhead looks terrific!  Liked the "boilermakers' eye view" toward the tubeplate.
Title: The Running Boards 1
Post by: J.L. on May 09, 2019, 02:40:13 PM
Thanks! That boiler shot was interesting to shoot.

Here is a family shot of some of the parts that make up the two running boards. Each section of the running board on the model  consists of two pieces of metal plate. During the Second World War, these running boards were replaced with wood.

The top one is diamond patterned for tread safety and the sub plate is bolted to the boiler. The sub plate also has a 90 degree bend in it to for a trim strip. On some engines, these was painted white.

To my mind, now is the time to paint those white strips. As I have mentioned earlier, painting suggestions are not mentioned in these kit books until the last book - an error in my judgement. Doing the job now ensures clean, crisp painted edges with no brushwork.




Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 09, 2019, 03:05:58 PM
What amazes me John is the investment these guys have made in lost was casting molds and die punch tooling to produce all the parts. They must be selling a lot of these to amortize those costs which makes the cost of the kit all the more reasonable all things considered.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 09, 2019, 04:12:36 PM
Hi Bill,
I was going to hold off on showing one part that simply makes my jaw drop. But since you have brought up the quality of the lost wax castings, I have to show these three pictures of the compressor now.

Tom, I said I would mention you as well when I showed this part.

The amazing thing about this part is that a pipe will come out of it and go to regulator, also cast beautifully.

Wait until I get to the left air reservoir and cooling tubes!  :o
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 09, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
Wow  :o

Bill
Title: The Running Boards 2
Post by: J.L. on May 09, 2019, 07:26:21 PM
The boards are finished on the left side of the engine. You can see how paintig the sub-plates white before installation has made it so easy to get this look.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on May 09, 2019, 07:52:47 PM
Hello JL,

Coming along quite nicely :ThumbsUp:

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 09, 2019, 09:02:49 PM
Thanks Thomas.

Now for the running boards on the right side of the engine.

When I picked up this heavy part, I thought it was simply a tool box. But upon checking the parts list, I found it was an oil pump box.

Silly me.

It's solid zinc!

There is a picture of it in the instruction booklet with the doors open. Quite a few operating parts in there with a crank handle.

It bolts up under the front right running board.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 10, 2019, 12:35:28 PM
You can see the oil pump box in place in this photo along with a check valve fastened to the side of the boiler above the running board. It has a pipe that runs forward into a pipe cover.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 10, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
The picture of the pump box doesn't appear as if the doors open though you referred to a picture in the instruction book where they were. Can you clarify that?

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 10, 2019, 03:48:48 PM
You are right Bill, the pump box is a solid casting of zinc. I learned about its contents by observing these pictures in the booklet.
Looks like a something being operated by a rotary crank. You can see the doors open.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: 10KPete on May 10, 2019, 04:16:17 PM
Mechanical lubricator...

Pete
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 10, 2019, 04:23:34 PM
Oh I see now...I was thinking the pictures were of the model and not the prototype. Thanks for the clarification John.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on May 10, 2019, 05:06:45 PM
Mechanical lubricator...

Pete
Yes - the longer arm in the picture would connect back to the valve rod or something like that, to push the long arm back and forth - inside would be a ratchet on the rotating part of the pump crank. The little handle let them turn it manually to put in extra oil for startup. Excellent details!
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 10, 2019, 06:56:22 PM
Thanks fellows. As we go along here, please jump in at any time when you see a part with a specific function of interest. I think we all would like to learn as much as we can about the many functions of an otherwise very confusing collection of engineered parts.

The first photo shows the threaded location for the compressor support bracket.
Photo two shows the compressor support bracket
Photo three shows the compressor with a regulator attached to an exiting pipe.
Photo four shows from right to left: discharge reservoir, filter(?) regulator above and compressor.
Photo five shows air reservoir and cooling tube (?) that will come out of the compressor.

Man this is fun!

John



Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on May 10, 2019, 08:47:44 PM
Hello JL,

All the parts that you have shown so far are absolutely beautiful, I am guessing that they all fit perfect. Enjoying this build.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Johnmcc69 on May 10, 2019, 09:29:11 PM
Man this is fun!
Yes, it is. Very enjoyable & lots to learn by following along.

 Good stuff John!

 John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: wagnmkr on May 11, 2019, 11:46:53 AM
The detail is incredible John!  Excellent building technique as always.

Tom
Title: The Left Air Reservoir and Cooling Tube
Post by: J.L. on May 11, 2019, 05:21:25 PM
Thanks fellows.

Don't really understand what is going on here, but the parts went into place very nicely. The pipes were bent perfectly to slide into thier respective holes.

The end bracket (photo 3) is made of two pieces - one behind the pipes and one in front.  Both are bolted together down through the floorboard.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on May 11, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
The compressed air coming out of the pump will be hot, the extra loops would let it cool. Not sure why they would need it to though...
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: kvom on May 11, 2019, 08:26:02 PM
The cooling coils are to condense water out of the air before it enters the reservoir.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on May 11, 2019, 08:26:39 PM
The cooling coils are to condense water out of the air before it enters the reservoir.
How is the water extracted? Wouldn't it just fill the pipe then flow into the resevoir?
Title: Pack 6
Post by: J.L. on May 11, 2019, 08:29:37 PM
Hi Chris,

Malybe someone will enlighten us. There is another one as well on the other side below the running boards. It's connected to a pump.

