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Title: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 05, 2018, 04:22:17 PM
Here begins what will no doubt be a several month saga of renovating my old shop which was previously used for my injection molding business prior to my going to my going to work for the university some 12 years ago. Needless to say there has been a lot of growth of bushes, volunteer trees, etc near the building and around the 4.25 acre property it sits on. The reason for a rather extensive renovation is that we are in the process of building a new home on the same property and should break ground on that in the next month. Also the shop curently has 3 phase power running to it. It is about 900 sq. ft. inside with an adjoining half bath that also need some upgrading. Once I get the brush cleared I will look at the current siding and see if it needs replacing. I know a new roof will be needed as well as a heat pump system for year around use.

I have attached a picture of the outside and will post further updates as progress happens. The good news is that I now have time to deal with this project.  More to follow.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on June 05, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
Step one - build a steam powered chain saw to trim those trees...
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 05, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
How about a gas powered one instead...purchased this morning in fact!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on June 05, 2018, 05:27:43 PM
 :pinkelephant:

It begins.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on June 05, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
It is about 900 sq. ft.

You might loose your Sherlines and the Cowells in there Bill best play it safe and buy some more machine tools and casting sets to help fill it  :stir:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on June 05, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
Cool stuff Bill!
Looking forward to seeing it progress.


Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on June 05, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
Can't wait to watch this happen!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: toolznthings on June 05, 2018, 08:22:11 PM
This will be exciting ! Great to have a new shop.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: vcutajar on June 05, 2018, 08:23:20 PM
Happy retirement Bill. :cheers:

Vince
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 90LX_Notch on June 05, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
What treasures lie within the walls of said building?

-Bob
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on June 05, 2018, 10:06:14 PM
Can you all imagine the dreams Bill is having?

Well I guess you can.

That's part of the fun too.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 05, 2018, 10:30:21 PM
Thanks guys and Jo. I'll try to get some more pics in the next few days as the brush gets removed.

Bob, on the inside are a Sears (Atlas) lathe my dad purchased back in the 70's but in very nice condition, my Alliant mill with DRO, a cold saw. Couple of bench grinders, drill press, vibratory tumbler, and maybe even a casting set or two aging away. More on the inside once I can get the exterior in better shape.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 05, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
Zee, yeah I can see it in my mind for sure, just have to get there in logical order. I know for sure one of the circuit breaker panels needs replacing too. The good news is that the contractor building the house will have various tradesmen out there that can do a lot of this work at the same time.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on June 06, 2018, 05:30:11 AM
Very exciting, Bill!  Can't wait to see the progress on your new home and shop!

What fun :)
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Vixen on June 06, 2018, 10:57:57 AM
Bill,

I will be following your renovation, as you make progress and report in.

Why is it you only have plenty of room in the workshop, on the day you move in. After that you bring in or make more and more stuff and space just disappears.

Cheers :cheers:

Mike

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 06, 2018, 11:38:37 AM
Thanks Kim!  Mike, I guess its just one of those unwritten laws of human behavior or something. Though the good new is I have some major stuff that will come out too,so that will free up space to bring more stuff in :). Fortunately the new stuff going in isn't that large so it should be a net gain for the moment anyway.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on June 06, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Shop renovation and new house. What a great retirement project Bill!  :ThumbsUp:

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on June 06, 2018, 09:52:31 PM
Trying to catch up here. Bill, Iíd be tempted to leave the vegetation: itís great insulation, possibly could emit some ďgood gasesĒ to offset the cutting oil smoke, and, may be a good theft deterrent: besides that, it looks cool. :popcorn: :cheers: :ThumbsUp:

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on June 07, 2018, 01:57:40 AM
Cletus,
Seeing he already has the "Gas powered saw" I think the decision is academic. On the serious side I'm sure you will enjoy the remodeled space.
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on June 07, 2018, 02:19:03 AM
Cletus,
Seeing he already has the "Gas powered saw" I think the decision is academic. On the serious side I'm sure you will enjoy the remodeled space.
Art
He could use it to learn chainsaw carving instead...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 07, 2018, 12:10:55 PM
Chris, I have acquired some new Foredom equipment that might do much better at carving without risk of life and limb, just on a smaller scale ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Craig DeShong on June 07, 2018, 02:04:45 PM
I have found that regardless of how large your shop is, you eventually run out of space.  :Lol: looks like you have some ambitious projects for your early retirement!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on June 07, 2018, 03:36:53 PM
Cool Bill happy for you buddy I will be following your progress!


Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 07, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
Thanks Craig and Don. Good to hear from you Don, been a while.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on June 07, 2018, 05:06:07 PM
Ok Bill two days have gone by :stickpoke: we have not seen any evidence of progress. I hope you haven't already slipped into that well known problem of retirement slow down  :facepalm:

Swarf doesn't make itself you know  :ShakeHead:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 07, 2018, 05:17:38 PM
Slow down Jo? Not hardly...just some other things these last few days...vet appointments, and other things that were waiting on retirement, but getting somewhat caught up. Swarf will be forthcoming.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on June 07, 2018, 07:03:54 PM
Slow down Jo? Not hardly...just some other things these last few days...vet appointments, and other things that were waiting on retirement, but getting somewhat caught up. Swarf will be forthcoming.

I can see that. I thought when I retired I'd immediately be 'free'. Not so. Particularly since I turned 65 at the same time.
Having several doctor appointments. One of which was supposed to be a physical but when I went in I found out I was entitled to a one-time full blown physical due to having signed up to medicare. I still had the appointment to get some meds but had to reschedule the full blown physical.

Then there's all the house crap I put off while working.

Not to mention my timing was such that it put me at odds with T's gardening.

And it's essentially summertime. Trips, swimming, cooking out.

But to Jo's point...be careful of the possible 'slowdown'. You don't necessarily know it's happening.

I know I'm giving excuses...but some are actually reasons.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 07, 2018, 08:14:41 PM
I hear you Zee. It's easy to put things off especially when you know you are retiring soon. But as always, after kicking the can down the road so to speak, it's still there in the road and we come upon it again!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on June 07, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
Since Iím in a betting mood: Iíll bet an RC Cola and a Moon Pie that this retirement thing doesnít fully sink in until about mid to late August  :old: 8).

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 07, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Well maybe it hasn't sunk in yet Cletus but I did have to ask the wife what day it was today   :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on June 08, 2018, 12:30:39 AM
Well maybe it hasn't sunk in yet Cletus but I did have to ask the wife what day it was today   :lolb:

Bill
Thats a great start. You will be there when you have to ask what a weekend is!   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on June 08, 2018, 03:27:50 AM
Cletus,
What, you found  RC Cola. Never find it on the turnpike while traveling so I settle for Dr Pepper. Although I'd rather a beer or maybe I should say ale, and Stones, Arrogant Bastard is one my top choices.
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 10, 2018, 04:32:44 PM
A bit more deforestation this morning. The entry side is now fairly clear. You can see the progress in photos 1-3. Next up will be that front corner (photo4). There is one gnarly bush that's going to have to come out a piece at a time as things are unbelievably intertwined.  I cut a lot of the limbs free from the trunk but no joy in pulling them free yet. One step at a time.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on June 10, 2018, 04:35:39 PM
That one bush may require an air strike...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on June 10, 2018, 04:43:56 PM
Looks like you are only tickling them Bill  :naughty:

If you are taking the roots out I would leave 3 ft of trunk so you have something to get hold of when you pull it out  :ThumbsUp:

They look rather too small to use as fire wood  :thinking: I can recommend Dave's Mulcher for disposing of the stuff and providing you something useful. It was very therapeutic watch it swallow old branches the other day in exchange for garden mulch :D

Jo

P.S. This was one I did earlier  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on June 10, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
There is quite a pile growing now Jo, with more to come. I had thought of mulching, and may do that or just get a construction dumpster, as there is a lot on the inside to be trashed as well, though not botanical stuff.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 16, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Bringing out the bigger gun now both for cutting the grass and clearing out undergrowth. Took delivery today of a sub compact JD tractor with 54" belly mower and front loader.

Grading for the new house will also commence end of this week or first of next week and the grading guy ( with even bigger guns) has said he will help clear a few bigger trees on the perimeter of the shop. Slow progress but still getting there.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on July 16, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
 :facepalm: Uh oh. Now he's going to tool around the yard instead of tooling in his shop.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on July 16, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
That is a pretty cool new toy there, Bill!

I assume you'll show us before and after pictures of the area you're clearing? :)

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: yogi on July 16, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Thatís a nice machine there Bill! You will like it. Itís a very useful tool around the property. I have a same size machine, and I wouldnít give it up for anything.

I even built a stump grinder for mine:
https://yogisworkshop.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/sub-compact-stump-grinder-ep-1/ (https://yogisworkshop.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/sub-compact-stump-grinder-ep-1/)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 16, 2018, 08:35:07 PM
Thanks guys. Just spent 2.5 hours on it cutting grass ranging from 12" to even 24" high in places. I didn't take a before shot but here's an after shot from the street. The shop is way in the back and not visible in this picture.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on July 16, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
Saweeeet. You know what they say: ďNothing runs like a Deere and nothing smells like a John  :lolb:.  Watch that roll bar around the tree limbs. They cause abrupt stops, ask me how I know  :facepalm:

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 16, 2018, 10:02:59 PM
Yeah Cletus, I figured that out, and the smaller limbs it pulls forward and slaps the back of your head. Fortunately I was watching out and one thing I will be doing is trimming those low hanging branches  ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on July 16, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
Hi Bill,

Well it looks like "spring fever" and shop cleaning has affected a lot of us. Neat tractor too.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on July 16, 2018, 11:42:56 PM
You could mount a chain saw to that roll cage thing, to automatically trim tree limbs.

You're welcome.

Safety third and all that. I'm full of ideas today.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on July 16, 2018, 11:54:23 PM
Is it diesel or gas Bill?

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 17, 2018, 12:06:14 AM
Diesel Cletus.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 17, 2018, 12:08:55 AM
Thomas, the grading guy also supplies the construction dumpsters for contractors. He is going to to bring an extra one for the shop renovation. I have a LOT of stuff to get rid of...lol.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on July 17, 2018, 12:37:25 AM
Are you going to enter next year's 4th of July parade with it? You know, where all the geezers ride lawn tractors?  :lolb:

(Not making fun of that. It's a great time.)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 17, 2018, 01:00:30 AM
Nah, but we do have a parade of power on the Friday of our October show...it goes from the park down through the little town of Dallas and back . Might do that, we'll see.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on July 17, 2018, 01:44:08 AM
You could mount a chain saw to that roll cage thing, to automatically trim tree limbs.

You're welcome.

Safety third and all that. I'm full of ideas today.
Why did I just think of the Mad Max movies....!   :o
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steamer5 on July 17, 2018, 12:55:49 PM
Hi Bill,
 Nice toy! Miss my ride on from time to time.

Now IF you lived down this end of the planet we have lawn mover racing! NO mower decks allowed, but hay you don't want to ease off on the corners right?

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 21, 2018, 09:05:42 PM
This got done yesterday by the grading contractor. First picture is where the house will be. Second is the shop now that most of the growth has been cleared away.
Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Vixen on July 21, 2018, 09:11:06 PM
Hello Bill,

You sure have your priorities in the right order. Get the workshop sorted first, somewhere to live can follow.

Good luck with the whole project. This is one where the destination is more important than the journey

Mike
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 21, 2018, 09:25:59 PM
Agreed Mike, and this can be done while the house is under construction.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 26, 2018, 01:56:30 AM
I have been doing some measuring and planning at the shop trying to get a handle on where things will go eventually. Easy enough to just move them around on paper beforehand. I have drawn up a floorplan to help in that regard attached below. Note that the Craftsman Lathe and Aliant Mill and Cold Saw will remain in their current locations as they have worked out well as is and the mill and cold saw both have 3 phase breaker/lockout boxes located above . The workbenches along the left and right walls are already there as well though the countertops will likely be replaced. The bathroom vanity will also be replaced. There are still other things not yet shown like the Kennedy toolchest, riser and roller base that will likely be along the back wall between the lathe and mill, a drillpress, the Hegner scroll saw, and another roll around workbench currently being used for the Cowells lathe here at home. Also various other typical things like a bench grinder, Foredom bench mill (polisher), band saw, belt and band sanders, and so forth. Not shown but in the plan are wall mount cabinets for additional storage of accessories, tooling and such. The mechanical room where the compressor is located will likely be used for raw material storage and casting aging  ;). Though I guess there can never be too much room, I think there should be sufficient space for future additions like a heat treating area (maybe on the left wall countertop, and a small oven for powder coating if I ever get into that. Its still a work in progress but plenty of time to adjust things as needed as the more basic renovations proceed.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on July 26, 2018, 02:16:23 AM
It's a fun time to plan a shop. Enjoy!
Kudos if you get it the 1st time.
I'm in the midst of thinking of improvements. Got most of it. But I can't find a place for the vise. Imagine!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on July 26, 2018, 04:56:37 AM
That's a beautiful shop, Bill!  You should be able to do a lot with that space.  And you're own bathroom and fridge - you won't have to go in the house very often with all those comforts!

Can't wait to see it all come together.
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on July 26, 2018, 05:26:20 AM
Huge!! and with water!! and a loo!!

Styling Bill, styling!!

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on July 26, 2018, 05:39:55 AM
Where is the kettle and the combination oven/microwave  :thinking:

I can recommend an Island bench for fitting out models  :ThumbsUp:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on July 26, 2018, 08:33:14 AM
Hello Bill,

Well I do not see a telephone or computer...so I am guessing that once your material supply is completed that you will lock yourself in the shop and no one will hear from you for a long time. Beautiful shop and layout.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on July 26, 2018, 12:58:33 PM
Wow!

What an amazing journey!

Thanks for sharing it, Bill. It's clear that lots of us can identify with that feeling of excitement and potentiality.

It occurs that even clearing those trees is part of the process of creating the engines you will in due course build in the shop. No separation.

This is your time, right now.

Enjoy...!

 8)

gary
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 26, 2018, 01:12:38 PM
Thanks lady and gentlemen. An island bench is a definite possibility and I already have a leg set for it where the Kennedy cabinet and Sherlines are proposed to go. Phone? Will use the cell. Computer? Laptop and hoping the WiFi will reach from the house. Microwave and espresso machine will go next to the fridge. Again another set of bench legs are there but both will also need new countertops.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on July 26, 2018, 01:25:08 PM
Laptop and hoping the WiFi will reach from the house.

If the wifi doesn't reach, this is pretty easily remedied. I'm looking into the appropriate wireless transmitters and when it comes to it, I will gladly pass on my solution to you once I have implemented it myself. There are basically transmitters readily available that plug into your router to send a signal over decent distances, and not too expensive. Being able to look up info in the shop is very nice, so I want a computer available in mine, be it laptop or whatever.  :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 26, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
Thanks Prop. Since the house and shop will be perhaps 200-250 feet apart, something like that may well be needed. I am assuming it can still be done with the usual security protocols.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Stuart on July 26, 2018, 03:18:33 PM
The security protocols remain the range extenders only broadcast what there , but you need one at each end .

Best bet but not possible as your services are in would have been to drop in a pvc pipe and pull in a Ethernet cable and draw wire between buildings
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Twizseven on July 26, 2018, 04:15:53 PM
Wireless PTP (Point to Point) bridge solutions are easy to implement and pretty cheap to be honest.  You can buy a pair of Ubquiti Nanostation M5 bridges for £160 in the UK.  I guess they would be similar or cheaper in the States.  These will easily cover the distance you are talking about and are secure.  I believe with the correct configuration one can even broadcast wifi for local devices, but I have never tried that.

Colin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on July 26, 2018, 05:00:57 PM
Nice looking layout Bill. You know us country boys: how fer away is your nearest neighbor? 

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on July 26, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
Wireless PTP (Point to Point) bridge solutions are easy to implement and pretty cheap to be honest.  You can buy a pair of Ubquiti Nanostation M5 bridges for £160 in the UK.  I guess they would be similar or cheaper in the States.  These will easily cover the distance you are talking about and are secure.  I believe with the correct configuration one can even broadcast wifi for local devices, but I have never tried that.

Colin

Perzackerly. They are about the same in dollars over here. Seen some for 125 ish, haven't had time to implement them yet, but that's the plan.

We need access to our MEM forum after all!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on July 26, 2018, 05:38:47 PM
Thanks for the info guys. That is a ways off but still good to know solutions are available. Cletus there is a neighbor back behind the shop but I planted a line of Leyland Cypress trees years ago so I can barely see their property now.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 07, 2018, 10:29:12 PM
Not a lot to report as the heat and rain hasnt allowed much progress, but I was able to meet an electrician out there today for replacing the main circuit breaker box, and also the HVAC guy who will quote on a heat pump system. Still waiting on quotes for siding and a new metal roof. These guys must be busy these day as I am having trouble even getting them to look at the job and give me a quote  :cussing:.  At least with the HVAC system I can work inside on some of the interior renovations. No pics as there's nothing to show, but hopefully the next week or two will show some progress.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 08, 2018, 12:13:53 AM
Good to hear a progress report Bill. I was hoping that you wasnít going to encounter those type of labor issues. Itís awful here. There is so much building going on in Nashville that the labor force has really been taxed. Contractors donít wonít to lose a job, so they just keep promising and putting folks off. Iíve become accustomed to the fact that if they can get to you quickly; you probably donít want them anyhow. Just stock up on the G&T and enjoy the show  :old:

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 08, 2018, 01:17:40 AM
That coud be part of it Celtus, though the two I saw today I only contacted this morning. The roofer guy and the siding guy will get a follow up call tomorrow asking if they want the business or if I need to look elsewhere!!  I am at the point I want to get moving on this.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on August 08, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
That coud be part of it Celtus, though the two I saw today I only contacted this morning. The roofer guy and the siding guy will get a follow up call tomorrow asking if they want the business or if I need to look elsewhere!!  I am at the point I want to get moving on this.

Bill

Same problem out here Bill. The lot next door was staked out for a house last Nov., temporary power set up and that's been it!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on August 08, 2018, 03:29:03 PM
That coud be part of it Celtus, though the two I saw today I only contacted this morning. The roofer guy and the siding guy will get a follow up call tomorrow asking if they want the business or if I need to look elsewhere!!  I am at the point I want to get moving on this.

Bill

Same problem out here Bill. The lot next door was staked out for a house last Nov., temporary power set up and that's been it!
Sounds like a perfect neighbor.Very quiet, no bright lights, and they ran in extra power for you to tap into...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 14, 2018, 09:48:42 PM
A bit of progress....the electrician will start Monday replacing the 115/230 panel and the power company will be out tomorrow to remove the meter for that work to proceed. As soon as that is done I can get the heat pump put in which will make it a LOT more comfortable inside.

Even so the humidity was down today and no rain for a change so got the grass cut (again!) and spent some time getting the mill cleaned up but more to go on that. It's a start though.  Really need the house contractor to bring out that dumpster though so I can toss a lot of stuff from back in the injection molding days that isn't needed now for engine work.

Here is a picture of the mill.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 14, 2018, 11:01:26 PM
Progress!

And wow...that's a step up from the Sherline.

What's that sheet over to the left? Looks like a huge brass sheet.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 14, 2018, 11:59:22 PM
Um....it's a huge brass sheet...got it from my dad years ago. I'll find a use for it eventually :)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on August 15, 2018, 12:02:28 AM
That's a mighty nice looking mill you've got there, Bill!
And it'll be fun to get power to it soon!  You're really moving along!

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on August 15, 2018, 12:03:53 AM
That's a proper mill son!...

Steamer likes!!! 8)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 12:10:07 AM
It was great for mold making. Has never seen much other than aluminum and brass. With a little more clean up and polishing, it should be as good as new. The DRO is very basic, no functions other than in/mm conversion and reset/present for X and Y , but it will suffice.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on August 15, 2018, 12:19:39 AM
Well, the X/Y/Z position is about all I ever use.  I've got spreadsheets that can figure out Bolt Circles and things like that.

It's fun to have all those features, but I've never used them.  I'm sure others do, but I'll bet not very often!

You should be set!

But wait... no Z axis*?  That may need to be fixed! :)
Kim

*Or should that be "no Zee axis?"  :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on August 15, 2018, 12:25:26 AM
...*Or should that be "no Zee axis?"  :lolb:
Please, NO pictures of THAT!    :o
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 12:27:31 AM
Kim, when I need a Z axis depth, I normally set the tool on the surface of the work, set a solid quill stop and zero the knee dial, and then raise the knee the required final depth. Just the way I have always done it. I could retrofit one of those caliper type thingys on the quill if I find the need down the road.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: toolznthings on August 15, 2018, 01:15:43 AM
Nice progress on the new shop !  :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on August 15, 2018, 01:40:48 AM
Kim, when I need a Z axis depth, I normally set the tool on the surface of the work, set a solid quill stop and zero the knee dial, and then raise the knee the required final depth. Just the way I have always done it. I could retrofit one of those caliper type thingys on the quill if I find the need down the road.

Bill

I do the same thing Bill.

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Larry on August 15, 2018, 04:28:21 AM
Great looking mill ! I do the Z axis the same way.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on August 15, 2018, 04:40:45 AM
When I started there wasn't any other way.  :old:

Gotta get all done in time for winter, Bill. I always like to watch someone else do that work... :paranoia:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Thanks for looking in guys. Once I can get the outside work done and the heat pump in, the inside work will be a lot more  fun. These hot August days make it like a steam bath even with the doors open.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gbritnell on August 15, 2018, 02:19:45 PM
When I started my apprenticeship we would always set the quill to the work at a minimum, lock it, then use the knee for depth. The knee was calibrated, the quill wasn't.
Oh by the way, super nice looking milling machine!
Gbritnell
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Good to hear others are doing it the same way. I have checked the X andY dials against the DRO and they are dead on. So I assume the knee dial is as well but usually check critical depths with a depth mic before making the final cut.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on August 15, 2018, 04:51:15 PM
Nice mill  :ThumbsUp:

One often over looked measuring device is the humble dial gauge: nothing stops you using one of those on the vertical sheer to give you repeatable accuracy on the Zee axis if you need it  ;)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 15, 2018, 08:10:09 PM
Looking good Professor (Ret.): Thatís the way the military officers do it ainít it  :lolb:. You may be far enough south and east to get by with a heat pump in the winter, but, I hate mine. The A/C side does well enough, but, the heat side will freeze you to death here in Springbucket. I wish I had payed the extra moths and had a natural gas line run. Nice milling machine. I concur on the Z axis thingee. I have my quill on a DRO, but, I mostly use the knee as described. I have checked it with an indicator and find that I can usually get within a half a thou. I think the weight of the table reacting on the Z axis makes it much more repeatable and accurate. Though too much of anything is bad, Iím kinda glad in one respect that yíall have had some rain; as Granddaddy would say: ď weíve been drier than a popcorn fartĒ :lolb:  Worse tomato crop Iíve seen in years  :facepalm:. Tell everybody I said hey.

