Model Engine Maker
Engines => Your Own Design => Topic started by: Jasonb on November 05, 2020, 05:03:48 PM
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With a bit of :pinkelephant: recently having taken place in the workshop I felt it safe to start writing up the story of this journey knowing that the destination is only a lick of paint away so you won't get left up a dead end part way through.
A recent thread on here asking about details of the Sissons' Thompson engine got me interested in this one which for some reason had gone under my radar for some time.
Originally available from The Thompson Engineering Co of Grand rapids in ready to run form.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/original_add.JPG)
A casting kit was later available from Sissons that had some differences to the original such as a more angular frame and different head layout
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/sisson3(1).jpg)
Although I have visited Bob Herder's site a number of times over the years I had overlooked his version which seems closer to the original
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/Web_Model_Pics_010.jpg)
Rather than take the simple route of locating plans or even a set of castings where someone has done the work for you I opted to design my own from various images found on the net and basic sizes given in the advert. I went for my usual 24mm bore and full metric conversion with stock sizes and metric threads etc. As I'm unlikely to run this in a hull or chassis where some cooling is available I decided to include a cooling fan and also a means to adjust the timing while running, this is the result of a few evenings spent with Alibre showing the main components and general layout.
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I made a start on the open frame as this is the main part of the engine and the one requiring the most work. To get a nice solid construction and reduce the number of parts in the single fabrication I used a section cut out of a PFC (parallel flange channel) structural steel to form the vertical leg that carries the boss for crankshaft, camshaft and the bottom of the cylinder. This also had slots milled in for stiffening webs and a couple of holes for screws to keep things together while soldering.
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Next a slightly overwidth strip was cut from some 3mm steel sheet and that was easily bent without the need to anneal or use heat to the required shape using a 1:1 drawing as a guide to check that the bends were correct. The bent strip was then clamped to the mill table and most of the excess width milled off down the sides to keep the mass as small as possible so things would heat up quicker when it came to soldering.
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With the end that will go around the top of the head set vertical to the mill table holes were bored for the various bosses.
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here you can see the hole being bored that will fit over a spigot on the top of the cylinder, you can also see the bottom plate and bosses in place, again these have had the excess material in the middle turned to a waist so there is less to heat. Note the use of 10-20-40 and 20-40-80 blocks rather than 1-2-3 as this is a metric build :LittleDevil:
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Very nice Jason!
:popcorn:
John
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I really like your setups!
gbritnell
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Interesting ,single main casting engine !!.. requiring just 4 drills and 4 reamers !!.. quite compact as well .. Looking forward to see it running..
Willy
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Thanks for the interest guys.
Willy, yes as you say to machine the casting is quite simple and offers me no real challenges just 3 different size reamed holes and boring for the liner though I suppose that could be reamed too. I think that is why I like to make from scratch as it is the production of the "casting" that really requires a lot of thinking about at the design stage and is often far more involved in machining terms than just poking a few holes in a part.
There is also the added bonus that I can make what takes my fancy and not have to limit myself to what casting sets are available. I also means I'm not filling up my diminishing display space too quickly as there is a lot more time put into fabricating the parts than there would be if simply machining castings it would soon run out if I were completing them in a couple of weeks each.
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When drawing up the engine I played with a few options for the cylinder, I did think of doing an aluminium finned outer with cast iron liner but it would not have been easy attaching this to the frame and the same problem would have existed if I went with an all cast iron option. In the end I settled on a steel finned outer which could be silver soldered into the frame that would accept a cast iron liner.
First job was to saw of a length of EN1A steel with sufficient length to allow it to be held in the 3-jaw while a spigot was turned to locate it in the upper part of the frame, here you can see me using the frame to gauge the fit.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200605_112756.jpg)
Then with some added tailstock support the fins were roughed out using a 2mm GTN type parting insert.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200606_093653.jpg)
Changing to a 2mm dia MRMN tool the sides of the fins were tapered and the valley rounded to give the "cast" look
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200606_110106.jpg)
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The chucking piece was then sawn off and the cylinder outer bored and a spigot cut to locate into the lower part of the frame.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200606_141716.jpg)
The next job was to make the various webs that stiffen the frame, these were located into shallow slots milled into the inner faces of the frame and shaft bosses, here you can see a couple in place, th ecrests of the fins have also been rounded over.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200607_143722.jpg)
After completing the webs and adding more bosses for the valve guide and fan spindle it was time for a bit of silver soldering.