The front deck was completed March 20 and has been waiting patiently to be put in place. This happened with the completion of Pack 6.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: wagnmkr on May 11, 2019, 11:06:49 PM
John, your friend John V will likely know if you email him a pic.

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Steamer5 on May 12, 2019, 01:10:58 AM
Hi John,
 Stunning build! The detail is going to make her a very nice model.
On the compressor pipe work front, yep the water will end up in the tank, guessing in full size that it will have an automatic dump water trap, as per your home compressor, or the engineer would drain it on his regular round at each stop.

Cheers Kerrin

PS, canít wait to see the diorama you build for this one!
Title: The Art of Deception
Post by: J.L. on May 12, 2019, 03:55:47 PM
Hi Kerrin,
Unfortunately, there won't be a diorama for this one.  :'(
It is a model that can stand on its own in a glass case.
There is a diorama waiting for a Lincoln engine though, as you know.

I have been shown a model D51 made in Japan that makes the model I'm building here pale by comparison. However, lots of details are included with this one.

There is a trick I've seen and used before regarding attaching valves and other in-line pipe devices that look like they are in-line but are not. They simply clamp onto the pipe from the front. There is a rounded groove cut into the backside of them allowing this.  Cheating? Well maybe, but effective.

Here is a filter and a fire hydrant attached in this manner. Sorry, the fiter is out of focus.. :-\

P.S. It looks as though I got carried away with the glue around the bleed valve. The camera doesn't miss much.
Title: The Cab
Post by: J.L. on May 12, 2019, 10:17:46 PM
The cab looks as though it is almost a done deal when you see it in its styrene plastic container. But there are two instruction booklets dedicated to its construction.

Details really make a difference. Here we see trim around the windows as an example of this.
Title: LED's in the Firebox
Post by: J.L. on May 13, 2019, 10:38:41 AM
I distinctly remember the day a close friend visited my shop and suggested I put a little red light in the firebox of the Lancaster boiler built into the Texxtile Mill diorama.

Well guess what? The designers of this D51 kit have done just that with two LED's.

Should be interesting.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 13, 2019, 03:01:48 PM
They certainly have thought of everything John...nice to see when things are so well done by suppliers. I did recall you saying there was just a display care for this one, but an engine maintenance shed sure would have lots of possibilities as well.....just saying :)

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 14, 2019, 04:53:49 PM
You've got a good point Bill. Yes, a bank of mullioned windows behind; a sloping roof up towards us showing the beamwork and roof planking and large open doors swung back at both ends of the diorama,.

Alas this model is designed to be run by the operator. Swithces and electronics will add to the overall effect once the cover has been removed.

But I do see the possibilities you are suggesting.

This will be the first model I have not placed in a diorama setting. My wife would like to see it in its case on top of the server in our family room (upstairs).  ;D

The cab continues. I like the little eaves placed over the sliding windows.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: sco on May 14, 2019, 09:05:55 PM
John what do you mean when you say it is designed to be run by the operator - is it fitted with an electric motor?

Enjoying following the build immensely,

Simon.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on May 14, 2019, 10:00:03 PM
Hi John, if you should want to make the firebox LED's flicker, for more realism, there is a company in the USA called Circuitron, who offer an "arc welder" circuit. This circuit makes a very realistic arc flash / flicker effect with white LED's. It's intended to be used to detail industrial shop scenes on model railways of any scale. If you used such a circuit to drive one red LED as is and one white LED painted with orange model paint, it would give a very realistic coal fire colour and flicker. Just an idea. Your build of the D-51 is going great!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 14, 2019, 10:57:08 PM
Hi Simon. Thanks.
Yes, this engine will run in place by means of a a DC motor and worm gear.

Hi cnr (?)
Yes, I thought a flicker light would be nice as well. However, we do not know what the onboard computer has in store for us yet. Maybe it will osculate the voltage and give us that effect. Time will tell.

John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: mklotz on May 14, 2019, 11:11:12 PM
Maybe it will osculate the voltage and give us that effect.

I know its mathematical meaning and its amatory one but neither seems to fit here.  Is this the product of an autocorrector?
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 15, 2019, 01:14:56 PM
Hi Marv,
Sorry about that.

 Typo.

 I meant to type oscillate! Senior moment.

Now that the floor of the engine has to be installed. I wanted to be able to turn the model over without bending or damaging a pipe of breaking off a part. So the cradle was altered to rest the boiler section safely upside down.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 15, 2019, 02:23:07 PM
The upper floor has been bolted in place.

Before we turn the model over to place the cab, let's have a look at some of the interesting parts on each side under the floorboards.

The second picture shows the compressor with its components on the left side.

The third.shot shows the pump, fire hydrant and the filter on the right.
Title: Armrests
Post by: J.L. on May 15, 2019, 06:52:07 PM
While waiting for some epoxy to dry, I primed the armrests that will fit in the windows.
I've been raving about the details found on the Japanese D51 that took over four years to build, but this one isn't too shabby either.

I'd never thought about it before, but when you put your arm out of a window, your elbow sticks out further. So you would want the armrest padding to stick out the window as well.