Rev. Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 08:26:33 PM
Rev., I prefer gas also but I am too far out in the country for natural gas to be an option. The only other option is bottled gas (propane) and I'm not crazy about that. For most of our winter days the heat pump will be sufficient and they are common in these parts. Waiting on the siding guyto show up now. Hope I don't get stood up...lol.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on August 15, 2018, 09:09:21 PM
:thinking: Personally if I had the space I would go with a log burner for the workshop.

I have a 6KW burner in the house and six years ago when the oil fired boiler packed up I found that running the log burner keeps most of my house habitable for the entire winter and the odd electric heater picks up any cool spots for a small fraction of the previous heating costs :)

Jo

P.S. I don't pay for the logs  :cartwheel:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 15, 2018, 09:23:15 PM
I use propane for my shop and house - works great. Have to have a delivery truck bring the propane out and fill my tanks, but the ceiling mount Reznors really heat the shop fast and maintain it well. However - I have no idea what the infrastructure in your part of the country is for such things - might be beastly expensive.

To be honest, I think your in floor heat solution is great for where you live, and I mostly typed this because I wanted to join in on a thread.

I'll go and stand in a corner again.

PS that's a jolly nice mill.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 10:02:50 PM
Thanks for joining in Prop.  Today was more productive. Met with the house contractor so hope to see some footings next week. Also the siding guy showed up so awaiting a quote from him tomorrow. Good news is he can do the roof too. I said add it to the quote so we'll see. I think I noted already that the dumpster will be there tomorrow. Things are looking up.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 15, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Jo, I can't say from personal experience, but have heard that wood burners ever if we'll vented can leave a residue in the air that can cause rust on metal surfaces. Anyone else heard of that?

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on August 15, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Looking good!

Great looking mill.

I'm with Jo on the woodburner   8)

Haven't heard that they give off something that creates rust, but you definitely do need to have an air vent in the same room to make sure the stove doesn't guzzle all the oxygen...

gary
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 16, 2018, 02:42:55 AM
to give you repeatable accuracy on the Zee axis if you need it  ;)

The Zee axis is a hypothetical construct, built in imagined space, and has no discernible value other than to want me to want one and for others to desire to be me.

The Z axis on Bill's mill will be used to build real and fascinating things.

The large propane tanks were/are pretty popular (or rather common) back home. I also see several even around here in southeast Pennsylvania.

A couple of houses ago we had a a wood burning insert for the house. It was great and made the house comfortable.
But for the shop...I'm not so sure. Takes quite a bit of maintenance and unless you're in the shop (and you may be) most of the day...everyday...it may not be worth it.
On the other hand...you've got quite a bit of wood fuel, right?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 16, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
I think maybe some of the older wood stoves could have caused a problem due to the natural acids and moisture in the fuel, i.e. wood. However, the newer versions are so much better engineered and efficient, I wouldnít expect any problems

Eric
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Maryak on August 16, 2018, 10:03:39 PM
Quote
Thatís the way the military officers do it ainít it  :lolb: .

Rev. Cletus


It sure is e.g. Lt. R. Holme SDEN(ME) RAN (Retired) :toilet_claw:

Gas Burners, Yes; Oil Burners, Yes; Coal Burners, at a pinch; Wood Burners, PITA.


Regards Bob
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 16, 2018, 11:00:41 PM
Yeah!! I now have a dumpster, but didn't arrive till later this afternoon so pitching begins tomorrow!! This morning I felled two of the last three trees next to the shop. The last one I will get before siding begins. Pictures below.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 17, 2018, 01:59:39 AM
Yeah!! I now have a dumpster, but didn't arrive till later this afternoon so pitching begins tomorrow!!

Yay! More pictures tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on August 17, 2018, 05:28:10 AM
 :popcorn: :popcorn:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 20, 2018, 08:34:10 PM
Well, we have a new electrical panel. Still some finishing touches like labeling the circuits, final inspection, etc. Since the incoming service and meter are rated for 200 amps, the new panel is also. The old one was only 150. Even the old one had spare slots for breakers, the new panel should have more even after putting in the two double breakers for the new heat pump and air handler system. I will be keeping two dedicated 230 volt circuits as well as they may come in handy for things like a heat treat furnace in the future. They had previously been used for a window AC unit and a pellet dryer from back in the injection molding days, neither of which are needed now.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on August 20, 2018, 09:05:26 PM
 8) Be careful when you put the cover on that Bill - I am sure the Workshop Gnome moved into my 3ph box when I installed it  :disappointed:


Thankfully he seems to have been busy in there, I am hopeful it is all just DIY and I have not seen much of him since. My only concern is that he might have been busy extending the family and I will inundated with workshop Gnomes looking to collect shiny things in the future  :facepalm:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 20, 2018, 09:53:17 PM
Cover on successfully Jo and no inhabitants that I know of though there is plenty of room in there  :D

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 20, 2018, 10:22:41 PM
Looking good Bill. Nice to have plenty of capacity for sure. Looks like a solid install, all to code and above board. Got to like that. I had a go at house hunting last year - some of the things you find are shocking. or at least - could very well be. :D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 20, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
Red insulation is a new one on me for house wiring and I don't recall seeing any when we renovated the house last year.
Something different about usage? Different codes in your area?

Don't you love seeing an open electrical panel so you can see all those electrons moving to/from your machines?  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on August 20, 2018, 10:57:05 PM
Red is used for a second leg on 220, for traveler wires on multiple switches for a single fixture, and other things. Not for "normal" 120 stuff.

One comment, a pet peeve of mine: Most electricians do a panel like yours, Bill, and don't leave service length in the wires. Wires should come into the box, go up (or down) the length of the box then back down (or up) to the breaker. This ensures that there is enough wire to reach any breaker in the box, so if re-location of a breaker is necessary the wire will still reach.

I also see that the top right has rain-tight EMT connectors. Is that a local requirement or just what was to hand? No problem, just curious.

OK, I', OCD about a lot of stuff..

 :popcorn: :popcorn:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 20, 2018, 11:04:13 PM
Most of there wires were run about 25 years ago when I bought the property. The only new wires run today are for the outside heat pump unit, attic air handler and an outlet for each for service purposes I guess, to meet local code. The outlet (plus a light in the attic) have to be on separate circuits from the main disconnects for the air handler and compressor units. Hopefully it will all pass inspection tomorrow. I am tired of working in the dark  :zap:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 20, 2018, 11:28:22 PM
Thanks Pete. I do recall some of that now.

I am tired of working in the dark  :zap:

I'm always in the dark.

Don't get tired of it. Once in a while the ol' light bulb flicks on and you want to be able to see it.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 21, 2018, 12:24:00 AM
Iím still following along with you. Hereís a good one for yíall. I have a customer that has a severe ant problem in his shop. They work their way into the light switches and start tripping breakers  :shrug: 

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 21, 2018, 12:35:34 AM
Yeah but they only do it once  :Lol:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 21, 2018, 12:46:19 AM
Sorry if this is a tangent...but what do you do about the ants?
I have a light switch, as well as the pool on/off control, and the stinking ants get into the switches and ruin everything.
What do you suggest to keep them away?

I only ask because wife keeps bugging me about the pool light.
Which I don't understand. We're not out there after dark. (Not that I wouldn't want to be...IF...you know what I mean  :lolb: )
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on August 21, 2018, 12:52:58 AM
Bill i am late to the new shop and home buddy but glad for you my friend. :ThumbsUp:

Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 21, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
Sorry if this is a tangent...but what do you do about the ants?

Ortho home defense. It really works.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 21, 2018, 01:51:02 AM
Sorry if this is a tangent...but what do you do about the ants?

Ortho home defense. It really works.

I'll give it a try. I'm at the point I'll try anything including flame throwers.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on August 21, 2018, 01:54:20 AM
Couple years ago I had a carpenter ant ant pro, used a granual product that the ants take back to the nest, worked great. Don't recall the name, the home center carried it. Spectracide also makes a great ant spray.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 21, 2018, 03:18:02 AM
Sorry if this is a tangent...but what do you do about the ants?

Ortho home defense. It really works.

I'll give it a try. I'm at the point I'll try anything including flame throwers.

I live in a very sandy area, ants are a problem. This stuff solved it, when nothing else worked. Good luck!

Bill, apologies for going off topic 
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ian S C on August 21, 2018, 03:37:04 AM
Borax works ok for getting rid of ants, just put some brazing flux on the ant trail and try that, as long as the flux contains borax.
Ian S C
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steamer5 on August 21, 2018, 10:14:04 AM
Hi Bill,
 Shops coming along nicely!
Always interesting to see how stuff down in other places, & the comments on red wires. Down this end of the world red is for positive, power & lights the same.
Some years ago the code was red positive, black neutral & green for earth. A mate worked for a cable company & a world wide pole on what would become the international colour coding.....needless to say getting agreement meant that things changed! Red positive, brown neutral, yellow/green earth.

I'm with Pete on sparkies, they drill a hole that you can only JUST get the wire thru.....my pet hate is bringing the wires to the board thru the top plate, you can only drill a certain sized hole & a limited number so if you need another wire...good luck! Why they don't make a trunking that can be put in is beyond me!

Zee,
 Go after them with a surface fly spray, gets the ones that are there & when there mates turn up they carry it back to the nest. We have a product here call "Ants in Ya pants" works really well! 

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 21, 2018, 11:31:33 PM
Electrical passed inspection today. Power meter should be back in tomorrow. HVAC work commences Thursday or Friday, and siding/roof late next week. That's it for today.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on August 21, 2018, 11:33:24 PM
Great progress on the shop Bill.


Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 21, 2018, 11:59:48 PM
What? No pic of the certificate?  :lolb: :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on August 22, 2018, 12:03:59 AM
When I added a great room on the back of the house, they did all the inspections and such during the work. Several years later, the town did an audit, and realized they could not find their own records of some of the electrical inspections they had done around town, so the sent a guy back to recheck it. Since all the insulation, panelling, trim, etc was added as the room was finished years before, all the guy could do was stick a test probe in one outlet, then look around and say 'nice room!' and sign off on it again! Our tax dollars at work...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 22, 2018, 12:15:38 AM
Nope, no pic of that. I do have my limits :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 22, 2018, 12:18:48 AM
Great news Bill. Sometimes with inspectors, you never know. The last two Iíve had inspected; he walked in, looked at the permit and who pulled it and then asked what was on the menu at the store as he signed off: the one before that; I think he counted the strands in the wire  :shrug: :lolb:. That A/C is going to be better than color television

Rev.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 22, 2018, 01:11:58 AM
Don't get me started. When we renovated the home last year...the entrance to the garage was moved so that could you drive straight in from the street instead of coming in and turning 90 degrees.

Despite the fact that there are numerous homes around here with that configuration...our friendly zoning guy insisted that the driveway could not go straight out from the garage to the street. So now...when backing out of the garage, you have to turn one way and then the other before reaching the street. It's a pain, easy to hit the house, and makes us look stupid. There's not one house in the entire development that does that.

I'm thinking our contractor was too cheap to give the guy a few bucks on the side.

And water! So many restrictions to ensure proper run-off. Well...how about fixing the street so that the water from half our neighborhood doesn't come down my driveway?

Sorry. A bit of a rant. And probably nothing that everyone else hasn't had to deal with.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 22, 2018, 01:26:04 AM
Chris, this guy spent way more time taking the panel cover off and putting it back on than looking at what was inside. Didn't even check the attic disconnect and outlet/light switch.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 22, 2018, 02:31:34 AM
My electrical inspector checked the lights worked, gfi tested a couple of circuits, then had a chat about Triumph motorcycles.

So, quite thorough really.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on August 22, 2018, 04:24:20 AM
One step done now on to the rest!  :cartwheel:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 22, 2018, 11:42:32 PM
Nothing new on the shop but the footing we're dug today for the house. You can see the shop way in the back of  the first picture.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on August 22, 2018, 11:56:59 PM
Hey Bill,

Man that is some red dirt. I would bet that is packs down real good.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on August 22, 2018, 11:57:16 PM
Did the excavator operator get lost in the second photo, or did he have to detour around the stupervisor? What is that loop for?
 :thinking:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 23, 2018, 12:47:39 AM
Maybe Bill should consider swapping the house for the shop.

Well.. he might consider it (and may have already) but I'm sure other interested parties would put a quick end to that.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 23, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
This was after the excavators left. Chris the loop is for a bay window facing out to the back covered porch. We have an abundance of red clay here and even though this was filled the recent rains have compacted it so it is very hard again now that things have dried out. Zee, let's not even go there. I can do whatever I wish as far as the man cave, even if I have to give in on some aspects of the house. I can live with that very well :whoohoo:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 01:07:19 AM
On the house front, we have footings now  :whoohoo:.

On the man cave front, the trashing and clean up continues as time permits. The mill seems to have adopted a new friend in the process however. On the down side the main distribution manifold for the one shot oiling system is shot. Two of the threaded spigots have broken and I haven't been able to find a replacement so I plan to fabricate one out of brass. The original looks to be cast potmetal which I think can be easily improved on.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 25, 2018, 01:34:12 AM
Ooooh - how do you like that Kurt? I was thinking of buying a 4Ē Kurt - sold a motorcycle to buy that and other tooling. Worth it?

Everything is looking really great - going to be a VERY nice pad.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 02:03:48 AM
Stuart, I haven't used it yet but they have made a lot of improvements since my original Kurt some 25 years ago. I purchased a lot of Kurt clones at the University and while acceptable, they just aren't the same. Oddly I found the best deal direct from Kurt...free shipping and no state sales tax. I will likely get a spider handle for it at some point.

Bill

Edit...I just checked their website and as of today that have added a 3% surcharge to cover tarriffs  :hellno:. Bummer but fortunately I got in under the wire.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on August 25, 2018, 06:30:50 AM
I will likely get a spider handle for it at some point.

Bill, what type of handle do you mean by a "spider handle"?  :noidea:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
Something like this Jo...

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on August 25, 2018, 12:58:48 PM
Is that not a bit big? or is it designed to slide on and off?

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
Jo, yes they will slide on and off but are around 9" in diameter and designed not to interfere with the table, or Y axis so that they can be left on. The handle that comes with the vise (see below) while good for leverage is too long and generally must be taken off each time to avoid interference with the knee or Y axis handwheel.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: toolznthings on August 25, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
Something like this Jo...

Bill

Bill has the right idea, IMO. I have the three spoke handles and that's pretty much all I use for everything. If I need extra torque for a certain job a
3/4 combination wrench is plenty. Yes, they stay in place or slide right off.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: jonesie on August 25, 2018, 01:58:23 PM
the real kurt vises are the best,the way they are designed they tighten up with not alot of force,not like the old bridgeport  vises where you had to use a hammer on the handle to get them to hold a piece tight. they are money well spend.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 25, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
Nice pad for the pad.
We're getting close to September. What's the time frame for completing the home?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on August 25, 2018, 02:20:19 PM
Hello Bill,

Work is progressing quite well it looks like. Is this foundation going to be a "post tension slab"?

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 25, 2018, 02:22:17 PM

Edit...I just checked their website and as of today that have added a 3% surcharge to cover tarriffs  :hellno:. Bummer but fortunately I got in under the wire.

Drat, and double drat - I knew I should have pulled the trigger two weeks ago. Wasn't sure whether I'd get the benefit over a copy version on my little Grizzly mill.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 25, 2018, 02:38:38 PM
Edit...I just checked their website and as of today that have added a 3% surcharge to cover tarriffs  :hellno:.

Interesting. A surcharge rather than simply raising prices.
Either to make it clear why the total cost is higher or in hopes the tarrffis go away (or both).
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 25, 2018, 02:55:45 PM
Carolina clay and a sweet new Kurt: a Southern boyís dream  :ThumbsUp:  What are the fixing holes in the fixed jaw side Bill? I have seen some ads for the new improved Kurt and havenít looked any deeper; avoiding temptation  :lolb:

Eric
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
Eric, the fixed jaw still has a key to line up with the base, but is now attached to the base with four screws from the top. Is that what you are asking?

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 03:23:30 PM
Thomas, you are right, the house will be on a slab. Zee, I really don't look for completion until spring. The contractor is good, but not known for speed...more into doing only a few custom homes at any given time.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 25, 2018, 04:37:39 PM
I guess so Bill. I just saw the countersunk bolts behind the fixed jaw and didnít think you had time to add any ďcosmetic features ď :lolb:

Eric
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on August 25, 2018, 06:15:54 PM
Thomas, you are right, the house will be on a slab. Zee, I really don't look for completion until spring. The contractor is good, but not known for speed...more into doing only a few custom homes at any given time.

Bill

A slab, huh?  I'm not familiar with that. Up here in the northwest, most foundations look like a short cement wall in the same shape as the outside walls of the house.  I'm not familiar with a slab.  Is that like people would use for a shed?  Just a slab of cement and build on top of it? Is that common for houses in the south?

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 07:16:05 PM
Kim, building on a slab is fairly common down here, but what you describe is as well. It can depend largely on how level the lot is. There are advantages and disadvantages to each.

Eric, take a look at their website site as it explains it a lot better  :LittleDevil:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on August 25, 2018, 08:08:08 PM
Go ahead and tempt me  :lolb:  If you are going with a slab build; did you check into geo thermal heating and cooling . Iíd think your locale would be a great candidate

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on August 25, 2018, 08:45:10 PM
Up here the normal is a full basement, block walls up to above ground then wood frame. Lots more toy/tool space...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 10:14:56 PM
Eric, kind of doing a little checking on that, but it hasn't gotten that popular around here yet, and I don't want to be educating the HVAC subcontractor at my expense.

Chris, basements used to be more popular, these days I think it's more of a cost thing unless there is a significant slope to the lot. Of course the tools will have their own building now.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 25, 2018, 11:34:09 PM
Having lived in southern Missouri long enough, we can't live in a house without a basement.
We spent a fair amount of time down there due to tornadoes.
Even though we now live in an area where what they call tornadoes...we would call dust-devils...we would feel naked without a basement.
Just seems safer.
I had a job opportunity in Huntsville but didn't take it because few, if any houses, could be built with a basement. And they get a lot of tornadoes.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 25, 2018, 11:56:40 PM
Well with wife's health, we are going for a one level house. More than enough for us ( with the detached man cave of course)  ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on August 26, 2018, 06:58:29 AM
( with the detached man cave of course)  ;)

Yes I can see the need for one of those and as far away as possible from my workshop as the last one thought he could just wander in and borrow my tools  >:(

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 30, 2018, 01:19:38 AM
The HVAC system install begins in the morning, and none too soon. I was out there working a few hours this afternoon and was ringing wet even working inside with the doors open.

Today, the main thing accomplished was a new way cover behind the table. The old one had seen better days ( photo 1). I had already removed the metal mounting strips, cleaned and repainted them, so this was a simple project overall. Just required so e trimming of the neoprene which was designed for a Bridgeport mill which mounts a bit differently.  Anyway I am pleased with the results ( photo 2). With a little more clean up it will look as good as the day it was new.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on August 30, 2018, 01:55:45 AM
Nothing to complain about there! I love being able to give something another life.

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 30, 2018, 02:04:23 AM
Pete there is lots of life left in the mill. But after years of sitting idle, I just want to make it up with some TLC. It's still as tight and accurate as ever, and I look forward to putting it back in regular service.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on August 30, 2018, 04:04:52 AM
and I look forward to putting it back in regular service.

As do we  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 30, 2018, 10:11:08 PM
Quick update for today. No pictures as there isn't much to show yet but the Heat/AC system is halfway in. The air handler unit is placed in the attic. The slow part is running all the airlines to the vents and return air duct. If all goes well this will be done by this time tomorrow. Meanwhile, more cleanup as long as I stayed out of their way :)  Pictures tomorrow.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on August 30, 2018, 10:50:45 PM
Progress! Looking forward to pictures of course, I do enjoy following along with these projects.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on August 31, 2018, 11:31:31 PM
Some good progress today. HVAC system still not finished but progressing. Mill clean up is done. Started on the lathe today. Will post some pics after dinner.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 01, 2018, 12:55:40 AM
After two rolls of paper towels, at least a hundred q-tips and a spray bottle of grime cleaner, I am calling the mill done and ready for service. The last thing I did today was to mask off the base and paint over the nicks and scars from dropped tools and such. It's looks and runs as good as ever I think (photos 1&2).

The HVAC air handler is in and the lines to the vents run. They will finish up on Tuesday. The outside unit is still being stored inside for now ( photo 3).

Once the mill was finished and the inside of the roll up door cleaned thoroughly, I turned my attention to the lathe. The handwheels and dials were removed and polished up (photo 4), the tailstock removed and cleaned up ready to be repainted ( photo 5), and the head cover remover and cleaned for painting as well (photo 6).

The last picture is of the foundation work on the house begun today, somewhat to my surprise.  Tomorrow it's back to work on the lathe again.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 01, 2018, 01:21:49 AM
The lathe, a 12" Craftsman Commercial was purchased by my dad in December of 1977. He had saved the manual and parts lists and passed those along to me in the late '80's along with the original invoices. This is for all intents and purposes an Atlas lathe rebranded for distribution by Sears.  I can remember well when the Sears big book still had such machine tools within it's covers along with horse tack and saddles. As a kid I would look through it for hours. What I find interesting is that the lathe with metal stand sold new in 1977 for $1346.80 including 51.80 sales tax at the time ( photo 2). Apparently the 3 and 4 jaw chucks were additional as shown in the third photo. The 3 haw was $140.20 and the 4 jaw was $101.95.  I can quite make out what the last item was. Times sure change huh!!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on September 01, 2018, 02:01:24 AM
Thatís great that you still have those documents. Great fun to think back on. Werenít the Sears lathes basically an Atlas?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 01, 2018, 02:05:17 AM
Yes they were Stuart. Even crazier, Sears has the parts diagrams online and in many cases still available, though the prices are definitely 21st century.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 01, 2018, 02:37:53 AM
This is great stuff. The setting up for, what were, dreams to become reality!
Envious.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 01, 2018, 02:52:43 AM
Thanks Zee. Hope I can get it looking as new as the mill. Already have some things lined up that I will need if for...larger flywheels, base for the cretors vertical oscillator and such. But I  am having fun refurbishing the machines while watching the various contractors refurbish the man cave. I'll get the fridge and microwave upgraded soon too, but other things are needed first. Invitation is still open though  :)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 01, 2018, 05:37:20 AM
The mill sure looks great,Bill!  That will be fun to use :)
I'm sure you'll get the lathe equally sipffed up!

