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Title: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on October 09, 2018, 01:17:35 AM
 I have a friend who lives about an hour away. When I go to visit him the one route I take takes me through a small crossroads village named Homerville.
As with a lot if not most small communities in Ohio the original school buildings that taught from K-12 have been recommissioned or in a lot of cases demolished due to new larger schools that can accommodate students from a larger area.
 The school in Homerville has been turned into a community center and supports some of the township facilities. Many years ago as I passed by I noticed an antique road grader at one end of the building. The many years that I passed it I thought it would make an interesting addition to my 1" Case traction engine but just never took the time to investigate the machine. I kept promising myself that I would go and measure it up but we know how that goes, other things take precedent and it gets put aside.
 Early this summer I took that particular road out to my friends house and passed the old yellow road grader. This time I promised myself that I would spend the time to measure and take pictures before it was lost to time.
 About a month ago I planned my first trip, about 50 minutes away. I loaded up the tools that I would need, camera, tape ruler, plumb bob, sketch pad, pencils chalk and calipers. I knew pretty much what was needed as I had done this on several other occasions for my Case baler and Russell traction engine.
The day was a little misty so I took some light rain gear just in case, which turned out to be a wise decision.
 When the machine had been put on display the rear wheels were cocked over as would have been the case when using the machine to keep it from slewing sideways when scraping. Although the machine was on a concrete pad this made it difficult to accurately get height dimensions to the various horizontal shafts. I ended up measuring shafts on both sides so that I could calculate a mean dimension when I started making the Cad drawings.
 I knew from the start that no matter how many pictures I took or how many dimensions I wrote down when I got home I would be lacking hundreds of important facts and figures. Like I said I've done this before.
 I spent about 3 hours in the light rain getting as much as I could although a lot of the horizontal location features would have to wait for the next trip because I couldn't mark reference points on the wet concrete with the chalk.
 When I got home I started transferring my sketches and dimension to the computer screen, using the photos as a proportional reference guide. I was able to establish overall lengths, axle positions etc. but would need much more information. I made a list of features I would need on my next visit so that I could get them without duplicating what I already had.
 To condense the story a little I have since made 2 more trips and have the drawings pretty well along. I realize I could 'fake' some of the dimensions but having spent so much time on it already I'll make one more trip for hopefully the last remaining measurements of bit and pieces.
 The machine is starting to show it's age sitting out in the elements and it probably won't be too many years down the road when some of the pieces start to fall off. I have searched the Internet for this particular grader and have found very little online information. There are a few pictures of machines of the era but nothing like this one.
 If nothing else I'll be saving this one in model form for posterity. I'm attaching just a few pictures to show what a really neat mechanical beast it is. I think I took close to 95 pictures to this point.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: crueby on October 09, 2018, 01:22:51 AM
Oooh, very interesting machine!
I had same issues on measuring machines, always needed another visit.  Or three. I liked to include the tape measure in as many shots as possible to let me get measurements for things I did not write down, if they were close enough to the tape to interpolate from.
Looking forward to seeing it modelled!
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: b.lindsey on October 09, 2018, 01:32:46 AM
Another project I will be looking forward to George. Certainly will make a unique model and as you say a nice addition to the case traction engine.

Bill
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: 10KPete on October 09, 2018, 02:30:51 AM
I thought I had seen most variations of these old graders, expecially Galions, but I have never seen tilting rear wheels before. That feature must not have lasted very long. Most all graders have front wheel tilt.

Thanks for the pics!! Something new every day...

If you do model this I will be very interested in watching.

Pete
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on October 09, 2018, 03:42:17 AM
Pete,
There's so many adjustments on this grader. The front and rear wheels tilt, the rear axle shifts side to side, the tongue can be shifted off the centerline, the blade rotates and tilts, the blade can be raised and lowered from side to side and the blade frame can be shifted from side to side. It must have 10 universal joints.
I don't know if I'll be able to replicate every detail in 1" scale but I'm going to try.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Kim on October 09, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
This will be fun to watch, George!

You find such fascinating things to model.  And you do it so well!
Kim
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on October 09, 2018, 08:19:40 AM
Hello George,

This will surely be a rewarding project for you to do, especially to save a beautiful piece of history. I will be following along on this project for sure.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: ShopShoe on October 09, 2018, 01:04:48 PM
George,

I've seen similar machines within a pleasure drive to where I live.

Can you post a side view of your example?  If I go by the ones I know I can get a quick check to see if they are close to yours.

--ShopShoe

P.S.: I think there was an episode of Antiques Roadshow (US) where a salesman's scale model of a road grader came up for appraisal. I don't know what year or location that episode was recorded, but maybe someone else has seen it.
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on October 09, 2018, 02:39:53 PM
Hi Shopshoe,
I don't have a complete side view, just sequential pictures. I took the pictures at right angles so I could calculate sizes and spacings.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Don1966 on October 09, 2018, 03:09:27 PM
Awesome project George and I have seen this type grader before years back. Looking forward to another great project for your shop.


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on October 09, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
HI Don,
Good to hear from you! You had asked about the Fordillac flathead engine running. I posted a response over the weekend but it seems the weekend postings get shuffled quite quickly.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Don1966 on October 09, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
Thanks buddy got it!


Don
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: scc on October 09, 2018, 06:48:08 PM
" and now for something completely different"     Looking forward to this one George.     Regards            Terry
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Craig DeShong on October 10, 2018, 04:10:25 PM
You've been quiet for a while George, so i figured something was 'in the works'.  This is going to be an interesting project and with your skill I know it will result in a magnificant model.
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on October 11, 2018, 01:34:47 AM
I made a short video with some still pictures. This gives a better idea of the size and uniqueness of this particular machine.
gbritnell
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Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Admiral_dk on October 11, 2018, 11:10:55 AM
Very much looking forward to follow your build George.