But then, how do you close the window?

I looked at the castings closely and found that they pivot! There is a pivot  pin below the pad so that the rest can be tipped up vertically to let the window close as it passes the armrest.

This model has those articulated armrests.

Not bad.

John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 15, 2019, 09:52:46 PM
Not bad?? That is amazing John. They really have thought of everything!!

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 17, 2019, 12:40:54 PM
Yes, that's what I thought too until I saw that Japanese model of the D51.

I ran into my first glitch. When the cab was lowered onto the floors, the holes did not line up quite right to let the cab slide forward to make a nice tight fit with the running boards out in front.

I knew I couldn't enlarge such thin brass to enlarge the mounting holes with a twist drill, but then thought of a #1 HS reamer in the tool cabinet that had been used to cut Morse Taper holes in the tailstock of the diorama metal lathe.

It worked like a charm. Having that #1 saved the day.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on May 17, 2019, 02:43:12 PM
Hello JL,

Great shot inside the cab and all of the controls.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 17, 2019, 04:59:44 PM
Thanks Thomas. The 10 second delay on the camera let me get the cab placed over the firebox before the shutter fired. Too much light coming in from that window on my left though.

Success. The cab is mounted. The instructions do not want the roof firmly fixed until step 96 - early July?

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 18, 2019, 12:43:39 AM
At this rate....mid June 😁. Nice looking seats, what is the material for them?

Bill
Title: The Leading Wheels in the Pony Truck
Post by: J.L. on May 18, 2019, 07:55:56 PM
Hi Bill,
Rememer those boxes stacked in the front hall? We are half way through them.

The seats are solid zinc! A little bit of 'blue bird' satin acrylic paint gives us a nice upholstered look. All we need sitting on the seat are a pair of the driver's white cotton gloves.  :Lol:

The two front wheels are mounted on the undercarriage.

Edit: Forgot the equalizing stabilizers on each side of the frame. Added now but not shown.


Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 18, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
The blue paint did the trick then. They look far more cushy that zinc ;)

Bill
Title: The Trailing Truck
Post by: J.L. on May 19, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
Rightly so.

The frame, wheels and bearings of the trailng truck have been assembled.
I had no idea so much was going to be involved with the suspension of this part later. Apparnetly some bolts have to be removed and set aside while more suspension parts are built and added (photo 3).

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 19, 2019, 06:56:42 PM
Brass trim really adds a touch of class around the deflectors. While waiting for the primer to dry on the trailing wheel parts, I had a go at gluing them on with thin CA adhesive.

Little clips bought at a dollar store really came in handy for holding the trim on the outside and the bolsters on the inside in place.

The glue wicked itself along the join quite nicely. In a few spots it ran onto the flat portion of the deflector, but was easily removed with a file and fine sandpaper.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 20, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
Here are some of those suspension parts I showed in photo 3 above,

I was going to leave what they call threaded spring counterbalances a brass colour. They looked so pretty. But they would not be brass in the suspension system so I painted them black.

I've found that when a number of small, almost identical parts are painted, it's easier to punch a hole in a piece of card and mount them all at once. With these parts, the card kept the threads from receiving too much paint.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 20, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
Getting ready for some suspension....
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 20, 2019, 03:38:52 PM
Springs and equalizers finish the parts. Now for some assembly.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 20, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
I've taken shots in real time today as this linkage goes together.
Here is one side of the suspension completed...
Title: The Trailing Truck
Post by: J.L. on May 20, 2019, 07:47:30 PM
Done.
Title: The Ash Box One
Post by: J.L. on May 23, 2019, 04:02:40 PM
The ash box was a delight to assemble. The parts fit perfectly. It is a wonder such thin brass can hold such a nice thread.
The many angles make the box fascinating. It's too bad most of the box will not be visible.
Title: The Ash Box Two
Post by: J.L. on May 23, 2019, 04:07:55 PM
To mount the box, the trailing truck had to be removed.
Title: The Ash Box Three
Post by: J.L. on May 23, 2019, 04:10:02 PM
The box going into place...
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Firebird on May 23, 2019, 08:53:07 PM
Hi JL

This is a superb model  :ThumbsUp:

If only I could bend brass like that  :thinking:

I don't know if I have missed it somewhere but how much doe's a kit like this cost

Cheers

Rich
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 23, 2019, 10:25:07 PM
Thank you Rich. The kit is top of the line.

I have seen it somewhere offered in British Pounds. So it is available in England.

I bought my kit in the States for $1499.00 US.

There are twelve boxes of parts to this kit. The original intent was to purchase the model components one month at a time. Then they offered it as a ocomplete set.

John

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 23, 2019, 11:29:59 PM
The ash box looks great John. Things are still progressing nicely. Will hate to see this one end. Not to late to think about a diorama though  :D

Bill
Title: The Tender Floor One
Post by: J.L. on May 24, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Thanks Bill. I think you will see why I am not opting for a diorama on this one once I reach the base platform.

I have an observation to make about following the pictorial instructions of the booklets in these kits. It would be so easy to assume you know where a screw goes when you see a hole waiting and threaded. The base of the tender of this locomotive has a plethora of drilled and threaded holes.