Enjoying watching your shop improvement projects!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 01, 2018, 12:04:08 PM
Ok, going for the Otto look eh? :lolb:  Everything is looking top notch Bill. How you like that oil can?

Rev.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Admiral_dk on September 01, 2018, 12:49:20 PM
Nice progress Bill  :cheers:

I'm curious about the collet holder next to the mill - what prevents the collets from falling out/down ?

Best wishes

Per
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 01, 2018, 02:20:46 PM
Eric, I love the oil can and it works perfectly for oiling the 4-5 oil cups around the head of the mill. I put that picture in just for you :)

 Kim, thanks, I am looking forward to making some chips on it as soon as the A/C gets up and running  though there is plenty more to do inside the shop for the renovation. I have purposely not show some of the more cluttered areas and two big machines (the injection molding press and a friends second hand cold saw) still need to be removed which will free up a ton of space.

Per, That is just a piece of UHMW polyethylene sheet with holes bored for a close fit to the straight shank portions of the R8 collets. Its about 5/8" thick so with the close fit you actually have to pull the collets out. Both drill chucks have 1/2" straight arbors so they just fit in similar 1/2" holes. The other thing that is a bit hard to see is that I took an old style paper binder clip and screwed the back arm of it to the face of the collet holder. Great for holding a small note with critical dimentions, etc.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on September 01, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Hi Bill,

It will be special to work on an engine using you dad's old lathe. Shop is looking better with each new update.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 12:17:55 AM
Thomas he will be happy to see it back in near new condition.

Day three of the AC install and it running and cooling. Another few hours tomorrow rechecking the freon, running a vent to the bathroom, and generally tidying up. It should be nice and cool tomorrow morning. This unit is really quiet too!!! (photo 1).

Meanwhile, while watching them do their thing, I started in on the lathe cleanup. I am taking it a section at a time, cleaning things well with acetone, in some cases down to bare metal, but definitely down below the built up grime. Photo 2 shows the headstock cleaned and masked as needed just after painting. Photo 3 is after the masking was removed. The last photo shows the tailstock which is also ready to go now.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 05, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
running a vent to the bathroom,

I'm glad you understand priorities.
Nothing takes away from shop enjoyment more than an unexpected requirement.

 :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on September 05, 2018, 12:23:20 AM
Progress on multiple fronts, nice!
Are you going to re-side the shop? It doesn't seem to be in that bad of shape.


Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 12:26:59 AM
Yes as to residing and re-roofing too. It's worse than it looks Dave. That will be the final major thing. The rest of the inside stuff I can do myself...and now in a cool, low humidity environment too  :cartwheel:

No joke Zee. But the bathroom will be needing some interior renovations also.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 12:29:04 AM
The foundation masonary was finished for the house yesterday. One that is inspected, the plumbing will go in so the slab can be poured. No picture of that sorry.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 05, 2018, 12:29:18 AM
Really nice Prof (ret). Gonna be a sweet ďhome away from home really near the homeĒ  :ThumbsUp:

Rev

Edit: big power vent in bathroom  :lolb: :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 12:32:58 AM
Or not Rev.   One way to keep uninvited visitors away  :toilet_claw:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 05, 2018, 12:34:31 AM
Now thatís really Southern  :lolb:

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 05, 2018, 01:27:44 AM
You're lathe is looking mighty sharp there, Bill!  Are you going to be doing any internal cleaning too?  Taking things apart, cleaning & regreasing or anything like that?  Or just cosmetic work?

Great news on the progress on the shop and house.   When did you say you're planning on moving into your new home?

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on September 05, 2018, 01:47:52 AM
Yes, that lathe is looking very nice indeed. No surprise given the quality of your work generally!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 01:50:29 AM
Kim, yes I am doing some of that too, just not total disassembly. Though not shown in the pictures, I have redone the compound already and did take it apart. The same will be done for the cross slide and carriage. The head gears and quick change gearbox gears will all be cleaned and regreased though they are all in good shape as I never did much thread cutting on it and they are well protected from normal swarf and grime. The inside of the gear cover and spindle cover have also been cleaned and repainted as has the drive pulley cover.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 01:51:18 AM
Thanks Stuart. I was responding to Kim when you posted.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 05, 2018, 05:38:06 AM
Kim, yes I am doing some of that too, just not total disassembly. Though not shown in the pictures, I have redone the compound already and did take it apart. The same will be done for the cross slide and carriage. The head gears and quick change gearbox gears will all be cleaned and regreased though they are all in good shape as I never did much thread cutting on it and they are well protected from normal swarf and grime. The inside of the gear cover and spindle cover have also been cleaned and repainted as has the drive pulley cover.

Bill

Well, it's going to be a great machine when you're done with it!  You really get to know a machine well when you take it apart and rebuild it!  It gives you a special bond with the machine, doesn't it?

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 05, 2018, 01:59:12 PM
Very true Kim. And the family history adds to that as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 06, 2018, 01:52:34 AM
Very true Kim. And the family history adds to that as well.

Bill
Absolutely!  You have a very special piece of equipment there, Bill, in every respect!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 06, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Renovation continues even if slowly. The AC guys were finishing up yesterday and noticed a problem with the valve that changes from cooling in the summer to warming in the winter. Probably could have been resolved but rather than that they picked up a whole new compressor unit and are putting it in today so at the moment it's very warm again. At least though it won't be a patched up system from the git- go.

Meanwhile the recent Travers sale brochure had a couple of $20 items I have added to the mill. May be more trouble than they are worth but we'll see. The first is a small tray that will hold calipers and any other small sundry items used often. Edge finder and drill chuck key come to mind (photo 1). The other one is designed to hold that unweildy vise handle, dead blow hammer, etc (photo2). Both mount to the t- slot on the front of the table.

Cleaning and painting on the lathe continues as well, now working on the bed from the headstock end as shown in photo 3.

While that paint is drying, I have started on cleaning up the cold saw as it's starting to look like a decent machine again (photo 4).

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 06, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
Nice!

I like that idea of the vise handle and dead blow hammer holder. Unfortunately such a thing won't fit on my machine but it does give me an idea to save some space and have those tools handy. I will think on that.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 06, 2018, 08:28:52 PM
I think youíre gonna like the vice handle thingy, the tray will work well if you remember to cover it with a shop towel or something or Iíll guarantee you that you would be surprised at the swarf and crap itíll catch.

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 90LX_Notch on September 07, 2018, 12:24:43 AM
I'm very envious of your shop Bill.  It is going to be really nice once it is completed.

-Bob
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 07, 2018, 01:02:29 AM
Thanks Bob. I hope it turns out like I see it in my head.

Eric, there are only 3 small compartments, which I think I can blow out or vacuum out. If it needs a good washing, it will come off quite easily.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 08, 2018, 01:46:30 AM
Still thinking about the holder for the vise handle and dead blow hammer...
I'd said it wouldn't work on my table but I just realized I could fit something to the stand that my mill sits on.
Cool. That will save some space.
Only...I need to think about the swarf falling on top of it.  :thinking:

Setting up a shop is really enjoyable.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 08, 2018, 01:56:47 AM
Zee, it is basically just an "L" shaped of aluminum. Hardware is provided for the slot mounting but the same two holes could be attached to any flat surface.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 08, 2018, 02:14:54 AM
Zee, it is basically just an "L" shaped of aluminum. Hardware is provided for the slot mounting but the same two holes could be attached to any flat surface.

Oh I understand. What blinded me was that yours was mounted on the table. I can't do that. It took me a day to realize I could mount it to the table and enjoy.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 09, 2018, 07:32:55 PM
The phrase "make haste slowly" comes to mind but progress continues on several fronts. Carriage cleaning on the lathe has begun and the rest of the front side of the stand is done now. Sorry no picture of that. On another front I have a rather old ( name plate says 1977) Dayton commercial 6" bench grinder that I am cleaning up and repainting also. The main housings for the grinding wheels are cast iron and the outer covers cast aluminum (photo 1). Seems far better than what you can typically get these days so stripped those down to bare metal and painted them hammered black. The motor body was cleaned and painted with hammered gray  ( I kind of like this Rustolium hammered paint). See photo 2. While painted parts are drying, the clean up of the cold saw has almost finished ( photo 3) and it will be painted dark Hunter green. The front side of the stand door has been painted and is drying (photo 4).

Hopefully the re-siding and re-roofing of the building will commence this week. I must say it sure has been nice though walking in to a dry 72 degree shop as it is still very warm and humid outside.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on September 09, 2018, 07:45:20 PM
Dayton makes good stuff, certainly worth fixing up. I have an 8" Dayton the I purchased new probably close to 30 years ago; nice grinder.
I'm envious of your cold saw.

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 09, 2018, 08:06:48 PM
Thanks Dave, I meant to add that I have ordered two new Norton wheels for it as well which should be in tomorrow. One alum oxide and one green wheel for carbide tools. The cold saw was used a lot back in my tool and die days and gives a very nice finish on the cut edge. The vise can also be swiveled for cuts anywhere between 0-45 degrees. It will be good to have it available again as I don't have a horizontal band saw.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on September 09, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
That is the way I have mine set up too. One green and one white.  :ThumbsUp:

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on September 09, 2018, 08:47:32 PM
Hello Bill,

From the photo the Saw looks to be in great shape and no need for a paint job. The shop is looking very good.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 09, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
Thomas, mechanically and electrically it is in great shape. Unfortunately there is some minor water damage around the bottom of the base and I want to get fresh paint on those areas to protect against any further damage. I haven't been able to fine a similar color of green so just went with hunter green instead. If nothing else it will give an extra layer of protection even on the good areas since the saw is run with flood coolant always. Guess I could have used John Deere green to match the tractor, but it will be relegated to another location eventually as I want the shop space as open as possible.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 09, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
I have purposely not shown overall inside pics of the shop yet as the countertops are still cluttered and nasty!!  Once I get down to replacing those I will do some before and after shots....making progress but still rather embarrassing at the moment  :-[

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 09, 2018, 09:20:16 PM
I have purposely not shown overall inside pics of the shop yet as the countertops are still cluttered and nasty!!

Ha! I was wondering.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on September 10, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
Hey Bill, been seeing on the news that it looks like hurricane Florence is going to dump all over you guys in NC - hope you are able to get the shop/house construction all tied down well before it splatters swarf all over you!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 10, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Yes it seems headed our way Chris. I am about 4 hours inland from the coast but could still get tropical storm winds and lots of rain even here. The new house will be fine as it is barely out of the ground. More concerned about trees and loss of power. I still remember Hugo, which came straight in even this far inland. It wasn't pretty!! I am more worried about those on the coast as it is predicted to be a cat 4 when it hits the coast.

Bilk
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on September 10, 2018, 08:35:49 PM
Yes it seems headed our way Chris. I am about 4 hours inland from the coast but could still get tropical storm winds and lots of rain even here. The new house will be fine as it is barely out of the ground. More concerned about trees and loss of power. I still remember Hugo, which came straight in even this far inland. It wasn't pretty!! I am more worried about those on the coast as it is predicted to be a cat 4 when it hits the coast.

Bilk
Glad you are farther back inland, that will at least get rid of the tidal surge part of the storm for you.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 11, 2018, 09:27:41 PM
Just expecting gusty winds and lots of rain locally. Time will tell though.

Today I finished up putting the bench grinder back in running order. Cleaned, painted, new power cord, and new wheels. Looks and runs as good as new now.

Have also finished up the lathe repainting except for the back side. Will need to move it away from the ways though for that. I guess it's back to cleaning up in general now and finishing up the cold saw. The re-siding will have to wait till hurricane Florence passes now.

Bil
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 12, 2018, 01:12:26 AM
Looks brand new Bill.  :ThumbsUp:


Best wishes on the upcoming storm. That goes to everyone in its path.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on September 12, 2018, 02:33:49 AM
Bill,
I've been hearing on NPR the weather reports for your neck of the woods, don't sound pretty. Slow moving dumping lots of rain. We in Madison WI and vicinity understand that. My side of town got 9 plus inches of rain Cross Plains 20 minutes west got 15.3 a new state record for a 24 hour period. Storm sewers backed up & closed streets ect. Good luck & stay dry, Best wishes.
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Johnmcc69 on September 12, 2018, 03:11:41 AM
Great job on the grinder Bill. There's something satisfying about bringing the "old stuff" back to life.

 Great looking shop! Looking forward to the projects that come out of it.

 John
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 12, 2018, 05:57:04 AM
 The grinder looks as good as new, Bill!

Stay safe!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gbritnell on September 12, 2018, 11:38:36 AM
Aw, C'mon Bill, quit teasing us with the beautiful machinery! We want to see some projects.
gbritnell
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 12, 2018, 02:11:26 PM
Thanks guys. George...as soon as all the paint dries well I will begin making some chips once again. I need the mill for some continuing ops on the little pearl and the PMR #5. And I will need the lathe to finish of the flywheels for the Parsell and Weeds engine which is otherwise nearly done as far as machining goes.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 12, 2018, 07:38:37 PM
Grinder looks great Bill. The stuff built ďback in the dayĒ always seems to never wear out and what does can be replaced. Hmmm, kinda sounds like our generation  :lolb:. I know youíre loving the HVAC, another thing our generation is fond of  :naughty:.  Draw the storm shutters and test the pumps: keep us posted.

Eric

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Myrickman on September 12, 2018, 10:47:35 PM
Just read through most of the posts in this thread Bill and you have a nice looking shop coming along. Like the mill ; looks to be more than capable of some serious modeling. Having your dads lathe which was no doubt treated with TLC  is icing on the cake. Stay safe with the coming storms! Paul
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 12, 2018, 11:23:22 PM
Thanks Eric and Paul. Not much to report today but did finish getting the back side of the lathe cleaned and painted, so calling that done other than leveling it once I push it back in place.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 14, 2018, 12:45:56 AM
Well one corner is semi- presentable now. This is the heavy machine corner. Photo 1 is from the door into the bathroom looking beyond the mill to the lathe on the east wall. Photo 2 is from the other end of the mill looking back towards the corner. That container is full of mostly nylon and uhmw stock from back in the shops manufacturing days. Not sure yet what I will do with a little of it. Photo 3 is from the headstock end of the lathe looking towards the back wall and the bathroom door. The last picture is the refurbished lathe. To the left beyond the head end of the lathe will be 18 feet of new countertop. The old countertop has some water damage and is the last area I will get to. Still way to nasty to show  :-[

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on September 14, 2018, 01:59:59 AM
Thatís a beautiful space - youíve done the machines proud.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 14, 2018, 02:09:40 AM
Thanks Stuart. I am happy with how the lathe turned out. Mostly cosmetic work as it was in good mechanical shape already, but now rather than looking old and ignored, it looks freash and eager to make chips again. I did some checking this afternoon....no twist in the bed, just needs to be leveled left to right and front to back a smidge and it's good to go.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 14, 2018, 02:25:58 AM
Oh man...you've got to be one happy guy. What a space! Not just a space...but cool stuff inside!

Plus...a bathroom!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 14, 2018, 02:36:58 AM
Yeah well the bathroom still needs replumbing and that is high on the inside to do list. The area shown in the photos represents about one fourth of the available floor space once the molding machine gets gone, and ignoring the tractor parked in there for now  :ROFL: And don't forget the fridge and microwave  :naughty:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 14, 2018, 02:46:18 AM
And don't forget the fridge and microwave  :naughty:

You stink.  ;D Which is my way of saying I'm envious.

However...I don't have to go to the big house for goodies. Out of my shop...through a hallway...and goodies await.
Oh...you have that? But I suspect it's on YOU to supply your fridge. I need not worry about that.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 14, 2018, 02:53:15 AM
Well, Bill, the Heavy Machine corner looks really great!  Can't wait to see the rest of your shop :)

Love it!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 14, 2018, 02:57:29 AM
Zee, yeah on stocking the fridge. The "big house" will be about 100 yards away once built.

Thanks Kim. I look forward to it also. For the moment it mostly just in my mind, but it will get there.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on September 14, 2018, 03:16:50 AM
This is all really nice Bill................but where are your Sherlines going to go?  :thinking:  :lolb:

The weather looks brutal back there already. Stay safe.

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 14, 2018, 03:29:17 AM
Jim, the coast is getting slammed already even before actual landfall of the storm.  As for the sherline so, if you go to reply #55 there is a .PDF of the proposed layout. The sherlines will likely remain on the Kennedy cabinet they have been of for the last 20 years.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on September 14, 2018, 03:35:30 AM
Jim, the coast is getting slammed already even before actual landfall of the storm.  As for the sherline so, if you go to reply #55 there is a .PDF of the proposed layout. The sherlines will likely remain on the Kennedy cabinet they have been of for the last 20 years.

Bill

Perfect...............right in the middle of the shop where they're the "center of attention"!  :ThumbsUp:

Yes............it looked brutal on the coast when we watched tonight's news.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 21, 2018, 10:50:26 PM
Still making some progress. At least got cold water run to the laundry sink. Hot will have to await replacement of the water heater, but procured that today at Lowe's. Before that can happen I have to rip the bathroom out...paneling, floor, vanity, toilet. Got a start on that today but will take a while.   Also got one countertop removed so that workbench is ready for a new 10 ft. top. I am also repainting the covers for the two 6 ft sections of plugmold ( photo 1).

Someone mentionedq the lack of swarf.  Took care of that ( see photo 2). I was milling several aluminum pieced to make a holder for foredom handpieces (photos 3&4). Had the nateriam on hand so figured I could do that for a lot less than the $75 foredom wants for one. In the end it will store 6 handpieces on the vertical rod of the motor hanger system.

More as progress is made.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on September 22, 2018, 05:45:26 AM
Always good to see progress, Bill!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on September 22, 2018, 08:26:54 AM
A foredom hand piece rack  :thinking: It is so easy to keep adding to the job list :facepalm:

The workshop is going to be nice when it is finished Bill  :)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 22, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
 Thanks Kim. Jo that center piece the "H" shaped one needed to be cut out on both sides for a 3/4" slot. The mill with a 3/4 " endmill made short work of that with no strain at all. Nice to have all that power again!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on September 22, 2018, 04:03:08 PM
Bill buddy that shop is sure looking good bud and I know your chumming at the bits to get started machining those projects. Nice machines and layout buddy and .....I........like....... :Love:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 22, 2018, 04:28:49 PM
Thanks Don. May be a while yet but it's getting there.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 22, 2018, 04:51:41 PM
+1 on the looking good. Shop projects like the holder are a great way to spend time in the shop and just get to enjoy ďhogging off ď some metal and not having to worry about tolerances, just having it ďlook rightĒ   Enjoy it Prof (ret.)

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 27, 2018, 12:09:26 AM
Finally some more progress on the outside. The siding guys started today and got the new windows in as well as the new entry door. One side is about half done with the siding and should make a lot more progress tomorrow. Meanwhile the inside is filled with the siding materials. So far I am very happy with the new siding, much much better than what it is replacing. A few pics below.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on September 27, 2018, 12:13:58 AM
looking good Bill!
Will you be painting the inside?

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on September 27, 2018, 12:56:15 AM
Gee Bill, your not going to know how to act once you complete this. She sure is shaping up nicely buddy.
 :ThumbsUp:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on September 27, 2018, 01:16:25 AM
Hello Bill,

The new siding looks real good and will be no maintenance in the future.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 27, 2018, 01:21:11 AM
Thanks Don. Since it's my man cave, I guess I will act like a caveman  :lolb: :lolb:

Dave. The inside will remain natural OSB board, although 4 or Five 4'x8' panels will need replacing on the far side which I haven't shown yet, due to some water damage from the former window A/C unit. Only one or two panels were damaged, but I want to make sure so one panel on either side of the damage will be replaced also. May need to replace the insulation behind those also, just depends on what I find. That is still a week or so away.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 27, 2018, 01:24:55 AM
Thomas, the new siding is miles agead of the old. It has 3/4" of styrofoam laminated to the back of the vinyl panel which will provide even more insulation. Amazing the advances in panelling over the last 20 or so years. This new stuff is quite sturdy. Thanks for looking in.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on September 27, 2018, 03:41:05 PM
Excellent - can't overdo the insulation, you'll love it.

OSB inner walls is a great idea - makes hanging shelves, hooks, brackets super easy, plus it is much less expensive than sheetrocking everything.

While you're doing it though - might be worth giving some consideration to painting it. I did that on my OSB walls, and was amazed and pleased at how much it cleans up the look, and brightens the area. Takes a couple of coats because it does absorb the paint, but looks pretty good.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on September 27, 2018, 03:47:29 PM
Looking good Bill. How ya liking the Deere. Looks like a metal roof also: great ďnapping music ď during a rain  :cheers:

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on September 27, 2018, 06:05:24 PM
Now that's a shop!  Gotta put a ditto on painting the osb, it will brighten things up a lot, and with my old eyes, lighting is always a concern.  We used to be able to buy cheap paint from the recycling center (they would take everybody's old latex paints and mix them up, and sell 5 gallon pails for cheap, any color you wanted as long as it was beige), dunno if yours does that. 
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 27, 2018, 06:11:43 PM
Thanks guys. I will give the painting idea some thought and maybe do a test area. With some new OSB panels mixed in with the old and as you can see some lighter areas where cabinets had been, etc. It could even things out for sure.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on September 28, 2018, 12:59:49 AM
Hi Bill

When I asked about the painting I was thinking the same as the others, nice bright white walls will give you so much more usable light; and as we grow older we sure do need it. 
I didn't want to pick on you for choosing not to paint, it is your shop and I just figured that you have your reasons.

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steamer5 on September 28, 2018, 01:18:16 AM
Hi Bill,
Shops coming along sweet!
 Iíd be another to vote for painted walls. Grab a spray gun & it wonít take long. The difference in lighting is big...even go so far to say huge....not so much that you need to wear sunglasses though!
The other advantage is it makes cleaning up the chuck spray easy....you donít have to ask how I know!

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 28, 2018, 01:30:18 AM
My vote is bright walls too. I've gotten to the point I want as much light as I can get.
Except for in the morning. I mean early morning.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on September 28, 2018, 02:06:54 AM
When we moved in here 11 years ago the garage/shop was completely unfinished inside. No wiring, nothing. So when the wall board went up I had it fire taped and then I painted it all white. Two coats.