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I could now treat my fabrication as a casting. After sawing out the spacers between the bosses the inner faces were milled back to length then the frame held flywheel end upwards and the shaft holes drilled and reamed. If you look closely particularly at the cam shaft boss that I tried to hide with the milling cutter you can see that things moved slightly during soldering but that protruding boss is due to be flushed off so won't show.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200610_112436.jpg)
The bottom was given a quick skim and the mounting holes added
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I opted for off the shelf gears as they are cheap particularly as they were wide enough to cut down the middle so I have some for the next project, some make shift shafts were slipped into the holes and gear mesh checked out OK.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200611_122857.jpg)
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Nice progress Jason, on what appear to be a rather different engine :ThumbsUp:
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I decided to go for a more shapely base than the original as it gave me an excuse to try a few more things out on the CNC. A piece of 16mm 6082 was rough cut to size on the vertical bandsaw and screwed to a block which in turn could be held in the vice. I tried out a 25mm dia 2-flute indexable cutter for the roughing pass which meant a lot less passes around the work due to being able to use a wide 20mm stepover, it worked quite well just getting a bit noisy as I got towards the bottom due to the unsupported edges giving a bit of chatter.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200618_111928.jpg)
The finishing was done with a 6mm 4-flute ball ended cutter using Fusion 360's Steep & Shallow 3D finishing, it did leave a couple of ridges where direction changed due to what I have now found was a slightly too tight Z-axis. You may also be able to spot that I was short of material on a couple of corners, this was due to positioning the work based on the ctr of the top face where the engine fixes but doing the CAM based on the ctr of the stock which was about 2mm different.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200618_143545.jpg)
But with a bit of JBWeld to build up the corners and some work with Emery cloth on the ridges it did not come out too bad once a coat of etch primer had been blown on, I've since rounded over the edges a bit more as they look to crisp in this photo.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200623_154217.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCuUzREEjy4
The cylinder head started as a lump of cast iron bar in the lathe where a 1mm spigot was turned to locate in the cylinder liner before being transferred to the mill where I drilled and tapped what will become the clearance holes for the head screws and also just spotted the position of the two valve pockets.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200705_091855.jpg)
I was then able to mount the head onto a block of aluminium by screwing up from below which made it easy to hold for shaping the top and edge which was done on the CNC. Still a few ridges left where the mill's head is sticking slightly.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200711_102500.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CruYbOx9OR8
Four spacers were turned up so that the head could be held the opposite way round in the 4-jaw and the valve holes drilled, reamed, counterbored and the seats taper turned all in one setting. Then finally back to the lathe to add inlet and exhaust passages which were tapped M6x1 and M8 x 1 respectively.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200712_090327.jpg)
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That is a work of art coming alive!! Jason, I do like your work. WOW!! :DrinkPint:
BC1
Jim
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Jason,
That is a great job of fabricating that block. That looks to be a nice little engine.
Art
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Continuing to get some use out of the KX3 some of the smaller parts were then made with its aid.
For the conrod a piece of round 2014 had flats milled on either and was then drilled and reamed for big and little ends. it was fixed to a holding block with a couple of top hat bushes and given a pleasing shape.
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Followed by turning a couple of bronze bushes that were a lightly pressed in with a drop of 648 for good measure.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/DSC03993.JPG)
Unlike the original I wanted to be able to adjust the ignition timing while the engine was running and the curves on the timing bracket and a small brass knob for the adjuster were again ideal CNC jobs.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/DSC03995.JPG)
The Rocker arm was next up on the list being held at either end on an overlong blank that had the waste material cut off after machining.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/DSC03994.JPG)
The piston was a simple turning job but I did use the CNC to mill out the dog bone shaped internal recess, here it is along with the other small parts.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/DSC03996.JPG)
Another feature I wanted to add was a small cooling fan which was cut from 0.5mm steel steel, a few tabs were included in the code so that it would remain in place while the 2mm cutter worked it's way around the shape, these were simply cut through and the remains filed off to finish.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200626_114005.jpg)
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What will you be using for a piston ring?
Looks like a good size ring groove.
Nice idea with the adjustable timing!
John
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Just a single 2.4mm section metric Viton O ring. I find they give plenty of compression and almost zero drag.
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I just purchased the plans for the Thompson from Bob Herder and added it to my growing bucket list. Beautiful work. I am watching your progress. thanks for taking the time to show your work.
Mike
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I was not too keen on the solid flywheels that are shown in the photos of other engines so decided to go for a spoked one along the lines of what's on the Wall Wizzard with heavy spokes and rim and a large hub that the starter cord pulley could be screwed to. I ordered a piece of EN3 but the colour suggests I got EN8 :thinking: I started buy roughing it down to size on the lathe from the 105mm dia purcheased to 100mm finished dia, I have a couple of holders that allow the two "unused" corners of CCMT inserts to be used and find them ideal for this type of work.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200717_183044.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT4-tZeDxSY
The middle section was recessed on both sides to loose some of the waste material and then some holes drilled and bored so that the milling cutter could enter easily and not have so much work to do.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200718_083419.jpg)
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With the flywheel held in a 3-jaw chuck mounted to the CNC's table the initial adaptive clearing cut was done leaving the stepped finish below
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200719_091800.jpg)
A "steep & Shallow" cut was then taken with a 6mm ball ended cutter before flipping the flywheel over and doing the same two operations to the other side
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There were a few ridges due to some backlash which has now been traced to an overtight head gib strip so the spokes were given a light tickle with teh Dremel before adding the pulley screw holes and broaching the keyway.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20200929_115826.jpg)
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That looks nice Jason
I really enjoy your pictures and how you silver solder everything together. You have the talent and patience that I need/ or wish I had.