For example, there are five holes to be used to attach each side beam to the baseplate. However, only three are circled in red indicating where to thread  2 x 3mm screws. Two are left  open. It would be so easy to bull ahead and place all five screws into the holes.

If this was done, there would be some backtracking needed when another part perhaps from above was to be fastened with screws being threaded into those other two holes.

They say that when all else fails, read the instructions.

I think this kit would be frustrating for someone of that temperament.

For me, it is a fun process to look ahead and anticipate what is comimg.

Here are the two main beams running down the centre of the tender. This floor will be well reinforced.
Title: The Tender Floor Two
Post by: J.L. on May 24, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
Clever slits were machined into the two hefty bolsters on the underside of the tender. When pressed down over the brass angle iron longitudinal struts, they look like they are welded in place.

Title: The Tender Floor Three
Post by: J.L. on May 24, 2019, 07:14:19 PM
The completed tender floor.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Admiral_dk on May 24, 2019, 08:14:43 PM
Quote
I think this kit would be frustrating for someone of that temperament.

I must admit to easily being able to fall into that trap .... on the other hand I'm also very fond off "the complete baking recipes" (with the right hand you fetch a ...)  :thinking:

As many others I'm still enjoying this trip very much  :praise2:

I can't decide if I'm mostly shocked about the price or finding it cheap compared to the quality of everything included.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 24, 2019, 08:32:32 PM
Per, at first, I found the kit expensive. But the more I work with the carefully engineered parts in both crisply bent sheet metal and superbly cast zinc, I see and  appreciate the value.

And we haven't even arrived at the electrics yet - or the ball bearings in the track!

Here's what I mean by crisply formed sheet metal. It is also amazing what they can do with 2mm black screws only 2mm long.

 
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 25, 2019, 01:27:11 PM
A fine example of metal forming - a compound curve?

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 25, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
You can never have enough clamps.

Well, these litle guys from the dollar store did the job here.

The trim was given two coats of enamel paint before being applied to the tender walls. The trick will be to mask them well before painting.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 25, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
Before I put the running board on this little deck at the front of the tender, I thought it might be nice to see what is going on here. I had no idea so much was involved.

From left to right:  the right water intakes, the hand brake, the coal outlet, the water gauge, and the left water intake valves.


Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on May 26, 2019, 12:25:30 AM
You can never have enough clamps.

Well, these litle guys from the dollar store did the job here.

The trim was given two coats of enamel paint before being applied to the tender walls. The trick will be to mask them well before painting.
Too many clamps? The whole concept is ludicrous! Used all I had (and some borrowed ones) when laminating/glueing up this sailboat coaming... Steam bent on the form, dried, then epoxy between the 1/4" thick layers, which wanted to curl slightly so needed clamps all down the length on both edges...

(https://i.postimg.cc/prjN6sZ7/100-0411.jpg)
C-clamps, bar clamps, machinest clamps, lions, tigers, and bears!
Title: Tender to Date
Post by: J.L. on May 26, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
Hi Chris,
Well, as I said, you can't have too many clamps. What a setup!

Here is the tender to date. It now has the running board at the business end.

I must research to find out how much coal and water this tender carries. The trucks are built to take tremendous weight and you saw from pictures above how well the floor is reinforced.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Brian Rupnow on May 26, 2019, 02:32:42 PM
John--That is a truly remarkable build. Your dialogue and your pictures certainly help the reader to understand what you are doing. Your interest in model making is considerably different than mine, but I know real craftsmanship when I see it.---Brian
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 26, 2019, 03:59:19 PM
Thank you for your kind words Brian. We both have regional connections; you live in Barrie, I was born in Orillia.

The tender trucks are significant. No wonder.

 
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 26, 2019, 04:31:57 PM
I am so spoiled with this kit that It will be hard to go back to the mill and the South Bend to machine parts!

Do I feel guilty? Not in the least.

John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on May 26, 2019, 05:19:08 PM
No need to feel guilty as long as you have been taking measurements and making plans so you can machine out a couple more of the model...   :Lol:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 26, 2019, 06:32:46 PM
Right.

The truck sides now with the axle boxes...
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 26, 2019, 09:19:11 PM
Just keep truck'n along...
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: kvom on May 27, 2019, 12:22:40 AM
Here's a reference to the tender:

https://www.deviantart.com/rlkitterman/art/JGR-D51-200-Tender-at-Umekoji-SL-Museum-767977919
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: RJ on May 27, 2019, 02:02:24 AM
A coin, like a dime, in just one of the photos, would help me to see the scale....
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 27, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
Thanks for the reference to the tender.

Hi RJ,

It looks as though someone else wants to compare the scale with a dime as well as you... ;)
Title: The Brake Cylinder
Post by: J.L. on May 27, 2019, 03:59:34 PM
Here is the brake cylinder assembly. It looks like bronze, but probably has just been dipped.

I love that turnbuckle.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 27, 2019, 10:55:15 PM
Too bad some of these details may be hidden in the display case unless there is an angled mirror beneath the engine.

Bill
Title: The Brake Shoes
Post by: J.L. on May 28, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
Yes, I've heard about that idea Bill. Here we will have a solid base with rails and ballast.

The brake shoes are nicely cast, but the mold join is quite raised as you can see in Photo One.

The ridges were filed off and the shoes masked.