For the first time in my life I now have good light in all the corners.... :whoohoo:

Paint it, Bill! You'll love it.  :stickpoke:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on September 28, 2018, 02:12:24 AM
Everyone grab a brush - it's shop painting party time!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 28, 2018, 03:05:23 AM
How about a nice beige??

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 28, 2018, 03:08:01 AM
How about a nice beige??

Bill


Sure! If it's a white beige.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on September 28, 2018, 08:01:37 AM
I chose a light green for my workshop walls as it brings a summery countryside feel to the workshop with White ceiling to help the lights  :)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jasonb on September 28, 2018, 08:13:53 AM
I used a mid blue upto 4ft as I had a can spare and that is the area that tends to get marked more often or is obscured by machines/benches then white to walls and ceiling above that to reflect as much light as possible
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Stuart on September 28, 2018, 10:46:40 AM
Naw put plenty of good 1kw GES  lamps in and paint the walls black so it wonít show the dirty bits  :Jester:

 :stir: :stir: :stir:

No just use led daylight lamps and use any off white emulsion paint ,make a good jog as you will be very reluctant to do it over again  :lolb:


Stuart
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on September 28, 2018, 01:52:13 PM
Coming along nicely.

You are at the choosing the colours stage now. That's progress!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 30, 2018, 02:23:07 PM
Quick update from Friday and yesterday. The residing continues and 95%or the old siding has been removed. They should make some good progress tomorrow as to getting the remainder of the new siding up. With all the vines that had grown up over the years and worked their way beneath the siding in places, I feel very lucky there wasn't more damage to the underlying wood. Once the siding is up they will add the vinyl soffits and finish boxing in everything with alumimun to cover any remaining exposed wood like window casings, facia boards, etc. The I assume the roof will come in last but this is still progress.

Yesterday another surplus cold saw I was storing for a friend got picked up which freed up the last corner that needing a good cleaning. Old computer desk is now gone and I have more room to work on that far side. Hopefully it will start looking whole again after tomorrow or Tuesday.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 30, 2018, 03:53:07 PM
Is that three meters on the building?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 30, 2018, 04:11:28 PM
Yes Zee, one is for the well pump. One is for the 120/240v service to the building, and the third one is for the three phase power coming in. The original builder had separate meters for the pump and building for reasons I have never understood, but I have left it as is.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 30, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
Any thoughts on going solar? I suspect the shop may be a bit small but what about the new home?
We did that when we renovated last year. I'm pretty satisfied with it (although this hasn't been the best year because of so much rain).
Had a couple of months where we had excess production.
Take tax rebates into account. That covered more than a third of the cost and the whole thing should be paid off in another 8 years.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on September 30, 2018, 04:48:46 PM
Hadn't really thought about it Zee. I am considering a whole house standby generator though since wife is on oxygen. We we're lucky during Florence but the potential for power loss for more that a few hours got me thinking on that.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on September 30, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
Some solar systems include battery backup. We didn't take that route. We rarely lose power and when we have, it's for short periods and my generator is sufficient to keep food cold, have a light, and enjoy a movie.
We thought the battery technology will improve so we didn't put one in. We may later.
Even battery may not last as long as you may need.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on September 30, 2018, 05:15:45 PM
As a long term Solar Power Installation owner a couple of observations:

Most power is generated in the summer which is great for running the workshop and I get a desire to do my power hungry house chores on sunny days.
In the winter power generation can be as little as 300W on a dull dark day so when you really need it - it is not there  :disappointed:

I have a bit of clever electronics that dumps any excess power that I am generating and not using into the emersion heater on my hot water tank. I get paid for every watt I generate even if I use it so the trick is to use it all   :)


As for batteries: the power density is increasing and cost is reducing, they are not yet cost effective... I reckon another 5 years and it will be worth putting in a battery bank to offset the peak electric charging rate times of the day i.e. charge them when its cheap from the mains and use it when its dear. (An electric car might provide the bulk of this system ) In the shorter term a standalone UPS for the oxygen system should not be that costly.

Jo

P.S. My system fully paid for itself in 7 years  :cartwheel:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on September 30, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
Hadn't really thought about it Zee. I am considering a whole house standby generator though since wife is on oxygen. We we're lucky during Florence but the potential for power loss for more that a few hours got me thinking on that.

Bill
Bill I have had mine for about 10 years and donít regret it. But being on the gulf coast it is almost a must because of all the storms that we have here. Even regularly power losses here are pretty regular even without storms so good investment as far as I am concern. During Hurricane Andrew we had power out for months. So I donít think you would regret installing one.

Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Bobsmodels on October 03, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
Bill

Just caught up on your thread and I see things are moving along nicely.  Here is my vote for paint. In my shop all walls and ceilings were painted white.  The floor was painted with Tile Red.   The reason for the floor color was to create a contrast with the walls.  It is easy on the eyes and believe it or not the tile color makes it easier to see something small you dropped on the floor, especially a small screw or nut.    I also used some free software to get the lighting figured out.  That was in 2005 and the software I used is not available but I am sure there is some like it out there.  I was surprised by how much lighting it called out.  I put it in and it has been very good, I have actually added more - old eyes.

Bob
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 03, 2018, 09:17:27 PM
Thanks for looking in Bob. I currently have six 8 foot double tube flourescent fixtures in the main shop area. I have one 8 foot LED fixture to try out and compare light out put. If it's better I will gradually change them all out. I am leaning towards painting the walls as suggested. Not sure about the floor color yet. The half bath had a dark paneling which is being removed and thinking of using white bead board to replace it which should brighten it up some as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Twizseven on October 03, 2018, 09:44:17 PM
I have all white walls and red floor.  Also have 12 5ft LED lamps.  Cannot remember the exact wattage output, but I have lots of light.

Have painted the walls several times and where possible use vinyl silk emulsion, can wipe over this.

Colin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 03, 2018, 11:15:03 PM
The outside is getting closer. These guys are good but slow, which is fine with me. The east and west sides are complete as well as the front (north). They should finish up the back side tomorrow if all goes well, leaving just the roof which should go pretty fast. Now I need to clean the outside of the garage door and take a siding sample to Lowe's to match the color for painting. The inside is a mess at the moment, bathroom tore apart and the bench work on the far side removed from the wall so I can replace those panels which had some water damage.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on October 04, 2018, 01:11:28 AM
Looking good Bill and getting closer. I know your anxious to get it completed....... :ThumbsUp:



 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 04, 2018, 01:34:44 AM
Thanks Don, and yes I am looking forward to getting it done and my home machines moved out there and in place. Time to get back to some model making!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 16, 2018, 01:37:51 AM
After the rains from this last hurricane and getting through our Cotton Ginning Days weekend the shop roofing got a small start today over the bathroom addition, which was in the worst shape. Hopefully work will continue tomorrow on the main roof, weather permitting. See photo 1. Framing on the house also got started today so things should progress more rapidly for a while ( photo 2).

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on October 16, 2018, 01:47:08 AM
Nice!  Its an exciting time when the walls go up, things change so fast as work progresses.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 16, 2018, 01:58:35 AM
True Chris. Then it slows way down again, but at least not dependent on the weather once it's dried in.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on October 16, 2018, 02:11:23 AM
Nice progress Prof. I know yíall have had enough rain; we had four inches, roughly a 10cm  8) today. You got to be a strong man; I donít think I could go through the building process anymore.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on October 16, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
Hello Bill,

The now finished siding and trim makes the building look brand new. The roof will be the coup de gr‚ce.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 16, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
Thanks Cletus and Thomas. The building process isn't too bad though we have disagreed on a few things. I expect this will be the last house I ever build though, so trying to get things right.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 18, 2018, 11:23:29 PM
The outside is now finished. The roof was completed yesterday but I didn't take pictures until today.....see below. I am very happy with the new roof and the siding as well. It should outlive me for sure and still be in good shape.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 18, 2018, 11:25:20 PM
This afternoon I got the entry door and garage door painted. The color (even if it doesn't look it in the pictures is a very close match to the siding color.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 18, 2018, 11:27:13 PM
And finally the bathroom now stripped down to bare studs. Work on the inside is now the priority!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on October 18, 2018, 11:33:41 PM
Wow what a major change, it looks fantastic!

Are you concerned about that tree being so close to the foundation?


Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on October 18, 2018, 11:34:27 PM
Bill that is looking awesome bud and your going to enjoy your man cave


Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 18, 2018, 11:39:23 PM
Thanks Don.  Dave, yes it will come down this weekend most likely. It was needed by the roofers to tie onto to keep from slipping on the roof during installation.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on October 18, 2018, 11:50:40 PM
 
Thanks Don.  Dave, yes it will come down this weekend most likely. It was needed by the roofers to tie onto to keep from slipping on the roof during installation.

Bill

 :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 19, 2018, 12:27:14 AM
Speaking of stumps, etc. I have several I need to get rid of and can't (or don't want to) dig them out. The termite guy suggested boring a hole (or two) in the stump and pouring in full strength Roundup. He says by next spring they will have already started to decay. I know there are a lot of methods out there. Anyone got any good ones you have used successfully. Since these are all close to the building, burning isn't a preferred option as I don't want soot on the new siding.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on October 19, 2018, 12:32:01 AM
Hello Bill,

Shop look great!

I have rented a stump grinder in the past and it makes quick work on most stumps.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 19, 2018, 12:35:35 AM
Thanks Thomas, but these are all way to close to the building for a stump grinder I am afraid. I have already got the cut flush to the ground, just don't want the root system to keep spreading, especially that one remaining tree which almost touches the foundation. Perhaps I should have said I want to kill the stumps...total removal isn't a necessity.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on October 19, 2018, 01:34:39 AM
That look's beautiful, Bill!

Hope you can figure out how to kill the stumps.  Seems like some tree guy would know what to do for you (that would be my tactic :)).

Kim

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on October 19, 2018, 01:36:13 AM
I wanted to see you grind out the stumps with your mill. Turn the headstock around and have it hang out the window.....  :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 19, 2018, 02:37:35 AM
Thanks Kim. I may need to contact a tree guy for some other work also. There are a couple of other trees I would like to get down, just not as close to the building, but close enough to be worrisome.

Chris, maybe the sherline, it's portable after all  ;D. Then again, the Roundup might be faster  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on October 19, 2018, 07:28:06 AM
:thinking: That last one hanging on at the side I would drop at about 1m high and dig out by hand and cut the roots. Those little seedlings will vanish quick enough if you deep drill and fill with round-up. If you want to do flowerbed you will be saying naughty words about the rotting roots for a while  ::)

We hope to be stump grinding on Tuesday  >:D

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Admiral_dk on October 19, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
I do not like the amount of work involved in digging the roots out and are not keen on polluting the environment with roundup either Ö  :thinking: Ö so I would probably do what is very bad to trees - put cobber nails into them  :noidea:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on October 19, 2018, 11:29:22 AM
:thinking: Ö so I would probably do what is very bad to trees - put cobber nails into them  :noidea:

Copper nails doesn't really work  :disappointed:

Drill some holes, fill with round-up, then just keep the rain off it for a couple of weeks  ;)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Admiral_dk on October 19, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
Quote
Copper nails doesn't really work  :disappointed:

I do not know about roots - but a number off protected trees has been killed this way here in Denmark by neighbors that wanted to get rid of them  :'(
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Mosey on October 19, 2018, 01:15:29 PM
2018 Roundup Lawsuit News: In August 2018, a jury for the Superior Court of California ordered Monsanto to pay $289 million to Dewayne Johnson, a former school district groundskeeper, because of Roundupís likely role in contributing to his cancer. As a result, the number of glyphosate lawsuits against Monsanto has ballooned to more than 8,700 cases.

Are you sure you want to use Roundup?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: ShopShoe on October 19, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
I have had several trees to deal with over the years.

The best bet is to talk to your tree guy. On my own trees I had removed, I always had them quote a price for tree removal with and tree removal without stump grinding. (And my tree guy had a small grinder for use in "inaccessible" areas.) I have used several things to kill tree stumps in the past. In my area there are people at "Professional" landscape, gardening, and farm suppliers that will give advice on things that are more friendly to use and do not need certification to use.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Johnmcc69 on October 19, 2018, 01:55:30 PM
Very nice Bill! Looks great!

 John
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: propforward on October 19, 2018, 02:40:08 PM
Let me just be an unusual internet person by declaring openly that I know nothing about good techniques for removing tree stumps. That aside, the shop is looking just great - well done Bill!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on October 19, 2018, 03:11:08 PM
Looks great Bill. What are you going to use on the bathroom walls ? On the stump: you can drill it liberally with holes and pack them with rock or Epson salt. It takes awhile, but, it is safer than Roundup.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 19, 2018, 03:59:43 PM
Thanks for all the comments and stump ideas as well. Cletus, I don't care how long it takes. Just want it to work. Epsom salt would be safer I agree.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on October 19, 2018, 05:32:00 PM
Looking good, Bill. 

I've used the commercial salts (powdered potassium nitrate) for killing tree stumps, they work...ok.  Keeping the rain off probably helps; the first application had a pretty heavy wave of steady rain shortly afterwards, and we had some suckers come spring.  Dug out the suckers and re-treated the stump once we had a spell of dry weather forecast.  Haven't seen any recurring suckers, but haven't really looked; I assume the missus would have said something if they came back.  Have not tried the roundup method.

I have sucessfully ignored the stump this year, hopefully can continue to do so until SWMBO decides to plant something else there.

Is that chimney functional (i.e. you have a wood stove hooked up to it)?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 19, 2018, 07:44:25 PM
As far as I know it is functional. There is a smallish brick hearth inside next to where the mill is. Not a fireplace but a vent flue like for a wood stove. Now with the heat pump system, I don't anticipate using it though.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on October 22, 2018, 06:26:27 PM
Maybe a spot for a small coal forge?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 22, 2018, 10:55:20 PM
Afraid it's too close to the mill for that bent. Nice idea though.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 30, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
The house has kept me busy as it's dried in now, and other decisions have to be made to keep things on track. The shop is making some headway too, mainly the bathroom. The rough plumbing has been run in the walls, and the tile floor is nearly done but still needs grouting. Then the final plumbing for the water heater, testing for leaks, new insulation, new walls on the inside, then the final touches...lavatory, toilet, etc. Placed an order with Lowe's today for some of the larger things I need for the shop part that I have no way to transport including the 28 feet of new countertop that will be needed. Once I get that in and installed, I can start placing the smaller machines in their new homes. The picture is the bathroom as of today.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on October 30, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
You have not shown the bunk room for the shop elves. You haven't forgotten them, have you?   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 31, 2018, 12:25:54 AM
They have their own room Chris. I see that my shop dog's nylabone somehow got onto the bathroom floor though  :-* :ROFL:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on October 31, 2018, 12:51:04 AM
They have their own room Chris. I see that my shop dog's nylabone somehow got onto the bathroom floor though  :-* :ROFL:

Bill
Ah, thought that was your chew toy...   :LittleDevil:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 31, 2018, 12:57:23 AM
Too hard and tasteless...not even sure why the dog likes it!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on October 31, 2018, 01:20:27 AM
Too hard and tasteless...not even sure why the dog likes it!!

Bill
Hmmm, how do you know it is tasteless?....    :thinking:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on October 31, 2018, 01:25:07 AM
Use to be in the plastics business  :D

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on October 31, 2018, 02:14:03 AM
Use to be in the plastics business  :D

Bill
So you were paid to taste plastic!   :ROFL:

Gotta get Zee's PC fixed, he would be all over this!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on October 31, 2018, 04:47:17 AM
That is going to be a mighty fine bathroom for the shop, Bill.  I'm thinking you need the sleeping room for you, not the elves.  Then you won't have to bother to go in the house when you get tired!  You'll have all the amenities right there with you  :Lol:  Even the Nylabone!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on November 03, 2018, 01:34:51 AM
A bath room is a must I know I had no regrets when I put one in mine. Looking good Bill!


Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 15, 2018, 05:46:38 PM
Not much to report. The bathroom tile is down and just needs grouting now. Lowe's will be delivering all the larger items including the new countertops on Saturday. Once I can get those put in, things can start getting better organized.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on November 15, 2018, 06:02:39 PM
Ceramic or clay Prof.? Groutable tile in the shop ďofficeĒ  :thinking:: thatís my kinda guy  :ThumbsUp: :cheers: 8). So are the countertops Corian or granite  :thinking:.  Piccys upon installation required.

Whiskey
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 15, 2018, 06:20:06 PM
Ceramic Cletus. Should outlast me.  Still pondering on the bathroom walls though. The new office throne will arrive Saturday too  :lolb:

Countertops are post formed Formica. The last ones lasted and wore very well but going for a new look this time. The house on the other hand will be granite.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on November 15, 2018, 09:43:34 PM
The new office throne will arrive Saturday too  :lolb:

Top of the list for me.

Building a shop and house is exciting.
And, I don't know about you, but when I get excited (or get an exceedingly good fright)...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 15, 2018, 11:24:13 PM
And thinking ahead Zee, it's one of the higher ones too  :Lol:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steamer5 on November 15, 2018, 11:25:15 PM
Hi Bill,
 Coming on well..... I guess a tree outside the shop door in your climate isnít an option...... :lolb:

Ok down this end of the world the tilers donít tell you that grout is porous, & itís extra to seal it.....  :Mad: :cussing: but they also donít tell you that the seal they use has a ďlifeĒ  :Mad: I found a company that has sealing product that you can have in just about any colour you like, & it lasts  :whoohoo: once you decided  on the colour you pays your dollars & they come & its done. It doesnít let any thing thru...... our dog got old & during the night ...... well you can fill in the blanks, so when the under floor kicked in the perfume wasnít that great! I dug the grout out & had it replaced & sealed by these guys problem solved! 

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 15, 2018, 11:29:48 PM
True enough Kerrin. I have some sealer, but may change to one that mixes into the grout in place of the water. It is supposed to be more permanent as you describe. I can always add the surface sealer on top too if needed or for extra protection.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 15, 2018, 11:33:29 PM
Here is the countertop. And yes I know the colors will likely hide small brass parts that drop on to it and I considered that, but I just like it so I will live with that consequence.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on November 16, 2018, 02:53:38 AM
Bill,
I hate to correct you but I think the shop gnomes will do fine hiding brass parts without your help, thank you. :lolb:
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 16, 2018, 12:41:25 PM
Good point Art, and their cushy new environment will only add to their mischieviousness no doubt.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on November 16, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
Good point Art, and their cushy new environment will only add to their mischieviousness no doubt.


Bill
There a chandelier for them to swing from? At least a hanging work light...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on November 16, 2018, 08:09:13 PM
Wish I had have added a throne to my shed, but, Dogís fire hydrant out back handles most of the duties and if any other arise; well, itís a good excuse to go check on Lou  :lolb:. Be sure and snip the drops of granite from the house build; theyíll have several cutouts and they work great in the workshop.  Tell everybody off up there I said how they be doing.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on November 17, 2018, 07:46:26 AM
but, Dogís fire hydrant out back handles most of the duties and if any other arise;

 :ThumbsDown:

Ex-neighbour used to pee in a bottle...  New owner found gallons of the stuff  :facepalm2: absolutely stunk the place out when they threw it in the skip and had the boys squash down the contents of the skip  :toilet_claw:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Bluechip on November 17, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
Pity the Saltpeter Men are no longer about.

Could have made a few quid ..  :headscratch:

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-history-of-saltpeter-i.html

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: ShopShoe on November 17, 2018, 03:00:21 PM
Used to be a gardening expert on radio here who had home-grown recipes for every contingency a homeowner and gardener could come accross. Ingredients were often things like human urine, yeast, beer, dish detergent, cigarette ashes, cigar or pipe tobacco, etc.

Can't remember his name, he may still be on. I'm not a gardener, so I only listened for entertainment value.

--ShopShoe
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 18, 2018, 12:54:48 AM
The large items ordered got delivered "finally" today. Delivery window was 11-1. They finally arrived at 4:15. Lowe's is on my list now and will be hearing about it. Not the drivers fault, just very poor scheduling to say the least. But the stuff is here !!! Throne included 😁

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 19, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
Had a productive afternoon today. Got the bathroom tile grouted (photo 1). My knees are getting too old for this  :wallbang: but it's done. Now just have to seal it after it dries well. Also got the new throne installed and thought I took a picture of that but can't find it now. Looks good though as toilets go   :toilet_claw:

Then I got one of the new countertops put in and the foredom hanger system installed with swing down LED light.  The little unimat found its place but not tied down yet. The Cowells will go between the unimat and the foredom area. I will take it out tomorrow and figure out final placement for both lathes. Should leave  2 feet or so on the far right side of the counter for something else....future UPT perhaps.  The last two photos show this area. More to come as I get things transferred from home to the man cave.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on November 19, 2018, 10:18:45 PM
Hey Bill,

The counter tops sure look good. You will enjoy all that working space.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 19, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Thomas that is 10 feet of counter space. The opposite side of the shop will have an additional 18 feet of the same countertop. I am liking how it looks so far. Thanks for looking in.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Admiral_dk on November 19, 2018, 10:54:07 PM
Nice counter and I really like that you have power where ever you need it  :ThumbsUp:

A fine floor in the "booth" too, and though you have the "throne" placed as well, I feel there should go a few more "tight things" up before you start "playing" with water in there  ;)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on November 19, 2018, 11:06:17 PM
Depending on how 'airy' your shop is...I might go ahead and plug that hole until you got your chair (with water) installed.

But I don't how much of that is urban legend.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 19, 2018, 11:08:41 PM
Yes I agree. All of the plumbing will be checked for leaks before re-insulating the walls and panneling. I still needed to get the floor and grouting done to set the water heater in place though so one step at a time. I don't want more water damage after all this work!!
Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 19, 2018, 11:11:15 PM
Zee, nothing but clean water has gone into the septic system  since I started this or in the 12 years prior. The " hole" is now covered with the new toilet but hasn't been an issue even before that.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on November 20, 2018, 01:00:18 AM
. I still needed to get the floor and grouting done to set the water heater in place though so one step at a time. I don't want more water damage after all this work!!
Bill

Bill I installed a small hot water heater under my vanity for my shop since I do use a lot of hot water. Just saying......

Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 20, 2018, 01:55:44 AM
Don, I will be using a small 12 gallon heater which will be more than enough. It is replacing an old one mainly because the electrical supply already exists avoiding further wiring. I also need it both for the vanity and the laundry sink.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 20, 2018, 10:12:37 PM
Got the foredom stuff and Cowells taken out to the shop today. Just a few pics today.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on November 20, 2018, 10:14:23 PM
Nice to see you have got all the important stuff installed Bill :ThumbsUp:  ::)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 20, 2018, 10:15:58 PM
I assume you are referring to the lathe... :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on November 20, 2018, 10:19:44 PM
Very nice setup!