Just wish that the council would put a roof over the original - that alone would keep it much healthier .
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on October 20, 2018, 11:11:11 PM
I've been steadily working on the 2d Cad drawings. I always have a layout sheet which comprises all the parts. From there I work up the view drawings and then start on the individual sheets. I have almost 40 hours in the drawings. I'm taking my notes and sketches and putting them on paper/screen.
I have 2 of the overall views completed, one top and one front.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: PJPickard on October 20, 2018, 11:19:40 PM
The drawing is outstanding! One of the vendors in the model railroad world offered one of these, maybe Bill Roy? It will be  very neat model!
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: b.lindsey on October 21, 2018, 12:40:13 AM
It's coming along great George. The time you have put into it really shows!!

Bill
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Johnmcc69 on October 21, 2018, 02:28:13 AM
 :ThumbsUp:
 The drawing looks FANTASTIC George! This will be an amazing model!
 Looking forward to it all coming together!
 :popcorn: :cheers:

 John
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: crueby on October 21, 2018, 03:12:14 AM
Some very complex shapes there, going to be a great model! Some custom bending jigs in your future?


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Don1966 on November 03, 2018, 01:32:27 AM
Beautified renderings George! Looking forward to see it take shape as a model...... :ThumbsUp:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: kvom on November 03, 2018, 02:57:48 PM
Isn't 1" scale a little large for you given the past few projects?   :stir:

What was the motive power of this machine?  Horse or tractor?  Guess I should read the title.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Alan Haisley on November 06, 2018, 08:42:36 PM

This will be fun to watch - all those little parts. 1:12 seems a bit large to me too, but a smaller scale could make some of the parts really hard - if not impossible - to do.

Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: chucketn on November 06, 2018, 09:36:13 PM
George, I'll be following along. I've enjoyed the pictures you took to help design this project. It brings back memories of such a grader I watched working the dirt road that passed my childhood home in upstate N.Y. I was maybe 5 or 6 years old. I was so mesmerized by it, I dreamed of being a "Road Worker" for several years after. Though when I saw it, it was not pulled by horses, it now is obvious to me that it was of horse drawn origin, and adapted to be pulled by a dozer. When they needed to turn it around, they stopped and the operator on the grader spent several minutes cranking a wheel to lift the blade, and they turned around in the hay field on the other side of the road from my house. I remember seeing it sit next to the town shed in later years.
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on November 07, 2018, 06:50:05 PM
 Thanks for following along gents.
 I have finished the sheet that I posted at the beginning with 4 views, top, side, front and rear. It's actually suitable for framing and I had a couple of them printed out for some of my friends who work with heavy machinery.
 Now I'm starting on the individual part drawings. When I converted my sketches and dimensions to CAD the parts were drawn on the layout sheet but naturally I didn't do orthographic views of each part so now I'm taking each part and putting them on individual sheets and developing the required 3 views with dimensions. It's moving along well but as each part is created it's modified from the original full scale part to one that can be created as a model. This includes making provisions for tapped holes, bolt sizes, metal thicknesses etc. The larger gear boxes have worm drives in them so I have to develop pitches and tooth spacings to fit within the confines of the original boxes (after scaling). I just finished the worm and wheel drawing for the large main mechanisms that operate the the blade elevation. The gear came out having a 52.23 diametral pitch. As I make most of my own gear cutters the oddball pitch isn't a big deal it just looks unusual as a number.
 I'm probably looking at another month or so of drawing before I start making chips so hang in there, we'll get to making pieces in the next couple of months.
 To answer a question, the information placard that is with the machine states that it was horse drawn, well anyone knowing machinery can tell by looking at the drawbar that horses couldn't be harnessed to a round steel tube so the original setup must have been replaced somewhere along the line to allow a tractor of some type to tow it.
gbritnell
 
 
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: rudydubya on November 07, 2018, 07:15:16 PM
I'll be hanging in there with you, George.  Your projects are always worth the wait.

Regards,
Rudy
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on November 07, 2018, 07:39:32 PM
Hello George,

I cannot see what is on the very end of the steel tube in the very front, but is it possible that a team was hooked up to that tube via a ring. I'm sure that you have more still photos to view plus your on site inspection.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on November 07, 2018, 07:59:41 PM
Hello again George,

I found some photos that might help.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Dave Otto on November 07, 2018, 10:46:33 PM
Amazing amount of work George, I'm looking forward to being able to watch another one of your very interesting projects.

Dave
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: gbritnell on November 08, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
Hi Thomas,
Thanks for the pictures. It looks like even the simplest ones have similar features.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: zeeprogrammer on November 08, 2018, 04:10:23 PM
I'll be following along. This isn't something one runs across very often.

Just wish that the council would put a roof over the original - that alone would keep it much healthier .

Yes. I'm just back from a cross country road trip and it was disheartening to come across many machines simply rusting away in a field or yard. Worse, a number of historical sites where, due to lack of money or interest, the buildings are rotting away. We're losing a lot of history. Photos just don't do enough justice. You have to be there.
Title: Re: Horse drawn Galion road grader circa. 1913?
Post by: Craig DeShong on November 13, 2018, 01:11:36 AM
 Hi George.  You're in what I find to be a real challenging and fun part; devising comprises between an actual part and one that can be made with the tooling we have available- then getting everything to fit together properly.

A good 3D drawing tool makes this fun as,well as challenging; and can give the old noggin a real workout.

Can't wait to see what you come up with.