RJ, here's your dime - Bluenose and all.

Title: A Change of Pace
Post by: J.L. on May 28, 2019, 07:46:52 PM
The engine and tender are far from completion, but I can see why the instructions changes gears and begins the construction of the base. There will be a stable location to set up the locomotive and tender and work on finishing details.

So off we go with some wood assembly. As with all part in this project, precision is evident. MDF is used for the parts. They have been machined to close tolerances. No need to worry about aligning the segments of the base. The holes are the same diameter as the receiving metal threaded inserts. Notice the clean cutouts.

The finish is a sprayed on and topcoated mahogany.

Title: The Base
Post by: J.L. on May 29, 2019, 02:05:44 PM
The base requires a long, flat surface to rest the parts of the base on as it is being bolted together. I used the glass plate in the coffee table. The card model is not there for show in this photo. I just pushed it out of the way. It' s usually on that coffee table as an example of a former hobby. Some might also recognize the book on the table.

All that aside, the glass plate kept everything in line as it was assembled upside down.

The second photo shows the first panel of the rail bed in place. It is recessed  for the ballast.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 29, 2019, 08:40:53 PM
The undercarriage of the engine nears completion. One of the final tasks will be to install the brake system linkage.

Here is the front one in place.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 29, 2019, 09:37:49 PM
I was about to put the second brake linkage in place when I realized there should be a cowl on the gear seen in photo 2. A case of not following the lock step instructions. The motor should be have been installed first in an earlier step.

Knowing that there should be a cowl over that gear speaks volumes for studying the instructions carefully. I just got ahead of myself in a rush to have the undercarriage done. Forgot about the cowl until I set the second linkage over it and know instantly what was amiss.  :embarassed:
 
Title: Motor
Post by: J.L. on May 30, 2019, 01:05:58 PM
Here then are the parts connected to the motor. I am a little surprised it is not a gearhead motor, but I guess they think the worm gear will give enough reduction.  If it doesn't I have a geared mortor on hand.

There is a battery box supplied with this kit (six 'D' size) or 9 volts DC. However, this will not be used. As with all my dioramas I will use an AC adaptor. They are not expensive.



Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 30, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
The motor going into place.

The gearbox.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Admiral_dk on May 30, 2019, 10:20:36 PM
I seem to remember that you said it will run on bearings, so in that case it should have plenty omph to spin the wheels with linkage etc.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 30, 2019, 11:23:55 PM
That is a goodly sized motor, bigger that I was expecting but looks like it will work well John.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: wagnmkr on May 31, 2019, 06:30:45 PM
Coming along well John. Steam engine noises can't be too far away!

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 31, 2019, 08:08:07 PM
Hi Tom,
Oh what a segue you've given me. How about two pictures of speakers? Do they remind you of the boom box of long ago? Looks like a bit of overkill to me.
Title: Electronics
Post by: J.L. on May 31, 2019, 08:15:25 PM
Before the motor can be tested, cables have to go through the effects generator first.

You can see in the photos that I have given the power cord from the battery box an IV (photo 3).

I was going to bypass the battery box directly and go the DC/AC adaptor route. But then I got thinking that at some point somebody may want to borrow the model for a show and put it on a table where an AC outlet is not avalilable. Then the batteries could provide the. power.

So now both bases are covered.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 31, 2019, 08:22:25 PM
Oops, didn't show the battery box.

Very "old school".
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on May 31, 2019, 09:27:53 PM
Now we can test that motor. The motor's plug will mate with the red one seen here.

The other two will be for the headlight and the fire in the firebox.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on May 31, 2019, 10:59:58 PM
Looks like they have done an equally nice job on the base design John!!
Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: wagnmkr on June 01, 2019, 12:14:16 PM
Looks like you will have STEREO engine sounds!

Looking very smart John.

Tom
Title: The Roadbed
Post by: J.L. on June 01, 2019, 02:30:19 PM
Thanks Tom,

I am thrilled with the authentic sound of the locomotive's whistle, but a little disappointed with the running sound of the engine.

The ballast of the roadbed is made up of cast black plastic pieces. The ties are wood and have holes drilled in them to hold a trackplate with rail lugs. Little pins cast with them hold them to the ties unlike real steel  rail plates with square holes in them for the spikes on each side of the track.

Working on this roadbed makes me think of The Last Spike of the Canadian Pacific Railway that was driven into the Canadian Pacific Railway at Craigellachie, British Columbia at 9:22 am on November 7, 1885 by Donald Alexander Smith.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Spike_(Canadian_Pacific_Railway)#/media/File%3ALastSpike_Craigellachie_BC_Canada.jpg

While working on this part of the model I have Gordon Lightfoot's "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" playing. ^-^
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 01, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
 :embarassed:

I'll have to open this pack 'to get my bearings'.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Kim on June 01, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Gordon Lightfoot... Always appropriate!  He's quite a poet, isn't he?  And the Railway Trilogy is wonderful.

Enjoying your build, as always.   :popcorn: :popcorn:

Kim
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 01, 2019, 08:43:39 PM
Yes Kim, a Canadian icon. Personally attended one of his concerts here in Peterborough, Ontario.

Thanks for keeping an eye on the build.