On the plug strip right above the bench, would suggest putting plug covers on any unused ones near lathe/mill, considering how swarf from brass/iron tends to fly, would not want to get it into an open outlet.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on November 20, 2018, 10:58:32 PM
Looking good Bill!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on November 20, 2018, 11:52:19 PM
Nice setup Bill but I think you need one of these with your Foredom setup........http://www.foredom.net/MALC15.aspx
Just saying.....

 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on November 20, 2018, 11:54:57 PM
Regarding the 'throne room'...what plans do you have for the library?

Every 'throne room' should have a library.

And make sure it's more permanent than a Sears/Roebuck catalog. Get my drift?

I dare not think about the amount of National Geo we have in our 'rooms'.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on November 21, 2018, 12:09:07 AM
Don, I have looked at that and its a nice set-up. Foredom has a 10% off deal I got an email about that's good till the first of the year I think. Who knows, I will put a bug in Santa's ear.  ;D

Zee I will have to give that some thought. I have years worth of Home Shop Machinist around in various places I hate to get rid of.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on November 21, 2018, 05:25:44 AM
Looks great, Bill!
Now all you need is to get the water hooked up to the throne so that its fully functional.  :toilet_claw:

That's a nice little cabinet that Foredom has there.  Drop a bug in Santa's ear.  You never know what might be coming down your chimney in a month!  ;D

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on November 21, 2018, 09:27:01 AM
Coming along nicely!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 01, 2018, 10:42:28 PM
Kim, the throne is fully working now which is handy :D. I didn't make it out there yesterday, but did for a while today. I had ordered two dust collector hoods for the foredom bench lathe and they came in yesterday. Set them in place and measured (photo1) between the elbows so I can make a "tee" adapter to connect my 1 1/4" shop vac hose to both hoods (photo 2). The shop gnomes apparently added to the order ( thanks Don) and included the lighted work chamber (photo 3). Luckily, I can connect to an air line there in that corner of the worknench, just have to make an adapter for 6mm air line to the chamber back.

Progress has begun on the far side of the shop now too. Two more old OSB panels need to be removed and replaced with new ones, then the workbench frames can be reattached and new countertops installed. Hope to get that done within a few days (photo 4).

Bill

Still things to do but making some slow progress.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 01, 2018, 10:45:28 PM
Moving really ght along. And thanks for no vids of taking the throne for a swirl...   :LittleDevil:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on December 02, 2018, 02:42:24 AM
Your shop is really shaping up, Bill!
Can't wait to see it all done (but I'm sure you can say the same thing!  :Lol:)
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 02, 2018, 02:46:35 AM
Thanks Kim. I am ready to get to the finish line so I can resume with three unfinished engine projects.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 08, 2018, 01:31:41 AM
Actually made a small bit of swarf today but it wasn't metal, rather a short length of 2" PVC pipe. The dust collectors for the bench lathe (buffer) came with elbows, but I wanted to connect them for stability and have a way to attract the 1 1/4" shop vac hose to it. 2" schedule 40 pvc pipe was just right for morning down the ends for a friction fit into the elbows and then a bored hole halfway between which will accept the hose end. A small job but I think it will work out well no more than the buffer is used. See photos 1 &2.

I have about completed insulating the bathroom as well, and still have two more OSB panels to install in the main shop area and things will be hearing the finish line.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on December 08, 2018, 01:39:02 AM
Hello Bill,

Hey swarf is swarf is swarf...even if it is PVC.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on December 08, 2018, 04:18:55 PM
Damn Bill now your making me jealous with all this tool acquisition. You wonít regret acquiring the work chamber bud itís a treat to use.


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 08, 2018, 07:45:16 PM
Thanks for looking in Don. And thanks for the recommendation as well. If nothing else, with aging eyes, the magnifier will be a great help.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 13, 2018, 10:39:16 PM
Short update. The bathroom insulation is complete as is the replacement of the four OSB panels on the far wall. Next is to reattach the final bench/countertop frame, put the last countertop on, and reattach the plug mold. Oh yes that window will need new trim as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 14, 2018, 12:37:16 AM
Its Certainly coming along my friend!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 14, 2018, 01:11:08 AM
Thanks Dave. At least the heavy and on my knees type work is gone now. Finally things can start going back together rather than demolition.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on December 14, 2018, 01:28:33 AM
Bill, be sure to put nail stops over that plastic water tubing before covering the wall!  Surprise water jets are not too funny....

Wish I had a head in my shop.....

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 14, 2018, 01:35:11 AM
Bill, be sure to put nail stops over that plastic water tubing before covering the wall!  Surprise water jets are not too funny....

Wish I had a head in my shop.....

Pete
Very handy, my model shop is in the back corner of the house right next to the bathroom, very handy to be able to go rinse parts, wash off grease, flush rogue shop gnomes...


 :embarassed:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on December 14, 2018, 02:38:21 AM
I'd settle for a wash tub type sink like I've had the last two houses! Washing parts and me....

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on December 14, 2018, 05:24:27 AM
it's coming along, Bill!
Yeah, it'd be nice to have a bathroom in the shop!  Quite a luxury!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 14, 2018, 12:52:43 PM
Pete, yes there is a laundry sink also, just outside the bathroom. It comes in handy for many things. Chris and Kim, thanks for looking in as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on December 14, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
I have a bathroom right next to my shop room..................wonderful!

Your shop is coming along nicely Bill. How about the new house?

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 14, 2018, 02:42:19 PM
Hi Jim, the house is coming along also, slight delay waiting on inspections but those are complete now. The house is dried in completely, rough wiring, plumbing, HVAC all done. Next week should see the start of drywall going in and bricking of the outside...so we are making some progress. The snow and ice early this week and rain all day today on top of that has made this week a bit of a loss but it has to dry up sometime right??

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 14, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
Hi Jim, the house is coming along also, slight delay waiting on inspections but those are complete now. The house is dried in completely, rough wiring, plumbing, HVAC all done. Next week should see the start of drywall going in and bricking of the outside...so we are making some progress. The snow and ice early this week and rain all day today on top of that has made this week a bit of a loss but it has to dry up sometime right??

Bill
Good to hear that it is progressing well, and I wanted to thank you guys down south for taking the last couple of winter storms for us northerners!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 14, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
You are welcome Chris  ;) I am sure you will get you share later in the winter though. At least you guys are equipped to handle it!! People down here go crazy at the first hint of winter weather  :insane:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 14, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
You are welcome Chris  ;) I am sure you will get you share later in the winter though. At least you guys are equipped to handle it!! People down here go crazy at the first hint of winter weather  :insane:

Bill
Yeah, many years ago I got stuck in Washington DC for 5 days when they got a foot of snow - all they had was half a dozen pickup trucks with plow blades for the whole district, they dug out the train tracks by hand, it was eery walking down these 8 lane boulevards in the capital with no one else in sight. All the northerners were looking out the hotel lobby windows, saying 'yeah, so, whats the problem? Just a dusting of snow!'   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 14, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
I can relate. Have to admit it's a lot nicer knowing I don't HAVE to get out in it now as in going to work.

B
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 14, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
I can relate. Have to admit it's a lot nicer knowing I don't HAVE to get out in it now as in going to work.

B
eewe - he said the 'W' word!   :paranoia:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 14, 2018, 05:33:10 PM
Yes but in past tense  :D

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 16, 2018, 10:12:33 PM
The rest of the countertop is in now. 18 feet of it on the far side and so far only a few things to occupy it...two belt Sanders and the bench grinder. Leaving room for a possible heat treat furnace in the future.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on December 16, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
Hello Bill,

Your shop looks bigger with every new photo. Sure hope that all the bad weather is not delaying your house.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on December 16, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
That looks great Bill!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 16, 2018, 10:25:38 PM
Fantastic space!  You are going to have us all trying to move in....
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 16, 2018, 10:26:33 PM
Thanks Thomas and Dave. Funny, due to nasty weather and other things I hadn't been out there Friday or yesterday. When I drove up today the wall board was completely up in the house. Not finished of course but hung at least.  :o.  Surprised the heck out of me.  Hoping the brick Mason's will start in again tomorrow.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 16, 2018, 10:30:07 PM
Come on down Chris. Room for a few shop gnomes as well.  Still trying to get the molding machine moved out  :wallbang:. He has promised to get it out before Jan 1. Then I can work on the middle area. The tractor is still there too, but guess I can't complain about that.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on December 17, 2018, 01:31:19 AM
Damn Bill you wonít know how to act will all that space. You trying to out do me buddy? Oh by the way I hope your going to paint those walls a lite color that will work for good lighting.  :lolb: justsaying!


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on December 17, 2018, 02:11:56 AM
Love seeing the progress, Bill!  And I'll bet you do too :)

Do you Have forced air heat in your shop?  Looks like a heat register up on the ceiling in that picture of your new counter top.

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 17, 2018, 12:52:42 PM
Kim, that was step two in the renovation. Step one was the new circuit breaker panel and wiring for HVAC.  Step two was having the heat pump put in and so far it has done very well, both cooling at the end of the summer, and now heating. It is soooo nice just walking in to a near constant 67 degrees.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on December 17, 2018, 01:10:32 PM
Looking good Prof. (Ret.)

https://www.paragonweb.com/Design_A_Kiln.cfm

Rev




Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on December 20, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
One more handy dandy item to have on that counter is a decent size ultrasonic cleaner. I bought a couple for clock work and use them now to clean up pretty much everything.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 22, 2018, 01:14:20 AM
That's on the list too Cletus. Most of what I am seeing though is Chinese with mixed reviews as to reliability. Want something around 1/2 gallon capacity.  Otto Free has some Korean ones with better warranty and German engineered analog controls, but pricey for their size.

Anyway, the scroll saw had now found it's place and if all goes well the big injection molding press will be gone tomorrow.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on December 22, 2018, 01:24:03 AM
Maybe it would be fun to see a shot of the elephant in the middle of the room before it goes to it's new home.  :lolb:

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 22, 2018, 01:47:29 AM
I will try and take a before and after shot tomorrow Dave. It will sure open up a lot more space once gone.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 22, 2018, 01:54:13 PM
Dave, here is the before picture. The press is right in the middle of the room. Fortunately, the 3 phase power cut off box will remain, good for 40 amps. Who know what might get added there eventually  :thinking:

Bill

P.S. Still waiting on the rigger to show up...30 minutes late now  :shrug:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on December 22, 2018, 02:13:52 PM
Hello Bill,

Wow, sure looking good and nearing completion (of sorts, we never finish) and know you will be glad to get settled in.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on December 22, 2018, 04:21:33 PM
That looks like a pretty nice machine Bill

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steve17 on December 22, 2018, 04:24:44 PM
I am totally in ore off all that space.
Steve.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on December 22, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
Wow, Bill! With all that space, you're going to have to pickup some new equipment, don't you think?  :ROFL:
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 22, 2018, 07:28:03 PM
Thomas, thank for looking in.

Dave, it's a small press, but still in good working order. I am happy it will get used again.

Steve, if you could see my small corner of the garage where the sherlines are now you would know I am looking forward to the additional space as well.

Kim, hmmmmmm got any suggestions?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 22, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Now for the good/bad news... The guy who owns the injection press and his electrician arrived, but the rigger for some reason didn't have access to his boom truck  :shrug:, so a no show there. But the good news is that the press is skidded on one end with a roller dolly under the other end so is movable now. The new plan is to use a roll back instead bnext week after Christmas, which is a much better plan. At least it's moved enough so I could clean out from under it, control panel removed, etc (see photo below). The tractor is taking up some of the space now but once the house is finished it will be relocated to the garage there. So anyway, another few days and the injection press will be gone. That short workbench you see in the picture will also be going since that is where the cabinet with the sherlines will go. Just have to sort through the clutter residing on it 😊.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 22, 2018, 09:10:05 PM
That's going to be a roomy shop!!!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 22, 2018, 09:14:29 PM
For General lighting, How do you like the florescent fixtures Bill?     I have plenty of task lights but no where near enough general lighting in my shop and I want to fix that.

Dave
 
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 22, 2018, 09:36:21 PM
Dave, they have served well but need some attention in a few cases, like new ballasts. There are six of them in the main area and provide good overall lighting, even with the unpainted walls. I could use a bit more over the lathe and mill though. I have a 8' LED fixture I want to try, and that should provide more light. If so I will change them over one at a time. The pull down LED task light I have in the foredom area will not be as needed with the lighted work chamber, so I am going to move it between the Cowells and unimat3 so it can be swing over whichever one I am using. It provides a lot of light. I am really thinking LED's are the way to go but will have to see for sure before investing in that.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 22, 2018, 10:58:12 PM
I have changed at least half of my flourescent tubes in my wood shop and basement over to the LED tubes, and love them - no flicker, brighter, better color temperature, more even light. I got the ones that will work either on the old ballast, or you can bypass the ballast (the bulbs came with a diagram of how to hook up around the ballast but use the same fixture) - must be some clever detecting inside the bulbs.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on December 22, 2018, 11:09:12 PM
I replaced all my tubes with direct wire LEDs a couple years ago. I have been very happy with them them for all the same reasons Chris has indicated above.

Bill that is a nice sized shop, it would be great to have that kind of space.

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 22, 2018, 11:21:03 PM
LED it is then!!!    It'll let me put 4 fixtures in without changing the service as well.....OK...thanks!!!!!

Dave

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 23, 2018, 12:16:41 AM
Chris, I will check that out. All of the fixtures are affixed to the ceiling with standoffs and rigid conduit between them. I would love to be able to keep the same fixtures. I think I can do the rewiring around the ballast if not too complicated.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 23, 2018, 12:23:24 AM
There are a number of manufacturers, I bought mine from Superbrightleds.com. it was a couple of years ago, sure to be more choices now.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 12:30:14 AM
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-linear-lighting/40w-linkable-led-shop-lightgarage-light-w-pull-chain-4250-lumens-4ft-4000k/5091/11611/

What would you guys think of 5 of those in a 1 bay garage ceiling?

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 12:46:57 AM
Just bought these.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MQPCT6Z/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=cigarobsecom-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01MQPCT6Z&linkId=7d427ecfecde9c110b031674f253fde4


Based on this review
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Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 23, 2018, 12:47:26 AM
Finding 96" single pin tubes seems a bit more problematic  :zap:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 12:51:33 AM
LED's seem the way to go...and 50000 hours of life, should out live me!...

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on December 23, 2018, 12:51:56 AM
I'm on the side where you can't have too much lighting. It's easier to turn them off than to add them.
It's the one thing (well...amongst other things) that I'm disappointed with in my shop.
I had wanted twice the amount of LED tubes in the ceiling but got talked out of it.
T thinks it looks garish (or glaring) but I find the shop too dim.
Task lighting has helped but good overall lighting is much  more inviting.

As one gets older, it gets harder for the ol' irises to contract enough to see sharp. It requires lots of light.

On a different note...if you want to impress the ladies when they visit...keep the seat down.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 12:55:33 AM
I'm on the side where you can't have too much lighting. It's easier to turn them off than to add them.
It's the one thing (well...amongst other things) that I'm disappointed with in my shop.
I had wanted twice the amount of LED tubes in the ceiling but got talked out of it.
T thinks it looks garish (or glaring) but I find the shop too dim.
Task lighting has helped but good overall lighting is much  more inviting.

As one gets older, it gets harder for the ol' irises to contract enough to see sharp. It requires lots of light.

On a different note...if you want to impress the ladies when they visit...keep the seat down.  ;D

LMAO!

My wife avoids "no womans land" at all costs....she just talks to me through the open door...  LMAO!
 :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 12:59:35 AM
I have some new hi intensity machine lights for all the machines.   Gets around the office pendant light I currently have.

I know life is better with MORE......but not tonight.

Tonight, Ive got some sipping to do.     Cognac distilled locally.....looking forward to that

Keep the pictures coming Bill!     

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 01:00:10 AM
Bill    White paint goes a LONG way to brighten it up!....

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on December 23, 2018, 01:01:43 AM
I'm on the side where you can't have too much lighting. It's easier to turn them off than to add them.
It's the one thing (well...amongst other things) that I'm disappointed with in my shop.
I had wanted twice the amount of LED tubes in the ceiling but got talked out of it.
T thinks it looks garish (or glaring) but I find the shop too dim.
Task lighting has helped but good overall lighting is much  more inviting.

As one gets older, it gets harder for the ol' irises to contract enough to see sharp. It requires lots of light.

On a different note...if you want to impress the ladies when they visit...keep the seat down.  ;D

LMAO!

My wife avoids "no womans land" at all costs....she just talks to me through the open door...  LMAO!
 :lolb:

It's funny you mention that. A few weeks ago, T started to walk in to the shop when there was swarf everywhere and I yelled at her to stop. She understood why. But ever since then, she barely pokes her head in to talk to me.

She's not the only one. Grand-daughter also won't step foot past the threshold (but she might have heard me 'let go' when I thought no one was around).
Yes...I know the dangers if there's open flame nearby.

P.S. The 'letting go' wasn't necessarily on purpose or demand...it's just me getting older.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on December 23, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
Bill    White paint goes a LONG way to brighten it up!....

 :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 23, 2018, 01:04:25 AM
Yeah I know Dave. Still thinking on it. May have found the replacement tubes from an outfit called Hyperion. Pricey but cheaper than new fixtures. And like you say they should outlive me.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on December 23, 2018, 01:53:01 AM
I'll continue to promote white paint all round, Bill. I absolutely guarantee you'll kick yourself for not doing it a long time ago...

 :stickpoke:

 :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 23, 2018, 02:00:16 AM
I've got a piece of OSB about 4ft. square I may try it on to see how it looks Pete.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 23, 2018, 02:18:39 AM
I agree with Pete, my basement got lots brighter when I replaced the insulation the builder stuck to the cinder block with some white faced insulation, huge difference in the light.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on December 23, 2018, 03:56:59 AM
Hello Bill,

OK I have an idea to pass by you. Have a painting party, you have Zee, Steamer, 10KPete and Chris, there are the four walls. You could be the supervisor and make sure they have plenty of paint and cleaning up their messes.

Just a thought.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 23, 2018, 04:00:33 AM
As long as im painting, make sure theres appropriate libation!....
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 23, 2018, 01:38:16 PM
The painting will go well till the paintball guns come out...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 26, 2018, 10:01:18 PM
Ok Elvis has left the building...well the molding press has at least, the roll back was the trick and all went well (photo 1). That leaves a lot more space now, with a little more cleanup to do.....but I am a happy camper (photos 2-4)  :cartwheel:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on December 26, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
Looks like it is time to go shopping!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 26, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Still have the sherlines to move out there and a few other things Dave, but nothing too large. That free standing workbench will be replaced by the sherlines on their cabinet. Son in law wants the old workbench and leg set which is good.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 26, 2018, 10:17:42 PM
Wow, you will have the room for some bigger projects... 1/4 scale Lombard maybe...   ::)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 26, 2018, 10:42:37 PM
Or a Climax or Heisler Chris. The property is big enough for some track too😊. We will see. Thinking more along the lines or a surface grinder or smallish CNC like Tormach or similar.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on December 26, 2018, 11:13:00 PM
Hello Bill,

Wow, what a really nice shop to spend many happy days making all kinds of neat projects. Love all that counter space.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on December 27, 2018, 01:41:00 AM
Ok Bill, that is one nice shop but buddy you best put a good security system in there or it will all disappear one day.....just saying!


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on December 27, 2018, 03:49:48 AM
From experience I can say that the best security system is an alert, loud, dog!!!

That's a huge space, Bill!

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 27, 2018, 05:26:37 AM
We've got dogs, but there is a security system too from the old days. It will be upgraded soon to a new wireless security system or at least more modern technology. Good point though and I appreciate the concerns over security


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on December 27, 2018, 08:24:18 AM
That space is just crying out for some more machines Bill  :naughty:

Security is an odd one over here: Some places used to suffer regularly with household robberies but in my village we have only had one in twenty years and that was a youngster stealing another's off road scrappy scrambler bike  :ShakeHead: and the Coppers knew exactly who did it before they turned up.

Most of the time what is stolen is smart phones or wallet/purses (or possibly Xmas Casting presents  :thinking: ). I saw a great way for us ladies to protect their purse the other day - the police were handing out little tinker bells to attach to your purse so that if anyone tried to steal it it made a noise  :ThumbsUp:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steve17 on December 27, 2018, 10:48:42 AM
Hi Jo,
You could always put your small valuables in a dog poo bag!!!!  :LittleDevil:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on December 27, 2018, 07:02:19 PM
Bill,
For equipment to fill all that extra space?  If it were me, I'd be thinking along the lines of a pan/box break, some rollers, maybe a blast cabinet and a heat treating oven.

And while I know its not used much for metal working, I find having a table saw quite helpful much of the time.  Plus, it acts as a nice horizontal surface when not in use cutting things.  I often do my painting on top of my table saw. (I cover it with cardboard before I paint!).  Oh, now that I've mentioned painting, maybe you can add a paint booth to the list?

Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on December 27, 2018, 07:52:04 PM
Looking good Professor (ret.) Hell, with all that room you could hold a square dance on Friday nights  :lolb:.. As far as security goes: a man canít beat a yapping dog and a 12ga. pump shotgun: double ought buck alternated with slugs , just saying  :old: :lolb:. Seriously, looks like you have plenty of room for more machines, but give thought to a nice big table to show visitors what you ďare getting on aboutĒ ( itís also kinda motivational) and a nice big assembly table . Reason I say that is, Iím trying to rearrange me old shid to display what Iím doing in it and also just have a big table to spread crap out on. Does that make sense? Tell everybody I said how they be doing.

Whiskey, A.K.A. Cletus, A.K.A Eric, A.K.A. Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 27, 2018, 07:55:01 PM
Looking good Professor (ret.) Hell, with all that room you could hold a square dance on Friday nights  :lolb: .. As far as security goes: a man canít beat a yapping dog and a 12ga. pump shotgun: double ought buck alternated with slugs , just saying  :old: :lolb: . Seriously, looks like you have plenty of room for more machines, but give thought to a nice big table to show visitors what you ďare getting on aboutĒ ( itís also kinda motivational) and a nice big assembly table . Reason I say that is, Iím trying to rearrange me old shid to display what Iím doing in it and also just have a big table to spread crap out on. Does that make sense? Tell everybody I said how they be doing.