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Excellent! I like your YouTube videos as well.
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Thanks for spending the time to show us your methods and process.
It looks great.
Mike
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Thanks for the interest Guys.
Just a small post tonight. I was not that keen on the fuel tank or carb shown on the earlier engines so I decided to go for something similar to what I made for the Midget not least because I still had five of those miniature jam jars to find a use for!
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/(edited)_20201004_090649.jpg)
Apart from having it screw into the cylinder head rather than use a flange mounting the only other real deviation was to have a lever to rotate the throttle barrel rather than using the actual jam jar. The CNC made quick work of this with a 3mm 3-flute cutter blending all the internal and external radii perfectly, I set the CAM to leave a couple of tabs so the part did not fly off part way through cutting and these were easily cay and removed with a needle file.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20201004_083038.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwlnREMKA0s
I used a piece of 8mm copper brake line for the exhaust which was filled with lead to stop it collapsing while being bent over a former. The lead melted out without sticking to the uncleaned copper so it was easy to silver solder on a short length of brass drilled 6mm and threaded M8 x 1.0mm so it could be screwed into the head and like the carb locked with a round nut with two spanner flats as I felt that looked a bit nicer than the usual hex nuts.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/20201004_090622.jpg)
That just about completes the construction. I have test run the engine but did not bother to video it, these tests did show that it gets quite hot so my hopes to paint it in Kawasaki green have had to be put on hold as I felt some VHT paint may stand a better chance of surviving and their "kermit" green is not as bright :(. Now that the paint has had time to harden I'm waiting for a bright day to take some photos before the paintwork gets mucked up with oil etc doing the video run but hope to have pics and a video for you soon.
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We will look forward to the video!!!
Mike
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Well I finally got round to taking some photos of the finished engine, apart from the colour which was darker than I intended I'm happy with the way it turned out.
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Great work.
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Very nice!
Dave
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Elegant result :ThumbsUp:
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A lovely engine Jason. Silver soldering fabrications looks a better alternative to my welding......I need to get a new torch. Apart from all the programming, etc the cnc makes light work of fancy shapes. Thanks for your educational posting. Terry
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wow very nice! green paint fitted very well!
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Jason--that is a lovely engine.-I really like it.---Brian
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Well done Jason! Quite a unique engine.
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Very nice Jason. I like the color too!!
Bill
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Thanks for all the appreciative comments, even from those who like the shade of green. It's growing on me a bit but having always pictured this one being painted with Kawasaki green in my mind while designing and building the VHT Kermit Green was a bit of a let down :disappointed: There is always this option if I still don't like it.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/v156/jasonballamy/(edited)_DSC04037.JPG)
But onward to the important bit before anyone thinks I may not have fully finished the engine before moving on to the Heinrici. Unlike a few engines this one seemed to run better after stripping and painting and starts first time after a pull of the cord which I can get 5-6 winds around the starter pully. It's still running quite hot particularly when I lean it out which also ups the revs and makes the throttle a bit more responsive. Richening the mixture a bit slows it down to a more pleasing (to me) speed but then the throttle has little effect.
I did not play with the timing on the video as it is hard to do up the adjuster one handed and did not want to risk things coming loose as during initial testing that did happen and the brass ignition contact went through the open gears and was spat out the other side in several pieces :'(
The exposed gears and crank make it a bit noisy but it does make for a more interesting engine when running rather than having everything hidden away inside a crankcase and the dirty oil seems to wipe off Ok ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZusJ63Huk
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And nice running!!
May I ask what is the weight and radius of the flywheel? It runs also very table on low rpms. cheers
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I did not weigh it but the CAD tells me it should be 787grams
Rim is 100mm outside diameter, 25mm wide and 9.25mm thick
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Way cool 8).
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Damn nice running engine Jason and great fab job!..... :Love:
:cheers:
Don
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Just thought I would post this link to a new supplier of castings that have an engine that no doubt has it's origins in the Thompson design. They do it as both a 4-stroke and flame licker. There was fair size article about building in in MiM recently.
They also have quite a nice looking set of castings for a pump jack but not on their website yet.
https://www.binnen-mt.de/product-page/viertaktmotor-tom-s-vertikal