Things keep 'rolling along' here. (got to stop doing that...)
Title: To Paint or not to Paint
Post by: J.L. on June 02, 2019, 10:33:11 AM
I am nearing the end of the  construction phase of this project. I have been priming every part as I go along. I must say I like the look of what I have now. But it's jut a primer.

The auto industry makes some very nice etch primers available in spray cans. These professional products can not be bought in box stores.

I've reached the point where I am hesitating whether to mask eveything up (an onerous task) or simply go with what I have. 

I may demonstrate a few moving parts from time to time but otherwise the model will not be handled.  It will be in situ in a disipay case.

Someone suggested just a clear topcoat be applied, but I'm not sure that would keep the matte look I like now. I'm not sure it would stick either.

Thoughts?

John
Title: The Front Deck
Post by: J.L. on June 02, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
The front deck is complete.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on June 02, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
John, if you are happy with the look now I would keep it as is. It looks very nice in the pictures. Being in a covered case, dust shouldn't be a real problem either. I would worry some that more coats would tend to hide some of the nice detail as well. Ultimately though its your choice as to what is pleasing to you.

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 02, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
Hi Bill,
Your response came in just as I was posting the final pictures of the front deck above.
I appreciate your advice. I think you are right. I really like what I have now. Paint may muddy the waters as it were. An industrial coat of paint may very well fill such things as the fine diamond pattern of the safety treading on the running boards.

If I go this route, I can proceed with all the fun stuff - the signage, the whistle, the figures, the boiler door brass locking system, etc.

I've just talked myself into leaving it alone.  ;)

Thanks Bill.

More input is welcome.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 02, 2019, 04:24:07 PM
Hi Rich,

You are experimenting with signage and doing a great job.

I thought you might be interested in how a number plate is fastened to this Japanese model. Four holes are drilled and filled with 5mm brass rod. The plate then slides into four pre-drilled holes in the surface of the metal. It is kept out about 1mm from the surface.

Other number plates on this model do not have the pin extensions. Rod is used in the holes, but it is nipped off flush with the back of the plate. In this case, the plate fastens directly to the surface of the engine's cab  wall.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on June 02, 2019, 04:28:53 PM
John, how do they hold the pins to the wall - glue, solder, ?
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 02, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
Hi Chris,

A very good question. Any attempt to fasten the plate from the front would just make a mess. Also, access to the backside of the pins is not possible.

The pins are glued in place on the plate as you see in the second picture. They are not all standing all vertically when glued. Inevitablly one or two are going to fasten at a bit of an angle.

This is a good thing. In other words, tension will be created when you attempt to wrestle them into the holes. With long nosed pliers each pin is coaxed into position. Care has to be taken to not mar the surface of the paintwork while doing this, but when accomplished, you feel the plate slide back into place with a good resisrtance.

I like the idea of four holes in each corner of the plate regardless of whether it will be pressed into place as described above or just mounted flush. The pins can be very small, but still give a nice effect.

Thanks for asking

Cheers...John
Title: Smoke Deflectors
Post by: J.L. on June 03, 2019, 12:21:03 PM
I've been putting off adding the smoke deflectors because I thought they would get in the way of spray painting and cause blowback. But now, since I am going with the primer only, they can be added. I added a horizontal strip of metal along their tops so that the struts could land on them. The original struts had a 90 degree bend in them and were problematic to glue in place.

Note in the last photo the handrail is showing a few spots of brass that missedd the primer. Again, the camera catches such things. A shot of spray primer into a cup will provie enough paint for a small brush to coat the inner portion of that railing.

During WW2,  these deflectors were replaced with wood.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: mklotz on June 03, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
I've seen those so-called smoke deflectors in many pictures of European, especially German, locomotives.  I've often wondered what they were called.

Now that you've provided their name, can you explain how they work?  They seem fairly far removed from the source of smoke - the smokestack.  Plus, every engine I've seen that doesn't have them, primarily American, seems to puff smoke easily from the stack despite the lack of deflectors.
Title: Smoke Deflectors
Post by: J.L. on June 03, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Hi Marv,

I'm with you. Perhaps someone could tell us both whether they were effective or not. Like you have said, smoke, unless deflected by strong winds, goes straight up high above the 'elephant ears'. To me, they seem to be nothing more than a distinctive cosmetic feature.

Marv, do you realize that the driver is sitting back 38' from the front deck of the engine and his little window allows him to see only straight ahead? He would never see the centre of the track.(on the model, that's 19"). I'd want a buddy  up there on the deck with eyes wide open.  :o
Title: Re: Smoke Deflectors
Post by: mklotz on June 03, 2019, 05:01:20 PM
Hi Marv,

I'm with you. Perhaps someone could tell us both whether they were effective or not. Like you have said, smoke, unless deflected by strong winds, goes straight up high above the 'elephant ears'. To me, they seem to be nothing more than a distinctive cosmetic feature.

Marv, do you realize that the driver is sitting back 38' from the front deck of the engine and his little window allows him to see only straight ahead? He would never see the centre of the track.(on the model, that's 19"). I'd want a buddy  up there on the deck with eyes wide open.  :o

It was even worse with monster locomotives.  The UP Big Boy was about 85 feet long.  In today's world we would solve the visibility problem with a camera and a monitor in the cab.