Whiskey, A.K.A. Cletus, A.K.A Eric, A.K.A. Rev
Skip the buck shot, use rock salt and steel swarf, the nice curly sharp kind!  The cops can track them by the 'Ow Ow Ow Ow' down the street....   :LittleDevil:
Bill, awesome shop, very envious bunch of shop elves here (me included!)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on December 27, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
Chris, my ďbuckshotĒ is eighteen .330Ē er, um, lead balls  8) and to be honest, it hurts so bad to shoot,  that I hope I only have to do it for qualification purposes. But then again, I guess it has a lot to do with which way I have the selective fire thingee flipped  :facepalm:.

Otis Redding
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 27, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
There is a cheap table saw in there, just doesn't show in the pics. Used it recently to cut window molding. Not used a lot though. For model work, eventually will get a http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html

Had one at work and ideal for model work and dollhouse furniture for the granddaughter.

Have made provisions for a heat treat oven at some point.

For now I have some shelves for model display, but already need more space for that.

For assembly, a Jewelers bench is being considered, again in the future.

A small bench top blast cabinet would be nice, but most are typically import quality. Still looking.

A paint booth or powder coating area is a good idea and am thinking on that.

Most of this will be on existing counter space though leaving lots of space yet  ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on December 27, 2018, 11:55:54 PM
That's a pretty good list there, Bill.  And as Eric mentioned, there's always the square dance if you can't figure out what else to use the space for!  :ROFL:
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on December 28, 2018, 12:28:47 AM
Leave space for the shop elves to build their roller coaster!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 29, 2018, 11:10:51 PM
The holidays have my days mixed up...probably a function of retirement too (everyday a Saturday). Anyway I think it was yesterday the new hanger post and base arrived so I went out to the shop for a bit.  The first photo is the Cowells and unimat as they sit on the workbench. The second photo shows the new post and base but not as I had planned. The swing down LED lamps is long enough to cover both machines since the Cowells will be used far more than the unimat. As photo three shows, this new arrangement leaves me the option to swing the lamp back over the foredom area should that be needed. Finally, with the swing down lamp on and over the Cowells, the DROs are quite readable. I was sitting as I will be when using it to take that picture. Now on to upgrading the florescent tubes to LEDs by bypassing the ballasts. More on that later.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 30, 2018, 12:47:37 AM
Looking good Bill.   Where are you going to put accessories for the lathes?    In drawers below?  Or shelves above?

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 30, 2018, 04:18:37 AM
Shelves or more likely cabinets above Dave.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on December 30, 2018, 06:14:53 AM
Amazing! A Shop being planned and organized in advance! Such a thing is unheard of! Shops are supposed to just evolve out of a crowded little space and "that's all 'ya get bub"!

I'm envious, Bill. Really. This is a great space!

 :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 90LX_Notch on December 30, 2018, 05:56:30 PM
I've following along in the background Bill and I have to say that your shop is really shaping up nicely.

I have to second what Pete said.  My shop is an eclectic evolution of crowded space.

-Bob
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on December 30, 2018, 06:32:05 PM
Thanks Bob. Up till now I have been limited to a small corner of the garage with access only to the Sherlines. While better than nothing, I must say it feels like a whole new world has opened up, especially now that the molding machine is gone.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on December 31, 2018, 01:20:09 AM
I like watching how people organize.   Lots of cool ideas....I try to pirate as many ideas as I can!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 01, 2019, 02:22:09 PM
This video is a little lengthy,but, this guy has some great organizational skills and an awesome shop.


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Cletus

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: mikehinz on January 02, 2019, 03:43:42 PM
Bill, I'd missed this thread until now.  That's a very nice shop that you've go there!  It's a very nice size for what you intend to do, at least IMO.

I do have a quick question.  You mentioned earlier that the space is about 900SF and that you'd installed a heat pump based HVAC.  What capacity did you install?  Just curious as I think I'm about to install HVAC in my shop space also.  The cold is about to kill me and it keeps me out of the shop entirely too much!

Thanks!

Mike
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on January 02, 2019, 07:25:57 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 02, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
Mike, I looked back at the quote I had and it is a 2 ton split heat pump system. Hope that helps.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: mikehinz on January 02, 2019, 09:53:25 PM
Mike, I looked back at the quote I had and it is a 2 ton split heat pump system. Hope that helps.


Bill

Bill, that info is exactly what I was looking for!  I've got about the same area to heat and cool and everything I've calculated has indicated 2 tons / 24k BTU for a heatpump in our climate (central KS).  So I believe that's the size I'll go for also.

Again, thanks!

Mike.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 02, 2019, 10:38:39 PM
Mike, it seemed a bit large to me at first since I have 1 ton and 1.5 ton unites at home (2 stories) but those are for A/C only. I think sizing must be somewhat different with heat pumps, perhaps more based on winter conditions. What I know is that even on colder days so far this winter (say around 32 degrees F), it keeps the space at the set temp and still runs only intermittently. The same was true for the cooling side back at the end of the summer meaning it didn't have to run all the time to keep up. I am very happy with the performance so far.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 02, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
Bil, I think you will be fine with a heat pump in your location. Mike, I didnít research your mean temps, but, heat pumps are pretty much useless below 38-42 degrees F.  Mine run in either auxiliary heat or defrost mode almost continuous in my shed at these temps  (middle Tennessee)

Cletus


 
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 02, 2019, 11:16:26 PM
Eric, I would disagree somewhat, as they can be fairly efficient even down to 32 degrees. Of course a lot depends on insulation of the shed too. Mine is very well insulated and I know that helps. Keep in mind to that units are much larger these days for any given tonnage. I had both AC units here at the house replaced about 3 years apart with the 1 ton being the latest an in that short time the outside unit for the 1 ton is significantly larger than the 1.5 ton unit I had already replaced. The increased coil size helps the efficiency as well. Just my 2 cents but I relied on the HVAC company to size the shop and they seem to have nailed it.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 03, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
 Let me clarify myself Prof (ret.) At the 36-42 range, they are awesome. However, from my experience, once you get into those lower thirties and below , they are either defrosting (brings on auxiliary heat) or the auxiliary heat is running to maintain set temps. I have two five ton units in approximately 4000 square feet, and Iíll admit, it isnít insulated as well as it could be, and the ceiling is very high also. I stay warm, but it ainít cheap. The defrost cycle also annoys me. When they go into defrost, the auxiliary heat bank has to come on to keep from blowing cold air back into the area, which basically puts you back on conventional electric heat. I guess itís just one of those things that I need to accept, thinking about it; Iíve got six heat pumps running between the house and work  :facepalm2:. Hope yíall gets whatís Iím a trying to be saying  8). Tell everybody I said hey

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 03, 2019, 08:32:54 PM
Those high ceilings are a killer Eric. Thankfully I don't have that to contend with.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on January 04, 2019, 03:11:03 AM
Man, I'm not sure what you are talkin about. I've got a 900w baseboard heater in my 20X8 shop set at medium and my coolant hasn't froze yet. Stays around 55 til I fire up one of the machines, or I decide I want to hang out in the shop. Maybe the ton to watt scale makes my shop one of those miniature engine shops. :lolb: :lolb: :ROFL:
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 06, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Starting to get organized a bit now. Found some unfinished cabinets at Lowe's which will help the mini-lathe area (photo1). The right hand side will be for scroll saw and buffer stuff (photo 2), and the left hand side will be used for Cowells and Unimat accessories, mics, and such.

These don't have a shelf but should be easy enough to put some risers in and a second shelf to double the shelf space if needed. Everything is accessible while seated at the machines too. I will finish the fronts with an oil finish or something .

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 06, 2019, 08:57:01 PM
As for the change gears for the Cowells which won't be used often, I unearthed the old tool dip pot and gave then a dip. This will seal in an oil film and keep them from rusting in storage.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on January 06, 2019, 11:46:18 PM
That should make some nice storage for you Bill!  Especially with some shelves.  You'll have this space whipped into shape in no time!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 06, 2019, 11:48:46 PM
Getting there Kim. And cleaning out the garage in the process. Still have the sherlines to move though and the workbench they are on.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 07, 2019, 04:37:20 AM
Looking good Bill but buddy I hope you plumb some air lines along that bench. Just saying!



 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 07, 2019, 03:56:37 PM
Don, I have an airline next to the lighted work chamber. There is also a plumber drop next to the big mill which can be used for both the mill and lathe.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 08, 2019, 07:47:13 PM
The new LED tubes arrived today so I have been working on reworking the wiring in the fixtures bypassing, and removing the ballasts. The rewiring is really simple (if I can do it), and the results didn't disappoint, even though the pictures don't do it justice. I only got four tubes to try, two in the storage closet which has been lightless for a while (photo 1). Then one of the six two tube 8' fixtures in the main shop (photo2). That now leaves five more fixtures to go or ten more tubes.

You can probably tell the new ones are a cooler white than the old flourescents and without any doubt much brighter as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on January 08, 2019, 07:50:36 PM
Hello Bill,

I can really see the difference with the bright green and yellow on the tractor, and even over on the new wall cabinets. You will be most pleased with that upgrade.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 08, 2019, 08:35:10 PM
Thanks Thomas. It should get even better. The two fixtures over the wall cabinets haven't been converted yet. I will try to take a similar picture once they are though.

Meanwhile, I got a shelf added to one of the cabinets.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 08, 2019, 08:59:54 PM
Damn Bill them walls need some white paint to brighten things up bud. Just saying!


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 08, 2019, 09:45:06 PM
Will wait until all the lIghts are changed out and see what the illumination level is then. Then we will see about paint :stickpoke:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on January 08, 2019, 09:48:34 PM
I still think white walls will make a big difference even then!  But the decision is up to you.  Painting is a hassle for sure.
The new lights look great!  The new lights I've added recently added are LED fixtures.  I haven't retrofitted any of the older tubes yet.  But sounds like the switch over isn't that hard, which is good!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 08, 2019, 09:57:58 PM
Will wait until all the lIghts are changed out and see what the illumination level is then. Then we will see about paint :stickpoke:

Bill

Maybe some under cabinet lights as well...though I can't talk...Mine aren't up yet...need mo bettah ladder!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 08, 2019, 10:51:49 PM
If needed Dave. That swing down LED light over the Cowells and Unimat may take care of that. I had purchased an 8' new LED fixture as a possibility before finding just the replacement tubes which are a cheaper alternative. Since I have it I may add it to the ceiling to the left of the mill. That remains the only place that could use a bit more light.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 10, 2019, 10:52:25 PM
Two more two tube fixtures changed out to LED tubes today. What a difference and the rewiring is a breeze. Three more fixtures to go. All the ones in these pictures have been changed.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 10, 2019, 10:54:54 PM
Brighter than my shop!   :ThumbsUp:

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 10, 2019, 10:59:54 PM
Your upgrade must be helping too though Dave. I am looking forward to getting rid of that flourescents hum too as soon as I can get these others changed .

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 10, 2019, 11:19:57 PM
Your upgrade must be helping too though Dave. I am looking forward to getting rid of that flourescents hum too as soon as I can get these others changed .

Bill

The task lights are awesome!   but I know the ambient lights need to be put up and I really can't wait....damn 12 foot ceilings!   

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 11, 2019, 12:13:09 AM
Oh yeah, bummer and watch the leg when you do. Maybe the kids can help. It will make a huge difference.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steamer5 on January 11, 2019, 09:04:31 PM
Dave,
I feel your pain on high ceilings! Our kitchen / family room is 4.3 meters, with 9 x 2 bulb halogen lights! We had a lighting guy do the design work for us & the issue becomes getting the light down to the working level, 50 watt, 30 degree bulbs did the trick. The first year or so was ok then bulbs needed replacing, I had to go & hire a ladder tall enuff to get up to do it so used to wait until 7 or 8 bulbs had gone! Then a week latter another would go  :Mad:
A couple of years back I replaced them all with LEDís, I used the COB type. That was nearly 3 years ago & ive only had to look at 1 & that was a loose wire.

Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 12, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
The last of the new bulbs should arrive tomorrow and if this incoming storm doesn't ice things up I hope to have the LED light conversion finished up tomorrow and not have to worry about lighting for the next 20+ years  :cartwheel:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on January 14, 2019, 07:08:51 PM
Man, looks good.  But ya shoulda painted before all the crap got put in the way -- maybe just send all the crap to me to hold onto while you paint? :)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 15, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
Ok, last of the lighting pics, that project is now done. Though I haven't done any measurements, it seems to be about twice as bright as it was before and no more annoying hum of the flourescents either. I am really happy this this option. Painting still being considered but really don't think it will be necessary or I will have to get some shaded safety glasses!

Now to unclutter the place  :headscratch:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on January 15, 2019, 02:59:45 PM
Bill you haven't had our Graham storing your rotary table for you have you   ::) How are you planning to move that monster around?

Maybe its all that extra lighting making it look worse than it really is  ;)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 15, 2019, 03:13:00 PM
Damn Bill, that shop is getting decked out but buddy you donít have to paint it bright white and off color would help with dark shadow areas and enhance the look of the shop. Just saying!


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 15, 2019, 03:19:42 PM
Saw that did you?  Its not as bad as it looks, just a bit of surface on the table itself which will clean up easily. It is a rather heavy beast though!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on January 15, 2019, 03:55:57 PM
 ;)

I recommend one of the 135Kg Motorcycle hydraulic scissor lifts to move it round :ThumbsUp: One with wheels.... but they don't seem to do those like they used to  :-\

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 15, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
There is also a super spacer lurking about that needs a bit more TLC than the RT, but equally heavy, and a lift would definitely be a plus for both. I had bought one over at the university a while back and will see what I can find.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on January 15, 2019, 05:40:47 PM
 Much better! But at least paint the ceiling white..

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on January 15, 2019, 05:45:44 PM
Looking really good Bill!

And I notice the dog bed centrally located for your canine companion! That's important  :ThumbsUp:

Kim

PS For what its worth, I'm in the 'paint it white' camp :)

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 15, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
Iím gonna go off the other end here: Iíd stain everything to match a set of Kerstner chests and buy more lights and the chests  :lolb:

Rev
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on January 15, 2019, 07:23:31 PM
Iím gonna go off the other end here: Iíd stain everything to match a set of Kerstner chests and buy more lights and the chests  :lolb:

Rev
My Gerstner chests really stand out against the lighter wall in the room they are in...    :stickpoke:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 15, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
Yeah Chris, but you are from north of the Mason Dixon  :lolb:.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on January 15, 2019, 07:59:21 PM
Yeah Chris, but you are from north of the Mason Dixon  :lolb: .

Cletus
True, just another silly Yankee!   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 15, 2019, 08:25:13 PM
Naw Chris, see us old boys down here like that old ďhunt camp, lodge type, shop on a dirt floor, with great grandpaís night stand for what holding tools, spit on the wood stove, kinda thing. Yíall hold onto stuff back into the 1700ís and paint it alls white and green and stuff. Really for years we couldnít afford much more than white wash  :old: 8)

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 15, 2019, 08:29:36 PM
I dont know Bill...im getting the impression people want you to paint it white or something
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 15, 2019, 08:32:46 PM
Ya think Dave?  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 15, 2019, 08:35:12 PM
Ya think Dave?  :lolb:

Bill

I dont know for sure Bill...you know how vague people can be on forum posts...hard to tell what they really want to say...  :thinking::thinking:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 15, 2019, 09:34:20 PM
Ya think Dave?  :lolb:

Bill

I dont know for sure Bill...you know how vague people can be on forum posts...hard to tell what they really want to say...  :thinking::thinking:
Naaaa Dave whatever gave you that idea....... :stickpoke:.... :lolb:

Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on January 16, 2019, 03:46:42 PM
;)

I recommend one of the 135Kg Motorcycle hydraulic scissor lifts to move it round :ThumbsUp: One with wheels.... but they don't seem to do those like they used to  :-\

Jo

Doesn't need one Jo. He can just move it around with that John Deere front loader!  ;)  :lolb:

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 16, 2019, 07:27:36 PM
Nice idea Jim, but afraid I might be like a bull in a china shop with the JD in the shop. I best drive it about out in the yard I think and eventually it will be parked in the new house's garage between uses.


Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 22, 2019, 01:17:46 AM
Before they started getting to dirty, I put a medium walnut Danish oil stain/sealant on the cabinets, just to give them a more finished look. A before picture from a prior post and an after picture are shown below. I also plumbed the compressed air line connection in the corner of that workbench with a regulator and two outlets after the regulator...one for a quick connect air hose and the other (with the ball valve) dedicated for use with the lighted work chamber. That's about it for the last couple of days, been busy with house decisions otherwise.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 22, 2019, 02:28:44 AM
2 suggestions....If I might....


1    get a nice hi volume dust extractor, or at LEAST a shop vac on that buffing station....keep the abrasive dust away from those sweet innocent lathes....  8)

2.   Put a plexiglass wall divider up on the bench right there, to prevent dust migration even more.     It'll give you a place to hang the cloth wheels....

JMHO....

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 22, 2019, 02:44:52 AM
Dave, somewhere pages ago when I added the hoods to the buffer, I connected the elbows from each with a common piece of PVC pipe with a hole in it to connect to the shop vac. That should keep dust and such away from the "innocent" lathes. The Plexi divider I hadn't thought about, don't need the storage with the cabinets, but using it as a divider could still help. Both the work chamber on the far end and the scroll saw also can be hooked up to the shop vac.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steamer5 on January 22, 2019, 04:42:12 AM
Coming along there Bill.

Since we are all suggesting white walls & ceiling.....& you donít seem to be taking the hint......if you can ďborrowĒ some white sheets, well ok that might be pushing it just a bit, get your self a roll of white paper & put it on the walls just to see what we are all going on about........ just a thought.......


Cheers Kerrin
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on January 22, 2019, 05:39:06 AM
Hard wiring the compressed air is a great move.  :ThumbsUp:
I've thought about that, but that's all I've done. I still drag a hose around the shop wherever I go.
Where do you hide your compressor?
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 22, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
Kim,

The compressor is in the closet as shown on the attached PDF file. Currently in addition to the plumbed outlets shown yesterday, there is a plumbed outlet overhead just to the left of the mill as well. I may look at extending this over the area where the Sherlines will reside also as another drop connection from overhead.

For a test bench for engines, I will likely still use the little California Air Compressor as a separate supply for that purpose.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on January 22, 2019, 05:54:52 PM
Ya think Dave?  :lolb:

Bill

I dont know for sure Bill...you know how vague people can be on forum posts...hard to tell what they really want to say...  :thinking::thinking:

To be a little more vague...PAINT IT!

In fact, paint one wall a different color (accent wall). Makes the room look larger...not that it needs to.

P.S. Paint it now. You'll be hanging even more stuff off the walls and that'll make it more difficult.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on January 22, 2019, 09:15:32 PM
The compressor is in the closet as shown on the attached PDF file. Currently in addition to the plumbed outlets shown yesterday, there is a plumbed outlet overhead just to the left of the mill as well. I may look at extending this over the area where the Sherlines will reside also as another drop connection from overhead.

For a test bench for engines, I will likely still use the little California Air Compressor as a separate supply for that purpose.

That's a great place for it!  I have a feeling you've told us that before, I just didn't remember!)

Looking at your floor plan, the only issue I see is that the fridge is so far from the other bench - you may need to add a second fridge to your shop.  That way you don't have so far to go to get refreshments!  :Lol:

Looking good Bill!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 22, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
Ya think Dave?  :lolb:

Bill

I dont know for sure Bill...you know how vague people can be on forum posts...hard to tell what they really want to say...  :thinking::thinking:

To be a little more vague...PAINT IT!

In fact, paint one wall a different color (accent wall). Makes the room look larger...not that it needs to.

P.S. Paint it now. You'll be hanging even more stuff off the walls and that'll make it more difficult.
Awwww Zee I was thinking the same thing. Bill those walls look good buddy and all that nice equipment
you keep adding is a treat but a good coat of paint.......just saying mine you.... :stickpoke:

 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 22, 2019, 10:45:31 PM
I leaning with Cletus. The lodge type look. Warm and inviting. Guys there is plenty of light now,  more than there ever was in my mold making days. The paint point is taken and if ever needed can still be done. Once painted though it can't be undone. For now I am happy the way it is.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on January 22, 2019, 11:13:24 PM
Bill, satisfy both camps - paint it in faux woodgrain!   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 22, 2019, 11:28:38 PM
I leaning with Cletus. The lodge type look. Warm and inviting. Guys there is plenty of light now,  more than there ever was in my mold making days. The paint point is taken and if ever needed can still be done. Once painted though it can't be undone. For now I am happy the way it is.

Bill

Hey Don and Cletus.....I think he's tired of hearing about the white paint.....Not sure you know how the written post can be vage.... :stickpoke:   8)


.....you know we love ya buddy.....

 8) :cheers:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 22, 2019, 11:43:27 PM
I leaning with Cletus. The lodge type look. Warm and inviting. Guys there is plenty of light now,  more than there ever was in my mold making days. The paint point is taken and if ever needed can still be done. Once painted though it can't be undone. For now I am happy the way it is.

Bill

Hey Don and Cletus.....I think he's tired of hearing about the white paint.....Not sure you know how the written post can be vage.... :stickpoke:   8)


.....you know we love ya buddy.....

 8) :cheers:
Yeah, yeah we get it......l :lolb:   But you know a good coat of paint....... :lolb: Hey Bill we hear you buddy and you know itís your shop and it has to make you happy! Just saying........  :shrug:

 :cheers:
Don

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on January 22, 2019, 11:57:18 PM
I have never had the opportunity to 'design' the appearance of a shop. Who'd a thunk of it? :ShakeHead:

But a 'lodge' atmosphere is what I would go for as opposed to the 'industrial' look...

 :lolb:

Pete



Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 23, 2019, 12:27:56 AM
Thanks for the moral support Pete  :cheers: Oh, and Cletus is on my side  ;D

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 23, 2019, 12:33:41 AM
Here's a cookie for you paint guys...I will be painting the trim around the doors and windows a lighter earth tone, and will have white mini blinds over the windows  ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on January 23, 2019, 12:44:11 AM
Thanks for the moral support Pete  :cheers: Oh, and Cletus is on my side  ;D

You say that as if it's a good thing.  :lolb:

Just a little  :stickpoke:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 23, 2019, 12:47:52 AM
Something about "birds of a feather...." Zee.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on January 23, 2019, 04:15:36 PM
Put me in the "lodge look" camp Bill.  :ThumbsUp: My shop room is white and I've thought about painting it a darker color.

