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Title: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 07, 2017, 03:54:16 AM
Hello and good morning.

Here are the the first pictures of our IHC Famous in 1/3 scale.
It's build of the OnderStoom Plans from the Nederlands.

My Father beguns to build the steel parts and I begun to build the cart from ash-tree.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: b.lindsey on December 07, 2017, 12:06:10 PM
Hi Toby, so you are building three of these at the same time?  Beautiful work so far and I love the joinery work on those Ash bases too!!

Bill
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: steamer on December 07, 2017, 12:18:35 PM
Welcome Toby!   Nice Work!

Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 07, 2017, 01:10:20 PM
They look good Toby, brings back memories of when I built a 1/5th scale one
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 07, 2017, 06:12:03 PM
Hello,

Bill, yes, we build tree of it.
One for my Father, one for me and the last one, if the others don't run well.  ;)

Today my Father had finished the crankshafts and I made some woodworkings again.

Question, how should I treat the wood so that it becomes oil and gas resistant?
Should I also dye it a little darker?

The last pictures shows the original drawing of the Cart and my drawing in Inventor.

Regards Toby

And here is the pipe I want to use for the Cart Wheels.
It's 114x10 mm.

Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 07, 2017, 06:36:23 PM
I tend to use an oil finish such as "danish oil" or more recently one of the oils which also contain wax such as Osmo Poly-x. This would be a similar German product, they also do the Danish oil. Both easy to apply but make sure you wipe off any excess oil after about 15mins as any left sitting on the surface will not dry and you will have a sticky surface.

https://www.dictum.com/en/surfaces/surface-protection-colours/oils/810060/asuso-nl-hard-oil-wax-water-repellent-silk-matt-750-ml?ftr=_7__97_1_12_12
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 08, 2017, 09:02:43 AM
Hello and good morning.

thank you Jason for reply.

What do you think about this

http://www.clou.de/index.php?id=189&item=13 (http://www.clou.de/index.php?id=189&item=13)

http://www.clou.de/index.php?id=189&item=9 (http://www.clou.de/index.php?id=189&item=9)

Or any other of this? Painting is magical for me  :(

http://www.clou.de/clou-diy/produkte-diy/?u=4 (http://www.clou.de/clou-diy/produkte-diy/?u=4)


Today I make the fist "rear axle support", is it the name of it  ::) .

I used my CNC Mill and mill it of 3mm brass.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: b.lindsey on December 08, 2017, 02:52:03 PM
Very nice work on the axle support Toby. The brass will look very nice too. As for wood finish, I usually use a solvent based wood stain such as Minwax over here in the USA. This is a water thin stain you can either brush on or apply with a cloth and is available in many shades depending on the base wood you are staining. That is followed by 2-3 coats of a polyurethane gloss finish from a spray can. This has held up well for me against oil and fuel.

Bill
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 16, 2017, 09:47:53 PM
Hello,

only a little update, because I wait for some more materials ;-)
3mm brass for the other Axle supports, 5x5 and 6x6 stainless steel for screws.

At this time I begun to make the first Box and make some colour tests.

1st is "Osmo 3072 Bernstein Hardwax Oil"
2nd is "Osmo 3073 Terra Hardwax Oil"
3rd  is only "Clou Holz Siegel" on Ash
4tht is "Clou Oak medium stain" and "Clou Holz Siegel"

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 18, 2017, 07:38:02 AM
Hello,

yesterday I paint the Ash with Osmo Hardwax Oil "Bernstein".  :)
I like the result.

I also thinking about the switch for the ignition.
Do you think it's ok so? Or is it too big?

Regards Toby

Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 18, 2017, 07:50:06 AM
Handle looks too small on the switch and maybe a bit of a fancy design, have you based it on a real one?

This is the Gade one I copied

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/jasonballamy/Hit%20n%20Miss/Half%20Scale%20Gade/box%207_zpsrlrc1khy.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/jasonballamy/Hit%20n%20Miss/Half%20Scale%20Gade/PICT0492_zpsous6ljie.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 18, 2017, 08:02:33 AM
Hello,

I found pictures shows this switch.

Last picture shows your switch.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 18, 2017, 08:18:44 AM
Toby, I did not enlarge all your thumbnails, in the last one it looks like you had a small turned wooden handle on the switch, I can see now it is just the way the light hits the twisted brass :-[

PS wood colour looks about right.
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Dave Otto on December 18, 2017, 06:45:02 PM
Beautiful wood work Toby!
I like the switch too, a bit different than what you usually see.

I'm enjoying your project.
Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 19, 2017, 07:06:34 AM
Hello,

thank you for reply.

Does anyone know the colour of the IHC's?