I suppose one can make the case that a locomotive engineer doesn't really need to see straight ahead much.  He doesn't have to steer and trackside signals will tell him when to slow down or stop.  But he can't see unplanned obstructions ahead such as a lawyer tied to the tracks :-).  Of course, even if he saw it, he probably couldn't stop in time, especially so if pulling a large load.  (Nor, in my example, would he want to.)
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on June 03, 2019, 05:02:21 PM
Found a good discussion of the smoke deflectors over here:
http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/t/183559.aspx

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: mklotz on June 03, 2019, 05:44:53 PM
Found a good discussion of the smoke deflectors over here:
http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/t/183559.aspx

This quote from Chris' URL...

There's no need to lift exhaust smoke-- it's already up there. What the plates are supposed to do is keep the smoke from being sucked down into the low-pressure areas that form alongside the boiler. So, get the air flowing along the side of the boiler (so no eddying is possible) and the problem is solved.

seems to capture the function nicely.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 03, 2019, 06:14:13 PM
Ah Ha! Great site. Thanks Marv.

Learned something today.   :old:

It's the spark arrester that fascinates me on this model. So much care was taken to design it. And it will probably never be seen (too fidddly to demonstrate when showing the model.)

The lock turns 90 degrees with the spoked wheel and then the door is pulled tightly in by the locking lever.

Chris,see those four holes? You know what they are for.  ;)



You can see the locking bar in the second. photo along with a bit of the spark arrester.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on June 03, 2019, 07:06:52 PM
...
Chris,see those four holes? You know what they are for.  ;)
...
In Latin,  namus plateus?   :Lol:


Never knew that they put the spark arrester inside the smokebox (not a place we normally see inside). On the Shays they had them on top of the stack. Neat detail.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on June 03, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
You mean they are not for an LCD screen?  :Lol:

Oh yes, built in 1930's Japan, not 2000's Japan!  :facepalm:

Just kidding, build looks great John. Love the detail on the spark arrester.  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 03, 2019, 09:31:35 PM
Chris,
en franÁais,
vous avez raison.  :ThumbsUp:

Hi cnr6400,
Thanks. Boy, you're close - 1938.

The third photo shows the arrester build way back in April by itself. Imagine shaping the fine mesh of the screen into that cone shape.  :o

I was pleased that the lens snapped into place without any adhesive to mess it up. Like the lens in the centre of the vertical lines.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 03, 2019, 10:08:47 PM
Hi Marv,
I've seen the tableau where the villain with the curled moustache does his dastardly deed and ties the damsel in distress to the tracks, but a lawyer is a new take on the scenario.

Have you had legal troubles lately?

Just kidding.

I enjoy your humour Marv.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: mklotz on June 03, 2019, 11:16:39 PM
Hi Marv,
I've seen the tableau where the villain with the curled moustache does his dastardly deed and ties the damsel in distress to the tracks, but a lawyer is a new take on the scenario.

Have you had legal troubles lately?

Just kidding.

I enjoy your humour Marv.  :ROFL:

No, but when I'm king all speed bumps will be composed of lawyers.  I wouldn't want to clutter the railroads with them; the railroads will be needed to process the liberals.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on June 03, 2019, 11:21:54 PM
Hi Marv,
I've seen the tableau where the villain with the curled moustache does his dastardly deed and ties the damsel in distress to the tracks, but a lawyer is a new take on the scenario.

Have you had legal troubles lately?

Just kidding.

I enjoy your humour Marv.  :ROFL:

No, but when I'm king all speed bumps will be composed of lawyers.  I wouldn't want to clutter the railroads with them; the railroads will be needed to process the liberals.
Don't use up ALL the lawyers, sharks need to be fed too..  :LittleDevil:
Title: District Markers
Post by: J.L. on June 04, 2019, 04:22:14 PM
Time to 'get on track' guys.

These sequential photos show the signage going onto the left side of the cab under the window. The maker's plate is the rectangular one below the number plate.

The tag holders are out of this world. How could we ever make them? They hold 6mm x 8mm brass enamelled tags that indicate where the engine is based. One is district tag 'Nakatsugawa engine depot', the other district tag represents the' Umekoji engine depot.

The holders are folded like slip sleeves.

I don't know what the black district tag represents (next post).
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 04, 2019, 07:28:22 PM
Full steam ahead... when we get the roof on.  ::)
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on June 04, 2019, 07:30:23 PM
They really do the details well - looking great!
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on June 04, 2019, 08:09:00 PM
Donít think Iíve posted on this one John, but, I have been following along. I am also amazed at the quality and detail in this kit. But, itís no more precise than your attention to detail in the builds youíve posted here :NotWorthy: :praise2:. Waiting for the video.

Eric
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on June 04, 2019, 09:00:20 PM
Takeo and Guo look right at home in the cab!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on June 05, 2019, 12:14:36 AM
Are the engineer and fireman included in the kit John?

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on June 05, 2019, 02:08:39 AM
Hello JL,

That sure is a good photo of the inside of the Cab.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 05, 2019, 11:15:14 AM
Thank ypu gentlemen. Very kind words. Appreciated.

Hi Bill,
Yes, three beautifully painted characters came with the kit; the fireman, the driver and a trainspotter.
I used the trainspotter in a photo to show a friend the scale of the model. I may have posted the picture on this site.
He's mmy favourite.