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on January 24, 2019, 06:42:43 PM
"Put me in the "lodge look" camp Bill.  :ThumbsUp: My shop room is white and I've thought about painting it a darker color."

Or just buy more dark colored machines and tools to put up against the walls? :)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 24, 2019, 07:56:07 PM
Or a dark bathroom vanity....oops, those walls aren't any color yet  ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on January 24, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
Doesn't the lodge look require log cabin or a 6" pine wall sort of thing? :mischief:
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 24, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
Or a dark bathroom vanity....oops, those walls aren't any color yet  ;)

Bill

Don't worry Bill old buddy....we'll find something to micromanage...... :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 24, 2019, 10:26:32 PM
Doesn't the lodge look require log cabin or a 6" pine wall sort of thing? :mischief:
Art


No NO NO!!!!   Not 6"!    5.75"!   
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on January 24, 2019, 10:31:40 PM
Time to create a poll my friend. To paint or not to paint.

But that's the easier question. I struggle more with color. I believe I have some slight color blindness...especially when it comes to the darker shades of blue, gray, or green, but even lighter shades of off-white, egg, etc.

My wife's incredulous look when I say I'm wearing my gray socks is priceless.

BTW 'taupe' is a many shaded something or other.

I hate 'taupe'. I don't know what it is. I thought I did.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on January 24, 2019, 10:54:48 PM
This is starting to sound like the color charts at a paint store, have you seen the names of some of those thousands of shades?
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 24, 2019, 11:13:10 PM
This is starting to sound like the color charts at a paint store, have you seen the names of some of those thousands of shades?
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 24, 2019, 11:15:18 PM
OMG yes. Been going through that for two weeks regarding the new house!!

Zee, the whole outside of the shop is some variant of taupe  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 24, 2019, 11:38:56 PM
We're only pickin on ya cause we love ya!     :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 25, 2019, 12:19:39 AM
I know Dave. I don't mind. Haha, wait till you guys see the valences I got for over the windows....very lodge like. :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on January 25, 2019, 01:28:56 AM
OMG yes. Been going through that for two weeks regarding the new house!!

Zee, the whole outside of the shop is some variant of taupe  :lolb:

Bill


Taupe, thats the sticky stuff that comes on a roll...   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 25, 2019, 03:57:17 AM
Ahhhhhh to paint or not to paint!.... :lolb:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: scc on January 25, 2019, 11:21:23 AM
A background colour used a lot is magnolia..a sort of cream...a good friend of mine (Chris Goan) is a poet and has this to say about it:-
1                                                                                      3
Life is too short for magnolia                                               What is the point of magnolia
Let's splash the old walls with new paint                               When rain is by rainbows replaced?
Mix me purples and blues                                                     It's the space left behind
Like a two day old bruise                                                      When colours go blind
And gold like the robes of a saint                                           It's life being leached from a face."

2
Where does it come from, magnolia?                                      and my shed's just dirty white....you takes your choice.. :stir:
Not from the wild places I've been                                  Apologies for digressing again.                  Terry           
brown eggs in a nest
Bright robin red breast
And oceans of deepest sea-green

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 25, 2019, 01:28:45 PM
I like that Terry, thanks for posting it!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on January 25, 2019, 03:27:31 PM
"Put me in the "lodge look" camp Bill.  :ThumbsUp: My shop room is white and I've thought about painting it a darker color."

Or just buy more dark colored machines and tools to put up against the walls? :)

I like the way you think!  :ThumbsUp:

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on January 25, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
A white sink in a machine shop...hmmm.  Maybe paint THAT a dark brown?  ::)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 25, 2019, 05:07:51 PM
Would have gotten off white or tan but not available😊 The laundry sink will be used for really dirty hands.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on January 25, 2019, 05:52:20 PM
Ah... adding dark pigment, adding to the lodge look? :mischief:
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 27, 2019, 10:48:04 PM
Ok, here's a bone for you paint guys. The inside of the entry door and it's trim ate painted now. The door color of called Tuscan Clay and the trim is Monteray Sand. The window trims will also be the Monteray Sand color. For Zee these are kind of a light and dark taupe, or "tape" for Chris  ;D

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 28, 2019, 05:06:35 PM
Oh geeez you see how good that looks Bill. Now you done it you just got to paint that shop bud!..... :lolb:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 28, 2019, 10:26:32 PM
Well Don, after painting just one window trim and a door jamb my painter was too tired to go on (see picture). Can't imagine how long it would take him to paint the whole place  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on January 28, 2019, 11:59:29 PM
Awww thatís to cute for words there Bill!...... :cheers:


Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 29, 2019, 12:37:13 AM
That is Scout by the way...technically a foster, but for some reason has latched onto me like a shadow, so will probably be around permanently. He goes out to the shop with me most days here lately.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on January 29, 2019, 02:00:37 AM
Bill,
Nothing wrong with that, the permanent shadow part. But what I want to see is a photo of that hound with a paint brush in his...I think he's to cute for a brush.
Art
Ps. did I mention that the door and frame aren't even the same shade of taupe. :mischief:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 29, 2019, 02:37:52 AM

Ps. did I mention that the door and frame aren't even the same shade of taupe. :mischief:

True, but he stayed within the lines really well  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on January 29, 2019, 02:40:14 AM

Ps. did I mention that the door and frame aren't even the same shade of taupe. :mischief:

True, but he stayed within the lines really well  :lolb:

Bill
So he used Masking Taupe at the edges?   :Lol:   or being a dog, he would prefer Duck Taupe!   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 29, 2019, 02:58:38 AM
Correct on the tape, but being part blue tick hound (we think), he prefers the 3M brand blue painters tape.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 29, 2019, 03:43:42 AM
Correct on the tape, but being part blue tick hound (we think), he prefers the 3M brand blue painters tape.

Bill

Ok then...so when's he painting the rest of it?    8)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 29, 2019, 01:03:40 PM
Probably not in my lifetime Dave  ;). It will be enough to get him to finish the remaining window, another door frame, and then two doors (on into the closet and the bathroom door), but I may have to get him some more paint.

On another note the bathroom is the last area to be done and I found/ordered the panels that will be used for the walls yesterday. They should arrive tomorrow via the Lowes truck so happily the restoration is nearing the end and I can get back to making some swarf!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 30, 2019, 07:21:29 PM
The panels came in today. 3/8" composite engineered panels suitable for structural use, meaning they can be directly attacked to the studs. The manufacturer recommends primimg and painting them so a suitable light color will be used though slightly darker than the window/door trim. They are deeply embossed to give a tongue and groove wood look and should do fine in the bathroom. (Photo 1). The challenge will be getting them into the bathroom and vertical to attach to the walls.

The curtain hardware also arrived today and I went for a more industrial look (photo2), though the valences still follow the lodge  theme😊 (photo 3)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 30, 2019, 08:24:33 PM
Well you know where I have stood on the painting issue, but, Iím beginning to think that a shade of green to compliment the one in the valance, would look good  8) ;) :lolb:

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 30, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
As promised, I slapped some paint on a scrap piece of OSB. Granted this is just one coat and the newer OSB panels are a bit coarser than the old original aged ones, but I just doesn't look good to me. I think I will use the green idea in the bathroom though since those panels need to be painted. Not green green, more in the olive green family, but something that will coordinate with the vanity, valance,and tile flooring. More on that once the paneling is up though.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 30, 2019, 09:41:45 PM
Yes    slapped is the right term..... :hellno:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 30, 2019, 10:22:47 PM
I should have let my 4 legged painter do it  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on January 31, 2019, 12:29:36 AM
I should have let my 4 legged painter do it  :lolb:

Bill
Watchas use?  his tail?   :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on January 31, 2019, 02:47:20 AM
Poor Scout, having to climb the ladder to paint the top of that window & door frame no wonder he's all tuckered out. :lolb:
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on January 31, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Uh, that's a bit darker shade of paint than I'd imagined...but then I'm no interior decorator as the missus will attest.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 31, 2019, 09:27:44 PM
That's not for the walls bent. It was just a sample on the OSB material. Actually that is the color of the window and door trim.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on January 31, 2019, 09:58:43 PM
Scout wanted to see if we would be able to even get those 4'x8' panels in through the bathroom door and then vertical once in the bathroom. It's tight and I temporarily moved the vanity out of the way, but doable without too much fuss. Got one panel up just to see how it's going to look. The little guy seemed fairly pleased with the results.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on January 31, 2019, 10:56:38 PM
I really like that wall covering. I was just yanking your chain on the painting. When I built my shop, I designated one room for painting. I wanted it brilliant white. The walls were OSB; Ďbout nine gallons of gloss oil base and I had my ďbrilliant white ď but it still looks like crap if you look at the walls. Letíer age gracefully  :old:  PS: accent at will  8)

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on January 31, 2019, 11:25:22 PM
A light colored painted wall makes it easier to find the things you throw against it.

Of course, Bill may not have that need...but I do. And it ain't ideas I'm throwing.  ;D
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 01, 2019, 12:16:09 AM
Zee, my penchant is dropping things on the floor where they are instantly scooped up and whisked away by the shop gremlims never to be seen again.

I hear you Cletus. The OSB painting ain't happening. The throne room is another matter  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on February 01, 2019, 04:32:26 AM
I know!

Wall Paper!

 :paranoia:

I'll get my hat....

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 01, 2019, 05:57:08 AM
I know!

Wall Paper!

 :paranoia:

I'll get my hat....

Pete
:lolb: :atcomputer:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on February 02, 2019, 03:50:23 PM
I know!

Wall Paper!

 :paranoia:

I'll get my hat....

Pete

I know Pete. If Bill would of just used normal drywall on the walls, I bet he could of found some nice wallpaper that looked just like unpainted OSB!  >:D

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 02, 2019, 04:07:48 PM
Drywall is fine as long as someone else is hanging it :)  Same for wallpaper!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 02, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
Drywall is fine as long as someone else is hanging it :)  Same for wallpaper!!

Bill
Spray the OSB with white bedliner!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 02, 2019, 07:21:52 PM
Now thatís an idea, ďhunter green bedliner sprayĒ It might cover up the chip pattern.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 02, 2019, 07:29:52 PM
You guys keep thinking...it still ain't happening  :LittleDevil:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 02, 2019, 08:12:48 PM
You guys keep thinking...it still ain't happening  :LittleDevil:

Bill


 :'(




 :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 04, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
Two bathroom walks now done. Going slow as there have been three sub contractors working on the house this week, but still making progress. Now imagine "gazebo green" for the color. A medium dark olive.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 04, 2019, 11:57:01 PM
Do it son  8). I would go for a green in the valances and I would go with shutters on the window, stained a dark natural color. My.02

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 05, 2019, 12:34:44 AM
Paint did somebody say paint...... :lolb:


 :DrinkPint:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 05, 2019, 12:39:35 AM
Paint did somebody say paint...... :lolb:


 :DrinkPint:
Don
I just had a Foghorn Leghorn cartoon flashback...   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 05, 2019, 12:43:24 AM
I say, I say, I said: Just paint it  :lolb: :lolb: green boy

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 05, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
I say, I say, I said: Just paint it  :lolb: :lolb: green boy

Cletus
For those cartoon-deprived kids....
T3YK95jW5p0
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 05, 2019, 01:00:11 AM
I say,I say, listen here boy, you donít need to post stuff like that on Billí thread I had to watch the whole thing; is any of this sinking in on ya boy? :lolb: :lolb: Sorry Bill

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 05, 2019, 01:33:24 AM
You heard me right guys. Paint!! But only in the bathroom. No shutters though Cletus. Mini blinds and valance just like the other two windows. Things gotta match you know.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on February 05, 2019, 04:07:03 AM
Paint!! But only in the bathroom.
Bill

And so it starts..... :lolb:

 :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 05, 2019, 01:24:35 PM
And ENDS  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on February 05, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
Another great episode of "This Old Workshop"! Well done!  :ThumbsUp:

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 05, 2019, 04:13:58 PM
I think we now need to start coming up with suggestions for a really unique rack what for holding the reading material  :stickpoke:

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 05, 2019, 05:29:54 PM
I think we now need to start coming up with suggestions for a really unique rack what for holding the reading material  :stickpoke:

Cletus
:lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 05, 2019, 05:47:34 PM
How about a blueprint hanger on the wall opposite the toilet?  Bet there aren't too many of those around. Kinda gives a new definition to multi-tasking eh?  :naughty:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 05, 2019, 09:13:09 PM
You mean something like gun rack style, what wit the reading material straddling a nice wooden dowel and hanging free of interference and wrinkle. I bet you remember seeing newspapers hung this way ( some of the older hotels still do it .)Iíll buy that for a dollar  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: I looked at a luxury motor coach the other day that had slide out keyboard in front of the throne and a 42Ē monitor facing it, what for answering those early morning emails. It also had a enclave just above the paperwork dispenser that held a purified water fed single cup coffee brewer  :facepalm: Now thatís RVing  :lolb: :lolb:.

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 05, 2019, 09:43:37 PM
You mean something like gun rack style, what wit the reading material straddling a nice wooden dowel and hanging free of interference and wrinkle. I bet you remember seeing newspapers hung this way ( some of the older hotels still do it .)Iíll buy that for a dollar  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: I looked at a luxury motor coach the other day that had slide out keyboard in front of the throne and a 42Ē monitor facing it, what for answering those early morning emails. It also had a enclave just above the paperwork dispenser that held a purified water fed single cup coffee brewer  :facepalm: Now thatís RVing  :lolb: :lolb: .

Cletus


Just be careful when the webcam gets turned on ..   :o
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 05, 2019, 09:55:57 PM
Umm...the coffee/espresso machine definitely won't be in the bathroom... :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 05, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
You know they say that LBJ would conduct many of his cabinet and advisors meetings during the Vietnam war whilst sitting on the throne and the door open. See how that worked out for us  :facepalm2: :lolb:

Cletus

I do like the blueprint influence  :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 05, 2019, 10:28:15 PM
Yeah, I am old enough to remember that Cletus. His way of "intimudating" foes I think, but let's not dwell on that  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on February 05, 2019, 11:05:01 PM
Umm...the coffee/espresso machine definitely won't be in the bathroom... :lolb:

Why not?

If I had my way...there'd be a fridge and bed in there too.

And a microwave.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 05, 2019, 11:08:45 PM
Umm...the coffee/espresso machine definitely won't be in the bathroom... :lolb:

Why not?

If I had my way...there'd be a fridge and bed in there too.

And a microwave.
Yep frig for sure and a microwave. Now bed is going overboard there ZEE he may not get anything done, but hey a good recliner would be great..... :lolb:


 :DrinkPint:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 05, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
There is a fridge and microwave, just not in the loo... :Lol:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on February 05, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
Umm...the coffee/espresso machine definitely won't be in the bathroom... :lolb:

Why not?

If I had my way...there'd be a fridge and bed in there too.

And a microwave.
Yep frig for sure and a microwave. Now bed is going overboard there ZEE he may not get anything done, but hey a good recliner would be great..... :lolb:


 :DrinkPint:
Don

A shop should have a comfy chair. In the boat shop we called it the 'Moaning Chair'. One could sit there and contemplate how
to fix the major (*&% up....

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: mklotz on February 05, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
Here you go...

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcaFtnZyFpmz5VIqQrT_46FjBP37bqJhMHKp1jpHxd_rJ2OfZv4g)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: simplyloco on February 05, 2019, 11:33:21 PM
Here you go...

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcaFtnZyFpmz5VIqQrT_46FjBP37bqJhMHKp1jpHxd_rJ2OfZv4g)

A 'Seat of Learning' no less!
John
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 05, 2019, 11:39:04 PM
Here you go...

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcaFtnZyFpmz5VIqQrT_46FjBP37bqJhMHKp1jpHxd_rJ2OfZv4g)


New Business Class airline seat?!?!   :LittleDevil:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: simplyloco on February 05, 2019, 11:45:32 PM
If they offer that then the airline will definitely go down the pan! We had a chap in our platoon whose nickname was 'Harpic'. This was, of course, because he was clean round the bend...
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 06, 2019, 01:45:04 AM
Umm...the coffee/espresso machine definitely won't be in the bathroom... :lolb:

Why not?

If I had my way...there'd be a fridge and bed in there too.

And a microwave.
Yep frig for sure and a microwave. Now bed is going overboard there ZEE he may not get anything done, but hey a good recliner would be great..... :lolb:


 :DrinkPint:
Don

A shop should have a comfy chair. In the boat shop we called it the 'Moaning Chair'. One could sit there and contemplate how
to fix the major (*&% up....

Pete

Mine was called the worry chair.....
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 06, 2019, 02:00:37 AM
Umm...the coffee/espresso machine definitely won't be in the bathroom... :lolb:

Why not?

If I had my way...there'd be a fridge and bed in there too.

And a microwave.
Yep frig for sure and a microwave. Now bed is going overboard there ZEE he may not get anything done, but hey a good recliner would be great..... :lolb:


 :DrinkPint:
Don

A shop should have a comfy chair. In the boat shop we called it the 'Moaning Chair'. One could sit there and contemplate how
to fix the major (*&% up....

Pete

Mine was called the worry chair.....
Supposed to be the admiration chair, where you sit there and admire the curve on the plank you just installed!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 06, 2019, 12:54:44 PM
Well guys, I've got four Grainger shop stools, two with backrests, two without. If THEY recline then my butt is on the ground  :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on February 06, 2019, 06:14:50 PM
Personally, I'd put a clear sealer on the walls, I like that woodgrain panelling.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 06, 2019, 06:24:36 PM
Thanks bent. It's not quite as uniform as it looks in the picture though. The manufacturer also recommends either painting or an opaque stain even for indoor use.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on February 06, 2019, 06:34:08 PM
My neighbour did neither and now he has a magnificent display of fungi growing on his  ::)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 06, 2019, 10:38:37 PM
Jo I am just now getting rid of the similar effects of this building sitting idle for 12 years. I am not letting that happen again...ever!!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 06, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
Well since we both agree that Elvis canít make OSB look good; that bathroom wallboard is just dying for a nice opaque stain. I wasnít going to say anything, but, it has too nice of a texture to paint: and besides, a medium dark stain will enhance the ďlodge lookĒ . Try a sample and let us vote Prof. (ret.)  8)


Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on February 06, 2019, 11:25:15 PM
I agree. That paneling wants a finish that enhances the wood theme. It's too nice to paint1

 :cheers:

I hate mold...

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 07, 2019, 01:08:03 AM
Where are the paint guys now that I need you  :lolb:. I have been back over all the Q&A listings including answers by Louisiana Pacific who makes it, and acrylic latex paint is the recommendation.  I agree a non-opaque stain would look nice but best used on real wood panels and that wasn't in the budget. Even with paint though, I think the deep embossed texture will show through.  Maybe the contrasting trim, baseboard, etc will help too.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 07, 2019, 01:17:33 AM
Scout and I finished up all but one small panel yesterday and today. I am glad to get this done, just the trim and ceiling to go, and the painting and the bathroom will be done. The vanity is out of place in the pic below but will need to paint behind where it goes before moving it back where it belongs under the window. Another week and the renovation should be complete.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 07, 2019, 01:25:16 AM
Maybe use the same paneling in the whole shop... (I didn't mention paint at least)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 07, 2019, 01:26:32 AM
Maybe use the same paneling in the whole shop... (I didn't mention paint at least)

If you do that, prepaint it in the flat.  SOOOO much easier....

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 07, 2019, 01:29:22 AM
Maybe use the same paneling in the whole shop... (I didn't mention paint at least)

If you do that, prepaint it in the flat.  SOOOO much easier....

Dave
Second that, when I built my great room I cleared all the boards before putting the up, tons easier to do on sawhorses than up the wall and cieling.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on February 07, 2019, 02:53:02 AM
Bill,
Did I hear you ask me to mention the color taupe? Maybe some other color would at least sound better.
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 07, 2019, 03:02:39 AM
Bill,
Did I hear you ask me to mention the color taupe? Maybe some other color would at least sound better.
Art


Better sounding colors....   :thinking:




Burgandy


Gold


Chocolate




Worse sounding names:


Puce


Brindle


Guano




Maybe skip colors, and just have the walls chrome plated!

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 12:49:41 AM
The last little panel is in and the painting begins. Wanted to get behind where the vanity is first and then the toilet, all done by brush. Tomorrow I will brush all the corners and around the floor and ceiling  and then use a roller for the rest. Then all that is left is the window, door, baseboard, and corner trim which I will prepaint. Getting close now!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 09, 2019, 12:52:36 AM
Looks good Bill!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: 10KPete on February 09, 2019, 12:58:13 AM
I like it!!

Pete
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on February 09, 2019, 01:35:00 AM
You're going to have a nice throne room there Bill! :)
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 01:59:49 AM
Thanks guys. It's certainly an improvement over what was here before. It was in pretty bad shape. I probably overdid it a bit, but it should outlast me now. I will be glad to get back to some machining soon.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on February 09, 2019, 03:04:15 AM
Thanks guys. It's certainly an improvement over what was here before. It was in pretty bad shape. I probably overdid it a bit, but it should outlast me now. I will be glad to get back to some machining soon.

Bill

That's going to look really nice Bill. Forget a "house warming" ...............are you going to have a "shop warming" when you're done?

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 03:35:40 AM
Nice idea Jim, but I only know of one other model engine enthusiast in the area. I wish there were more.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on February 09, 2019, 05:58:15 AM
We an all join you for a virtual shop warming party! :)
Pick a day, and I'll virtually be there!
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 01:03:07 PM
Now that is an idea, and I will have virtual pizza and moonpies and RC colas for all! I love it!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 09, 2019, 01:05:39 PM
You'll have to wander around with a camera to play into our VR goggles while we sip RC Cola's through a remote straw!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 01:16:55 PM
How about giving away free virtual casting sets  :thinking:, Jo and Sirus might even come then. Just have to do it earlier in the day before her bedtime :)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 09, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
Hey Bill that looks like paint on that wall..... :lolb: and yeah a good shop warming party is a must. Uh you have boudin and cracklings donít you? .... :stickpoke:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
Would fried pork skins do Don? :lolb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 09, 2019, 08:17:48 PM
I guess I could cook up some pigís feet, white beans, and turnip greens on site. Given the time and materials, I could do some pork butts or maybe even a small whole hog. If youíll get me the name of the local Budweiser distributor, I can probably get a tap trailer brought over also  :stir: :stickpoke: :lolb:

Cletus  8)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 09, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
That would be a heck of a shop warming party Cletus!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on February 12, 2019, 12:21:06 AM
Lots of progress since I last looked in.

It's going to be a Supershop...