I want to use RAL colours red and black.
Red engine
black tank and flywheels.

Here is our PowderCoating dealer.
He had RAL 3000, RAL 3001, RAL3003

http://pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-farben-glanz (http://pulvertech.de/de/pulverlack-beschichtungspulver/ral-farben-glanz)

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 19, 2017, 08:39:54 AM
You will have to look up the RAL equivalent to Dupont but this gives the colour matches for a lot of engines

http://www.oldengine.org/members/shpclub/tid002.htm
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 23, 2017, 04:41:42 PM
Hello all.

First I want to wish you nice Christmas Days.

My father makes some more steel work.

Yesterday I paint the rest of the wooden parts.

Then I begun to make the switch.
I take "Pertinax" of 4mm thickness and 3mm Brass.

Now it's time to think about how to make the slots
and thinking about a comression spring or something else to fix the lever and make good electrical contact.
See pictures.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 23, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
I cut the slots with a slitting saw, bit easier if you do it white the part is still attached to the main rod.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/jasonballamy/Hit%20n%20Miss/Half%20Scale%20Gade/HPIM1262_zps5ksva6p7.jpg)

If you slightly bend the lever so it is out of line with the slots then the "spring" in the lever will be enough to hold it in the slots.
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 25, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
Hello,

Jason, thanks for the tip.
I will see what my father can do.
He has a slitting saw.
The lever is only slightly bent, I did not know. Thank you.

Today I found a little time and finished the first hinges for the box.
It still lacks the right steel rivets.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 30, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
Hello.

Thuesday I visit my father. We'll do some work at the Hand Truck Parts.

My fahter had begun to myke the wheels, and
I've begun to make some parts of the front axle holder.

At Christmas the Engine stands the first time at the Hand Truck.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Admiral_dk on December 30, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
Looking really good so far  :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: yogi on December 30, 2017, 10:41:26 PM
Coming along nicely!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:
Thanks for sharing.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Dave Otto on December 31, 2017, 01:12:11 AM
Hi Toby

You and your dad continue to make very nice parts, everything is coming together nicely!
I'm wondering about the photos of the original battery box, do you have any idea what type of engine that it was from?

I'm at the point that I need to make a battery box for my project and was thinking about maybe doing something similar to what you have done here. I really like the hinge design.
My battery box would have been from the 1890's and I'm not exactly sure what construction and hardware they would have used back then.

Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on December 31, 2017, 08:23:30 AM
Hello Dave,

I hope, this design of box is the original IHC Famous box.

Take a look at this.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ihc-famous-hit-miss-engine-battery-1761510276 (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ihc-famous-hit-miss-engine-battery-1761510276)

http://usedpowertools.net/antique-hit-miss-stationary-engine-battery-box-ihc-famous.php (http://usedpowertools.net/antique-hit-miss-stationary-engine-battery-box-ihc-famous.php)

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on December 31, 2017, 12:45:17 PM
The "knife" hinges can also be seen in several of the illustrations in these old catalogues.

http://www.archive.org/stream/ihcvictorfamousg00inte#page/24/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/stream/internationalhar00inte#page/8/mode/2up
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on January 03, 2018, 11:22:33 AM
Hello and good morning.

Yesterday my father and I do some work on the axle holder.
We also finished the knife switch.

The Wanderer, scale 1/6, is another projekt of my father, and the Allchin, scale 1/12 I think, is for selling.
My father also selling a new, untouched castign kit of the Allchin.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on January 03, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
Some very neat soldering on those brackets. I also like your Fathers Fowler, you don't see that many made as the road loco, most are the single cylinder agricultural versions.

J
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on January 05, 2018, 07:38:25 AM
Hello,

the axle / handle bar holder are ready now.
Also the axle washers.

Now we wait for the laser cut wheel inlets to finish the wheels.

Jason, my father always likes something special about his models.  :)

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on January 24, 2018, 10:40:39 AM
Hello,
here is a little update.

My dad has finished the piston rod, cylinder and bushing.
The piston is from a Honda Dax 50ccm.

I got the lasered wheel inserts and began milling the grooves for the spokes.

Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on March 21, 2018, 08:49:48 AM
Hello,

a little update of our IHC.

My father soldered and rounded off the tank and crankcase.
And has built the water pumps holder.

Next, some levers were built. For that I could do the blanks on my CNC milling machine.
My father then finished the rest of the levers.

Some parts of the tank fittings are already finished.

Toby


Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: b.lindsey on March 21, 2018, 06:48:24 PM
Good to see an update Toby. The fabrication work looks very nice too!!