Cheers...John
Title: The Cab Roof
Post by: J.L. on June 05, 2019, 03:25:18 PM
I've put off fastening the fascia at the back of the cab roof until now.

The roof edges have gutters ( there are also downspouts ). The roof slides into place using the slots in these gutters. A clever design.

The end is near.



 
Title: The Under Carriage
Post by: J.L. on June 05, 2019, 05:52:01 PM
Here are three shots of the finished under carriage of the engine.

Notice in the first and third photo how the motor shaft is joined to the driveshaft. Quite a universal.

Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on June 05, 2019, 08:26:58 PM
Hi John, the silicone tube coupling is also done that way on some HO and O scale electric locomotives. Seems crude but in practice it works fine , quietly, for a long time, if the worm gearing and axle bearings get some lube regularly.  Chassis looks great!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: crueby on June 05, 2019, 09:24:34 PM
Hi John, the silicone tube coupling is also done that way on some HO and O scale electric locomotives. Seems crude but in practice it works fine , quietly, for a long time, if the worm gearing and axle bearings get some lube regularly.  Chassis looks great!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I've seen it done on RC model boats too - fine as long as the torque load is not too high, and easily replaced if it does fail.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: RJ on June 05, 2019, 10:26:37 PM
John - what do I have to do to see the photos that you post...all I see is the text.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: RJ on June 05, 2019, 10:29:00 PM
Never mind - your photos just appeared. Look like you are close to completion eh?
Title: Lost Tank
Post by: J.L. on June 06, 2019, 04:07:58 PM
Hi RJ,

Yes, technically I am finished. However,in the last pack (pack 100) there is a brass tank that sits on the running board up against the cab on the right side of the engine. It was not shipped with the kit. It was not in the blister pack, but wrapped separately. I think that's why it was not in the kit. It went unnoticd until the very last.

Should have it from Great Britain in three weeks.

 
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 06, 2019, 04:09:59 PM
But here are some shots ot the engine minus that tank.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Johnmcc69 on June 06, 2019, 06:55:41 PM
 :ThumbsUp:
Truly oustanding work John! So many cool little details!

 I hate to see this build wrap up.

 John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: cnr6400 on June 06, 2019, 08:55:50 PM
Hi John, did you try the led's in the firebox yet? I see Guo's got the shovel out already, and Takeo is ready to pull the "highball" lever. Great work!
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: sco on June 06, 2019, 08:56:03 PM
I've really enjoyed following this build too, like Chris' builds - so much progress in a short space of time and excellently presented.

Top job!

Simon.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Kim on June 07, 2019, 05:39:32 AM
Very nice, John!  Just a fun build to watch come together, and you made a superb job of it all!
Kim
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 07, 2019, 02:30:47 PM
Thank you fellows.

The missing tank will have to be screwed onto the running board from below. So no final hookup of the electrics will take place at the time. The  connecrting plugs snap into place and lock. I want to be able to remove the engine so that I can get under it.

Here it is in its display case nonetheless.
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: b.lindsey on June 07, 2019, 03:20:37 PM
Just awesome John. I too, hate to see it end. By all means do a follow up though when that last part comes in and the electrics are hooked up. So glad you decided to do a log on it here for us too!!

Bill
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Larry on June 08, 2019, 04:11:02 AM
This has really been enjoyable - had no idea kits like this were available. Great job !
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Kim on June 08, 2019, 05:48:13 AM
Same here!  I had no idea.  Makes me want to go get one and build it!  But I've got so many projects as it is...  And I think this one cost as much for the kit as I spent in materials for the Pennsy I'm working on now.  And I should have a a lot of material left over when I'm done! (Well, maybe... :embarassed:)

I really have enjoyed following along with your build here, John. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.
Kim
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Kim on June 08, 2019, 05:59:41 AM
OK, I have  to correct my statement there.  This kit costs much less than what I spent for materials for the Pennsy switcher.  Like by half. So I was WAY wrong.  Just had to set that straight! :)

And I just can't get over all the detail they put in this model.  Just wonderful!
Kim
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: J.L. on June 08, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
Thank you all.

This deAgostini set of machined parts and materials exceeded my expectations. The step by step illustrated instructions were very detailed.

I would recommend this kit without hesitation.

 If anyone wants a break from machining their own parts from scratch or plans, this kit would fill the bill - like assembling Meccano when you were a kid!

Check out the C57 if you are tempted. I like its design with the larger six drive wheels and the distinctive smoke deflectors.

Cheers...John
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Firebird on June 08, 2019, 06:53:13 PM
Hi John

Stunning  :ThumbsUp:

I have enjoyed every minute of this build, thanks for sharing

Cheers

Rich
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on June 08, 2019, 08:27:53 PM
Hello John,

Really nice work and a beautiful completed model.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: Admiral_dk on June 08, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
Thank you for taking us all along on this fantastic journey John  :praise2:
Title: Re: D51-200 Tender Locomotive 2-8-2
Post by: wagnmkr on June 09, 2019, 01:16:04 AM
Glad you enjoyed the build John. You did your usual masterful job on it and I look forward to hearing it and watching it in person soon.

Cheers

Tom