 :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 14, 2019, 09:24:48 PM
Hey, itís the kinda thing I do fer a living  8)

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 14, 2019, 11:02:09 PM
Hey, itís the kinda thing I do fer a living  8)

Cletus
Hey Dog,Bill just doesnít realize how us Coonass and Redneck can do a shop warming. I mean crawfish, pork butts, alligator meat you name it we can get it. But got to have some good Beverages like some bud lite and whiskey to quench the  thirst.... :lolb:

:cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 15, 2019, 01:05:52 AM
 :hammerbash:You guys are making me hungry/ thirsty now.  More progress in the bathroom today,..baseboard is in, door frame done, one side of door  painted, and window framed. Just some painting and corner trim to finish now. Pics below.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 15, 2019, 01:09:25 AM
John built a nice diorama of your shop. When do we see pictures of the real thing??   :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 15, 2019, 01:15:13 AM
Soon Chris, maybe I will do a short walk through video. Just need to finish the painting and clear out the leftover materials and clean things up a bit.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 15, 2019, 01:31:53 AM
Looking good Bill!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 15, 2019, 01:36:42 AM
Paint do I see paint on those walls..... :lolb:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 15, 2019, 02:19:02 AM
Only the bathroom Don and the door and window trims and doors 😊

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on February 15, 2019, 03:05:41 AM
Hey, itís the kinda thing I do fer a living  8)

Cletus
Hey Dog,Bill just doesnít realize how us Coonass and Redneck can do a shop warming. I mean crawfish, pork butts, alligator meat you name it we can get it. But got to have some good Beverages like some bud lite and whiskey to quench the  thirst.... :lolb:

:cheers:
Don

Wow...........this "shop warming" just gets better and better!  :cheers:  :wine1:  :DrinkPint: I hope Bill has space where I can park with my travel trailer for a couple of days.....................or a couple of months!  ;) Bill.... don't worry about my dietary needs..............I can just freeload off whatever you're eating and drinking!  :LickLips:

Jim

PS: Bill.......I'll bring my P & W build project so you can help me finish it up.  :)

PSS: We need to set up one of them there "Go Fund Me" accounts so Jo and her Cronies can fly over to join us! Wow........this might just turn into another Woodstock!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on February 15, 2019, 04:53:23 PM
Bud lite?  How bout a homebrew hoppy Pac. NW IPA?  Trouble would be getting on the airplane with the 5-gallon corny keg.  Do you think they'd let me if I told them its my emotional support keg? :DrinkPint:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 15, 2019, 07:44:50 PM
Bud lite?  How bout a homebrew hoppy Pac. NW IPA?  Trouble would be getting on the airplane with the 5-gallon corny keg.  Do you think they'd let me if I told them its my emotional support keg? :DrinkPint:
Only if they get a sample!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 17, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
I did a short video of the exterior renovation from the initial "Creature from the Black Lagoon" stage to where it is today. The transformation is astounding even though I watched it happen!!


FKjZRzXyO9A
Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on February 17, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
That was quite the reclamation project Bill!  Well done.  :ThumbsUp: I'm looking forward to the video of the inside.

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 17, 2019, 07:21:51 PM
A real transformation there Bill you did yourself proud bud!  :ThumbsUp:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Steve17 on February 17, 2019, 08:33:38 PM
Sure is a transformation to be proud of.
 :cheers: :ThumbsUp:

 :popcorn: waiting for the internal vid.

Steve.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 17, 2019, 08:50:40 PM
 :its certainly coming along bud! Iwant to see some parts!!!!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 17, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
Me too Dave. We are in the home stretch now (me and Scout). Got the bathroom trim painting finished this afternoon and the door rehung with new hardware. Also got the corner trim painted and will get it up tomorrow. The ceiling is still bare but have ordered the stuff to finish that out as well. One good day of cleaning up and I will get the inside video done too. Then it's swarf time  :cartwheel:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 18, 2019, 02:27:50 AM
Swarf?  You can't get that beautiful room dirty!    :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 18, 2019, 02:40:23 AM
Bet I can Chris, but will also clean up after myself. It can't be any worse than it was when I began on the inside, but I don't plan on letting it get that bad again ever.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on February 20, 2019, 09:14:17 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 20, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
That is quite the transformation Bill, looking forward to seeing you be able to get back to doing some ME projects.

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 20, 2019, 09:41:35 PM
I canít wait for the next episode of ďThis Old ShopĒ with Norm Lindsey  :lolb:

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 20, 2019, 09:55:50 PM
Ahhhh the smell of fresh paint....... :lolb: looking good there Bill love the paint job..... :stickpoke:



 :popcorn:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 20, 2019, 10:35:50 PM
Thanks guys. Nothing new in last two days. Weather is bad and wife had a doctor's appointment today. More tomorrow I hope.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 25, 2019, 02:20:25 PM
With the exception of a new ceiling ( will pick up those materials today), the bathroom is now finished. This proved to be quite an undertaking as there was a good deal of damage to the old floor, walls, and as usual one thing leads to another. At last I am happy with it though. Clean up in the shop area has begun again also so will try to get a video this week.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Elam Works on February 25, 2019, 04:03:39 PM
Where is the bookshelf? Every workshop room of convenience needs a bookshelf to keep near at hand those references like "How to Run a Lathe" and "Fifty Projects You Can Make from Scrap Metal" to pass the time while  engaged in 'inner contemplation'. Also an old Sears & Roebuck catalog (or Machinery Handbook) just in case vital supplies run short...

-Doug
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 25, 2019, 04:09:53 PM
Hi Doug. Am looking for something for just that purpose  ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on February 25, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
 :thinking: Lots of pics of the bathroom but not many of the machine area and none of the model engine casting store  :disappointed:

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jasonb on February 25, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
At least he has now got somewhere to sit and contemplate what casting set to machine next :)
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 25, 2019, 05:03:13 PM
To be corrected soon Jo ;)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 25, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
Of course I don't have near as many as Jo to contemplate over.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 25, 2019, 05:13:58 PM
Hmmmm   Contemplation.......ill never use that word the same  way again......... :lolb:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on February 25, 2019, 05:16:48 PM
Hmmmm   Contemplation.......ill never use that word the same  way again......... :lolb:

 :censored: :ROFL:

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 25, 2019, 10:36:21 PM
Ahhhh look at that moma's touch some curtains in the bathroom. Now that is making it more like home Bill. :cheers:



 :popcorn:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 25, 2019, 10:53:54 PM
Well Don, it needed to match the other two windows  :lolb: . Took a few shots of the shop area and storage/mechanical closet today. There is still some cleaning and organizing to do but making progress. That drill press in the middle of the floor will likely get moved to where the wood band saw is. Not sure what I will do with the band saw  :headscratch:. The first two pics are the shop area, the next three are the closet, the last on shows a small organizer I added to the forwdom area.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on February 25, 2019, 11:29:34 PM
Hello Bill,

What a beautiful shop. I am pretty sure that your closet is bigger than my shop :lolb:

You must be getting anxious to get settled in and start on some projects, enjoy.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 25, 2019, 11:35:26 PM
Looking very nice Bill.

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 12:06:11 AM
I really am Thomas. Most of the rest I can do as things go along. I still need to move the sherline equipment from home to the shop. Dave thanks for looking in. 

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Kim on February 26, 2019, 12:09:41 AM
Wow, that really opens up once you get the injection molding machine and the riding mower and other stuff out of there!
You're going to have room for that party for sure!

Yeah, I'm a little jealous, Bill :)
Kim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 12:25:12 AM
Thanks Kim. I had backed the tractor outside for the pictures as it will reside in the garage of the new house eventually. But yes there is a lot of open space. ..now what to fill it with  :thinking:

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 26, 2019, 12:31:25 AM
If I had the space an nice work bench that could be accessed from all sides would be on the short list.

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 12:39:33 AM
Dave, what would you use it for? Just curious.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 26, 2019, 12:52:26 AM
That is a good question, probably not for model engineering.
I have a chunk of particle board and a couple folding saw horses that I drag out quite often for small projects; it has also been used as my welding table for a number of years. But I recently purchased a small fab table from https://weldtables.com/
I just seem to get into projects like building and wiring a heater control box for my brothers green house, sorting stuff, working on the lawn mower, etc.

Sometimes its just nice to be able to access a project from all sides. It is just another flat surface which is a dangerous thing. :lolb:

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on February 26, 2019, 01:05:42 AM
Years ago when setting up my ship model shop space (now my steam engine model space) I put one of the benches down the center of the room so I could work on both sides for doing rigging, working on both sides of the hull without having to constantly turn it around. Comes in handy for larger models, just keep another chair on that side and saves lots of model-moving (handy for the bigger ones!).
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 26, 2019, 01:09:35 AM
That is a good question, probably not for model engineering.
I have a chunk of particle board and a couple folding saw horses that I drag out quite often for small projects; it has also been used as my welding table for a number of years. But I recently purchased a small fab table from https://weldtables.com/
I just seem to get into projects like building and wiring a heater control box for my brothers green house, sorting stuff, working on the lawn mower, etc.

Sometimes its just nice to be able to access a project from all sides. It is just another flat surface which is a dangerous thing. :lolb:

Dave

How heavy of a bench are you looking for?     Now I don't usually go for Home Depot stuff, but we got this bench for my daughters room, and she loves it.   and it's heavy enough to do some work on

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-46-in-Adjustable-Height-Work-Table-HOLT46XDB12/301809931?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD25T%7C25-11_STORAGE+DEVICES%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000034127206%7c58700003933017532%7c92700031758439054&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3dy-_ZrY4AIVwR6GCh0NUQaSEAQYBSABEgKphvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

And actually we got her the 62"...not the 46"

And its on casters and it's height adjustable with a hand crank.    It's pretty good!!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Dave Otto on February 26, 2019, 01:09:57 AM
And you just may never know when that windmill rebuild project is coming, yes another brother project!

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 01:16:21 AM
Sounds like a good idea and I have or will have a spare set of steel legs. Maybe a flat butcher block top is in order.

On a side note, the guy that cut the granite countertops for the house, cut me a 12"x 18" piece for a surface plate. It's not Starrett but should be good for most things. Bad news is he forgot to bring it with the countertops  :-[

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 01:21:25 AM
Yikes!!! That must be about 9 ft. Diameter.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Flyboy Jim on February 26, 2019, 01:55:00 PM


How heavy of a bench are you looking for?     Now I don't usually go for Home Depot stuff, but we got this bench for my daughters room, and she loves it.   and it's heavy enough to do some work on

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-46-in-Adjustable-Height-Work-Table-HOLT46XDB12/301809931?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD25T%7C25-11_STORAGE+DEVICES%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000034127206%7c58700003933017532%7c92700031758439054&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3dy-_ZrY4AIVwR6GCh0NUQaSEAQYBSABEgKphvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

And actually we got her the 62"...not the 46"

And its on casters and it's height adjustable with a hand crank.    It's pretty good!!

Dave

We bought two of the 62" ones this fall for our hobby room in the house. They work great!

My woodworking bench, in my shop, is away from the wall with access on all sides. I enjoy being able to work, looking out into the room vs staring at a wall.

Jim
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 03:01:45 PM
Nice looking work table Dave and the adjustable height would be nice at times as well as the portability assuming the casters are heavy duty enough.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 09:43:27 PM
Speaking of castings and the contemplation, I gathered up the various ones that are aging and took them out to the shop today. Pitiful compared to Jo's stash no doubt, but should keep me busy a while.

In order they are:
Tiny Power Ajax
Tiny Power Little Kathy
Tiny Power H-10
Little Brother Hit and Miss
PMR vertical boiler ( not sure why the boiler shell looks black, must be a shadow or something)
PMR Hand Boiler Feed Pump
Myers Half Scale Cretors Popcorn Engine
Myers Cretors Oscillating Vertical Popcorn Engine.

Not shown are the PMR Coke Bottle engine, the Parsell&Weed, and the Little Pearl...all under construction

There may be one or two more I haven't unearthed yet. As much as I like the new countertops, they aren't great for pictures, especially brass or bronze castings....sorry about that.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on February 26, 2019, 10:22:03 PM
Cool Bill that should keep you busy for a while..... :ThumbsUp:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 11:07:08 PM
It should Don. Most are ones I am quite interested in as well. Both the H-10 and the Little Kathy I have built before and gave them to my dad. There is a vertical version of the H-10 lurking about also, started but just barely. I really need to get all these partial builds completed!!

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: steamer on February 26, 2019, 11:49:56 PM
I just remembered that I have a little Kathy in the shop too.   hmmmm

Dave
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 27, 2019, 12:35:12 AM
Dave, I used the better of the two sets for my dad's engine. This set is a bit rough, and the cylinder is slightly mismatched along the parting line, but I think I can make it work. Not at the top of the build list. Tiny power used to be more active, but has been bought out by Rappahannock Boat Works ans now seem to be concentrating more on the larger marine engines like the "M" and "W" models.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on February 27, 2019, 01:21:48 AM
Speaking of castings and the contemplation, I gathered up the various ones that are aging and took them out to the shop today. Pitiful compared to Jo's stash no doubt, but should keep me busy a while.

In order they are:
Tiny Power Ajax
Tiny Power Little Kathy
Tiny Power H-10
Little Brother Hit and Miss
PMR vertical boiler ( not sure why the boiler shell looks black, must be a shadow or something)
PMR Hand Boiler Feed Pump
Myers Half Scale Cretors Popcorn Engine
Myers Cretors Oscillating Vertical Popcorn Engine.

Not shown are the PMR Coke Bottle engine, the Parsell&Weed, and the Little Pearl...all under construction

There may be one or two more I haven't unearthed yet. As much as I like the new countertops, they aren't great for pictures, especially brass or bronze castings....sorry about that.

Bill

Well now we know what Bill is going to be up to for the next few weeks. Yep...weeks.  ;D He's retired with a great shop...all that stuff should pop out pretty quick.
As for the countertops...well...had he listened to me...they would be great for pictures.

Oh. Sorry. I never said anything about them. Probably a good thing.

Which raises the question...where in the shop is your photography set?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 27, 2019, 02:19:02 AM
Don't have one Zee, but will give it some thought  :)

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on February 27, 2019, 03:35:39 AM
Trying to catch a minute to check in. Looking great Bill. +1 on just a nice big work table, accessible from all sides. Or, you could build one as a ďdisplay table ď for all your builds and have them ready to run anytime ( they say itís inspirational)  :shrug:  ;)

Cletus

Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Jo on February 27, 2019, 08:12:46 AM
A nice start to your casting collection Bill  8)

I really need to get all these partial builds completed!!

Even the best of us have engines they have never finished  ::) but it is nice to have to be able to pick and choose which one to work on next   :)

Jo
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on February 28, 2019, 05:26:47 AM
Years ago when setting up my ship model shop space (now my steam engine model space) I put one of the benches down the center of the room so I could work on both sides...

I have that kind of setup in the workshop at my place in France. It's great, it optimises bench space, and it feels like luxury to have all four sides accessible. Definitely the way to go, I reckon.

gary
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on February 28, 2019, 09:54:02 PM
The granite guy dropped off the surface plate today at the new house. Made form a piece of the bathroom countertop granite, it is 3cm thick (1.18 in.) And cut to 12"x18" with the top edges beveled. Should be a nice addition. Now have to find a place for it to stay.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: bent on March 01, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
Nicest looking surface plate in a 4-state radius I'll wager!  :D  Mine is pretty nice too, and is similarly acquired from the guy that put our kitchen countertops in.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on March 01, 2019, 07:44:10 PM
Thanks Bent. He also did a 12" x12" one for the house I guess  for like a cheese board or cutting board, but think it would dull knives rather quickly so we'll see about that one.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Art K on March 02, 2019, 01:14:49 AM
Bill,
I acquired two cast iron surface plates that a friend saved from the scrap bin when his place of employment was cleaning house. Must admit they are great things to have around. One is at home in the shop and one went to work. Probably shouldn't use glass or granite for a cutting board unless you like sharpening knives, go with your first thought on that one. :ROFL:
Art
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on March 02, 2019, 01:28:22 AM
Art, I have been using a Blanchard ground steel plate about the same thickness. Has worked well, but also prone to some rusting. Shouldn't be an issue once I move it to the shop, but still think the granite will be better overall.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on March 14, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
It's been two weeks buddy. What's going on?
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on March 15, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Not many changes Zee. Did get the ceiling up in the bath though. Been having to spend more time on the house lately. Was out there all day today....septic system was put in, then the well guy showed up after lunch and was still going at 7pm. Same well, but all new lines to the shop and house, new well pump, pressure tank, and filtration system goes in tomorrow. Haven't forgotten the shop video though.

Will
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on March 20, 2019, 12:47:35 PM
Several days later and FINALLY the well work is finished. Pretty much everything except the well itself is new and this rather hi-tech filtration system seems to be functioning properly though from the final tests yesterday and going through the automatic backwash cleaning routine on both filter tanks, I am glad that is programmed to happy in the middle of the night as it is a somewhat noisy process. If anyone has a similar system, I would love to hear of your experiences. Supposedly, it shouldn't need maintenance for 4 or so years. Time will tell I guess. This did open up a bit more room in the mechanical closet though there is a maze of pipes and valves. Hoping I won't have to replace the vertical air compressor any time soon. Oh, and I still need to get the old pressure tanks out of there...its 24" diameter and the door clearance is 23.5".  Thinking I will slice off enough down one side to get it out rather than replacing the door. An abrasive disk goes through it easily enough. A couple of pictures of the maze are below. Will try to get a video walkaround over the weekend and post it up.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on March 20, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
Hello Bill,

Wow that is some "top shelf" equipment you have, but a most wise investment.

OK, where is the swarf :shrug:

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: gary.a.ayres on March 28, 2019, 07:59:08 AM
A quality setup you are creating there, Bill.

Dream shop!

 :LittleAngel:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: zeeprogrammer on April 05, 2019, 11:33:19 PM
Will try to get a video walkaround over the weekend and post it up.

No video yet. I believe that may be your only failure.  ;D

Nah.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on April 05, 2019, 11:39:17 PM
Will try to get a video walkaround over the weekend and post it up.

No video yet. I believe that may be your only failure.  ;D

Nah.
Yeah Zee the boy has been slacking lately....... :lolb:


 :cheers:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 06, 2019, 12:30:26 AM
Yeah, yeah I know. Haven't forgotten, but haven't done it yet either. Will get on it guys.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 18, 2019, 01:50:49 PM
Getting down to the wire on the house has limited shop time these past couple of weeks though was able to get a few things done. You may have seen an old Dayton (Grainger) drill press lurking about in previous pictures and it was in need of some TLC too. A good clean up, cleaning some surface rust off the column, and a new paint job. Completed this yesterday and have put it where the wood bandsaw was on the outside corner of the mechanical closet. Not sure where the band saw will end up. Anyway it looks better I think and otherwise is still in good shape. Heavy thing too, all cast iron.

Will be back out there this morning for delivery of a new fridge. Hoping today I will be able to get the promised video made and uploaded to youtube.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on April 18, 2019, 02:40:08 PM
Good to hear you are getting the shop elves a new fridge, don't forget to stock it with their favorite cookies and beer.... 
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 18, 2019, 03:39:09 PM
No beer, just yoo-hoo, cheerwine, and sweet tea Chris :D

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Tennessee Whiskey on April 18, 2019, 04:05:49 PM
Nice work on the drill press. How do you like the vibratory tumbler?

Cletus
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 18, 2019, 09:46:12 PM
Cletus, that is a leftover from my molding days. I also did some small metal parts that it came in handy for. I still have plenty of media and it's in great condition so I just hung on to it. May come in handy at times and being next to the laundry sink, I can run water through it  as it runs if needed.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 18, 2019, 10:38:09 PM
Here are the videos finally. Still need to do some more organizing/cleaning up, etc. but it's useable as is now. Sorry no narration as it is self explanatory I think.

Bill

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Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Johnmcc69 on April 18, 2019, 11:04:01 PM
Me thinks I spotted the shop-dogs big comfy chair near the bench in the second video....

 Great looking shop Bill!

 John

 P.S.: Great looking countertops & the drill press looks GREAT!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on April 18, 2019, 11:19:17 PM
What a great setup! Just needs some fresh swarf for seasoning! Congrats on a great new shop!
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on April 18, 2019, 11:58:47 PM
Hello Bill,

What a transformation and a wonderful job you have done with setting up the new shop.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 19, 2019, 12:05:38 AM
Thanks gentlemen. Just one more picture for Chris. Not fully stocked yet but will be shortly. Actually this will serve as an overflow fridge for the house as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on April 19, 2019, 12:08:26 AM
Damnnnnn! That looks Awesome Bill and well organized. That little organizing shelf you have on the wall I just ordered one from Micromark myself going to use it for my Model assembly hobby table I built. Those walls would look great with some paint on them....just saying..... :lolb:. Just love it Bill gladfor you my friend!
My Model hobby table photo.....the little shelf will fit good on my table...

  :drinking-41:
Don
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: crueby on April 19, 2019, 12:09:32 AM
Cool - sodas and ice cream for the shop elves, they will be very helpful on your projects.... ummm... as long as they can open the door... better leave the crowbar out, or rig up some ropes and pulleys.... Dont want them reverting to C4...  :Lol:
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 19, 2019, 12:16:07 AM
Um....sodas yes. What looks like ice cream is actually 1lb. Containers of Boy Scout BBQ I get annually from a guy I worked with. It freezes well. I do like ice cream too though, may need to stock some of that too for the hot summer days ;).

Don, it's a nice little unit. Not perfect but reasonably well made and finished. What that table needs is a new model being worked on...just saying :-X. Sorry couldn't resist that.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: Don1966 on April 19, 2019, 12:38:44 AM
Um....sodas yes. What looks like ice cream is actually 1lb. Containers of Boy Scout BBQ I get annually from a guy I worked with. It freezes well. I do like ice cream too though, may need to stock some of that too for the hot summer days ;).

Don, it's a nice little unit. Not perfect but reasonably well made and finished. What that table needs is a new model being worked on...just saying :-X. Sorry couldn't resist that.

Bill
Yeah Bill I agree this is my next project. Oh and Bill, something you may want to look into is a carbide blade for your band saw. This blade will cut steel like butter, I have one on mine a little expensive but will last a long time.
Title: Re: Bill's Shop Renovation
Post by: b.lindsey on April 19, 2019, 12:52:57 AM
Oh...nice project Don. So where does the engine fit :stickpoke:  :lolb:. Seriously, hope you will post it and your progress. You know I like the brown stuff too.

Bill