Bill
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on September 06, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
Hello,

yes, I am still alive  ;)

In the last weeks my father worked a lot on the IHC.
He built many levers, the camshaft, the waterpump, the flywheels, the magneto and many small other parts.

At this time, I build one completly other thing. A crooked garden sheed, or witch house.

Regards Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on September 06, 2018, 08:08:11 AM
some more pics
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Roger B on September 06, 2018, 09:21:09 AM
Good progress on the engine with some excellent fabrication  :praise2:  :praise2:

I also like the topsy turvey house  :ThumbsUp:  :ThumbsUp: I remember seeing something similar for sale in OBI a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on September 06, 2018, 09:30:28 AM
Hello Roger.
Thanks for your comment.
Right, the house is also available as a kit or ready to buy.
It was clearly too expensive to buy.
Then, after photos from the internet, I drew it myself and then built it.

If you are interested, there are some information and many pictures on my homepage.

www.TobyTetzi.de (http://www.TobyTetzi.de)

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on November 03, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
Hello,

there is also a small update here.
The cylinder head has been started and the carburetor has been completed.


Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Dave Otto on November 03, 2018, 03:03:03 PM
Great progress Toby, lots of very nice fabrication!
I really like the Witch house that you made, I was going to comment on it before but forgot to.

Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on January 17, 2019, 12:04:04 PM
Hello,

Slowly you can recognize an IHC Famous.
My dad has finished all sorts of parts.
We are very excited about how the engines will run.
Until then, there is still a lot to do.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: steamer on January 17, 2019, 12:11:20 PM
Beautiful engine!
Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on January 17, 2019, 01:20:31 PM
Some good progress there, won't be long before you have it running and driving your pump.
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Roger B on January 17, 2019, 05:31:49 PM
Excellent progress  :praise2:  :praise2: That's a lot of work  :ThumbsUp:
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Dave Otto on January 18, 2019, 12:12:06 AM
Very nice!

Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on January 18, 2019, 11:12:48 AM
Hello Toby,

Absolutely beautiful and some neat and clean plumbing.  :ThumbsUp:

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on February 07, 2019, 10:10:50 AM
Hello,
thanks for your comments.

My dad starts now with the powder coating the parts.
We chose black / red.
The tank, the flywheels and the pulleys are already done.

I would like to surprise my father with stickers.
I saw it at
https://www.binderbooks.com/bb-ds-ih-f2.html
there are "original" stickers.

Now my questions.
Have these stickers really been that way on the engines?
Where were the stickers affixed?
Are these stickers also small or can the stickers be made by someone?

I would like to make a sticker on the box with the ignition.
Is that OK?

I know a manufacturer, Tailormade Decals, but only makes waterslide decals.
I think they are not suitable.

Thanks for the help, Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on February 07, 2019, 11:20:34 AM
The plainer "circle" was more often used either on the cylinder or more often the sloping sides of the crankcase. The battery box was also a common place to find the Logo.

http://www.archive.org/stream/internationalhar00inte#page/n1/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/stream/ihcvictorfamousg00inte#mode/2up

I don't think there is an ideal way to get it onto wood, if you go for waterslide that will work if the wood has a good smooth lacquered or varnished surface and then apply more coats to protect the transfer. You can get them printed onto self adhesive clear but it always shows where the edge of the sticker is.

Waterslide can be done at home by using special paper and putting that through your own printer, for the circle just plain black would be best as colour is too weak or needs printing onto a white background which then has to be cut so any white does not show. This is one I did myself, poor photo but the metal is brass and about 15mm diameter

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/jasonballamy/Engineering/EastonandAnderson/IMAG1688_zps7pyfrzwm.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: b.lindsey on February 07, 2019, 02:01:29 PM
Toby, I was able to save both logos from your link as jpeg images. You can then insert them into a word document (see the .pdf below) and then use the handles for each image to size them appropriately to your engine's scale. As Jason said, these can then be printed on clear mylar 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheets available at most office supply places (Avery or similar brand). With careful trimming the mylar film (which isn't totally clear) can be minimized. This is best done with a color laser printer though. Since the sheets are not cheap you maw want to print as many of each logo on a sheet as you can and save them. They will eventually wear over time but I did this on the B&S engine in my avatar and it doesn't look bad at all

Bill
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: MJM460 on February 11, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
Hi Toby, I donít know if you keep up with other posts, but I was at a show recently and was interested to see a fully restored hit and miss engine called an IHC Famous.

I remembered your project so took a couple of pictures for you and your dad.  (In the post on the Orford show.)

When I had another look at your thread, I had obviously remembered the name but not the engine.  Judging by the stickers, it was the same name and company, but obviously a different design.  Perhaps the same name was continued as designs developed over the years.  But if they are of any interest to you I can send you the photos that I have, such as they are.

MJM460


Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on February 13, 2019, 08:28:37 AM
Hello and thank you.

I will see again with the stickers. Dear without stickers, than with bad ones.

Yes, I have seen the images of the IHC Famous after the reference.
It is, however, a horizontal machine.
We build the IHC Famous Vertical.
But I would also be happy about these pictures.

TobyTetzi@gmail.com

Attached still the current state of the engines.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jasonb on February 13, 2019, 08:40:08 AM

Yes, I have seen the images of the IHC Famous after the reference.
It is, however, a horizontal machine.
We build the IHC Famous Vertical.

Toby there are pictures of the vertical engines in those links that have the logo on them where I said as well as on the cooling tank and battery box
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: MJM460 on February 13, 2019, 10:50:56 AM
Hi Toby,

Pictures sent

MJM460
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on February 26, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
Hello,

here the current status of the IHC engines. There is still a lot to do.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: b.lindsey on February 26, 2019, 04:25:33 PM
Looks great Toby and pretty close to being finished as well.  :ThumbsUp:

Bill
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Admiral_dk on February 26, 2019, 09:18:09 PM
Quote
here the current status of the IHC engines. There is still a lot to do.

That might be the case, but it is already a very attractive engine  :praise2:
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on March 22, 2019, 06:27:55 AM
Hello,

Engine No.1 and Engine No.2 have made the first firings.
Now there are a few subtleties to make.

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Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Jo on March 22, 2019, 08:21:14 AM
Well done Toby that both looks nice and runs well  8)

Jo
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: MJM460 on March 22, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
Hi Toby, those two are really running well.  Always good to see the first run of an engine, let alone two together.  And the engines are really looking great.  Beautiful work by both you and your father.

Does that mean you donít need the third one now?  Or did it get dropped off earlier in the thread?

Will these each get a pump to drive?

MJM460

Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on March 22, 2019, 10:47:52 AM
Hello,

the third engine is not yet running because the inlet valve is not tight.
He will be running soon.

What my father would like to do with the third engine, I would have to ask  ::)

Yes, exactly, these motors are supposed to drive the water pumps.
I'm still thinking about how to mount the motors with the truck and the pumps on a board, for example.
It would be nice if you could change the pumps.
Then you could also drive our generator.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on April 10, 2019, 06:45:07 AM
Hello,

last weekend in Dortmund was the InterModellBau exhibition.
Unfortunately, the exhibition is getting smaller every year.
There my dad was able to exhibit the IHC's for the first time.
It was a good opportunity to get the engines running.
Meanwhile, the water tanks were built.
But there is still something to do.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Johnmcc69 on April 10, 2019, 02:45:00 PM
Nice display Toby! Looks like it was a nice time. The famous looks great!
 Is the traction engine yours as well?

 John
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on April 10, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
Hello Toby,

Beautiful engine and display.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on April 10, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
Thank you.

That was 4 hard and long days for my father.
He had some nice converstaions there.
Yes, the Road Lico ist father ones.

Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Dave Otto on April 10, 2019, 11:48:04 PM
Beautiful engines and a very nice display  :ThumbsUp:

Dave
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on May 10, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
Hello,

with the IHC it goes on.
All three water tanks were turned, the "lid" with the grid is still missing.
The chassis was also continued.
All parts have been powder coated.

I accidentally saw a clutch pulley. That would be good for the IHC.
Are there possibly drawings, sketches of the function?
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Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on May 10, 2019, 08:44:17 PM
Hello Toby,

Boy that little green engine is sweet, love that sound.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Admiral_dk on May 10, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
It sounds fantastic + some nice parts below  :praise2:
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on May 11, 2019, 08:06:10 AM
Hello,

the green engine is not mine. It's the video where I saw this clutch pulley.
For this I am looking for more information.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on May 11, 2019, 05:22:22 PM
Hello,

I once drew something for pictures that I found.
Some parts are not clear to me yet, because I have no pictures of.
Basically, the function of the clutch is given.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on May 20, 2019, 12:08:19 PM
Hello,

The carts of all three IHC's have now been completed.
The nuts and bolts were made of 6mm square material.
I think it's very similar to the original.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: TobyTetzy on May 20, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
This is Papa's little "IHC factory".
I think it's fantastic.

Greeting Toby
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Ye-Ole Steam Dude on May 20, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
Hello Toby,

I agree, it is fantastic.

Have a great day,
Thomas
Title: Re: 1/3 Scale IHC Famous
Post by: Johnmcc69 on May 20, 2019, 02:44:38 PM
That's just beautiful work Toby! I really like those carts.

 John