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Supporting => Tooling & Machines => Topic started by: Tennessee Whiskey on May 20, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
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BREAKING NEWS: the Close Enuf Machine Shop, Springbucket, Tn. location is once again open for business. I know a lot of my loyal fans and even Marv have been missing my builds, which exhibit hap hazard machining and wonderful Southern commentary. Now that the Cyclone project is in the Showcase, I dug into my stash of castings, pay attention Jo. Cabin Fever before last, our own honorable Professor Bill Lindsey, was nice enough to take my AMEX card and buy everything a man could want to build the 1/4 scale Red Wing, however, after such a layoff, and at my skill level, I'm kinda scared of jumping on this straight away. In my stash of castings I found the PMR drill press set, the PMR vertical boiler, something from a nice chap in Idaho marked Wall or Wahl twin cylinder, and a set of Gary Martin's die filer castings. So, me following the old Don1966 strategy, decided to start with a tool that will come in handy on any of the afore mentioned. Now, I am not starting a new build without a piccy, so, here is what I'm starting with. May take me a while to get up to speed, but, I'll do my best to make y'all enjoy it. Tell everybody hey,
Cletus
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Castings :naughty:
Jo
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Oh its a tool build :( Well at least you will have some nicely manicured nails at the end of it or is it not that sort of file? ;)
J
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A die filer makes a great addition to the shop. I'm along for the ride :popcorn:
Cheers,
Phil
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Yee-Haw...welcome back Cletus. Looking forward to the build. As for the AmEx card...my pleasure...happy to do it...anytime :lolb:
Bill
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Love my die filer; I just wish I had time to do a Cyclone class rebuild on it. It's dirty and leaks oil, but it sure is handy when you need it.
Have you found any files yet? Gary Martin used to have a small selection and Victor Machinery also may still have some. They are scary expensive when they show up on eBay.
OK lets get going!
Dave
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How are files held in a filer? Something like a collet chuck would be my guess??
Would it be possible to grind a new "tang" on a conventional file and use it in the filer?
On the miniature filer I built
http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,1800.msg26667.html#msg26667
I cheated and mounted diamond jeweler files; they cut in either direction so no problem.
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If you want to consider using diamond files, this cylindrical sharpener...
http://www.amazon.com/Smiths-DRET-Diamond-Retractable-Sharpener/dp/B001910FOA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1432157166&sr=8-6&keywords=diamond+knife+sharpener
might work although the grit is very fine. [It does a fantastic job of sharpening scallop-edge knives, too.]
Also, chain saw sharpening files are cylindrical.
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Marv,
My Butterfly die filler has a two jaw chuck to grab the file and yes I have ground files to fit the chuck but it is not the tang end you need to grind it is the other end because die filers cut on the down stroke. Chain saw files were mentioned but piller files are good also.
The thing I really like to use my die filer for is using the saw arm attachment so a normal hacksaw can be used. I use my Cowells vertical slide bolted to the table so I can move an adjustable fence and make thin sections of sheet metal.
Dan
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I got a set of files (parallel machine files, type B) from Artco:
http://www.artcotools.com/parallel-machine-file-type-b.html
As does the aforementioned Victor Machinery, they give a "supplies are limited" disclaimer.
--TIm
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but it is not the tang end you need to grind it is the other end because die filers cut on the down stroke.
Having built one, Dan, I know that. The "new tang" I mentioned would be ground on the end opposite the old tang.
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Marv,
Yes I figured that you knew that. Your phrasing was a bit confusing to someone who did not know that so I started typing. I did raise my hand but no one noticed.
Dan
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Cletus,
When you are close to finished, PM me. I have about 20 files I inherited with my ancient Oliver and I'll gladly mail a few to you NC. My actuary tells me I'd need to live to be 200 years old to use all of them. :old:
Cheers,
Phil
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Hey Dog your going to love it. I love my die filer and it will be one you made. Hot dog I pulling up a chair and getting the beer and popcorn............ :stickpoke:
:DrinkPint: :popcorn:
Don
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Thanks for the welcome back to the real machining world :facepalm: I have some files I bought from Gary when I bought the castings, but, Phil, a man can never have too many tools or tooling. As I said, I'm going to work myself slowly back to my normal turtle's pace. I plan on starting by doing the Dave Otto pretty grind and sandblast. The plans leave plenty of room to use whatever you have to make it work :ThumbsUp:. I am kind of wondering how to drive the old boy if and when I am successful in it's build. If y'all could give me some input on a power source, I'd be a thanking you. Marv, to be honest, I really haven't looked at how the files are held. I was wondering how I was supposed to make a useful machine out of just 4 castings. Jason, funny thing about the BBQ pork business, don't know what it is, but, my nails grow at an alarming rate and are as hard as a mason's hammer, only started when I started in the Q business, must be something in the pig grease 8).
Bill, you, Lou, and DOG, can use my card anytime, anything you bought, I'd enjoy, the other two I know not to argue with :lolb:..Y'all standby for all the news that is the news right here in Corncob County and tell everybody we said hey . Oh boy, cast iron dust in the shower, can't wait :popcorn: :cheers: :DrinkPint: :lolb:
Cletus
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I'll be watching out.
I mean, I'll be watching. ;D
Admins and moderators can't be expected to do everything by themselves. ;D
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Hot Damn!! Cletus builds a die filer.
As for files, I got some from Gary, some at the CF auction and have ground the end of a few "regular" ones. Chainsaw files, of course.
As far as powering it: seems you have a ¼ horse horizontal lying around somewhere. That'll do her.
Vern
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Got the wine, got the pate (we are very sophisticated here). Let 'er rip, I'm on for the duration.
Jim
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I agree Stan, 1/4 hp should do the trick. I believe my old Oliver is 1/4 hp, but of course, that was when men were men etc. :naughty:
Cheers,
Phil
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Jim,
You are very brave mentioning "wine and pate" to Cletus. I'm sure he had to Google those to find out what you were talking about :lolb:
Cheers,
Phil
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2 buck chuck and road kill pate
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Around here it would be a cold Bud and a can of potted meat :lolb:
Cletus
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And don't forget the anchovies......... :Love:
Don
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Without the proper diacritical marks...
pâté
it's just the top of the head.
When I worked in France, I had a colleague tell me that he admired my attempts to speak French but said I needed to work on my pronunciation. I told him that I could never speak French properly because my German ancestry made it impossible for me to pronounce apostrophes.
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Cletus, just whip out that AmEx card and splurge some...maybe a Sam Adams (or two) and a can of Spam :)
Bill
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Without the proper diacritical marks...
pâté
it's just the top of the head.
When I worked in France, I had a colleague tell me that he admired my attempts to speak French but said I needed to work on my pronunciation. I told him that I could never speak French properly because my German ancestry made it impossible for me to pronounce apostrophes.
Sorry about that Marv, have a lie down and you will soon recover. I assume that you have no problem pronouncing umlauts. We are not terribly elegant here, just a bit pretentious.
Jim
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AHHHH, the smell of cast iron in the shower. Pouring rain here today, so, I spent me some shed time. I started with the table, don't know why, just did. I originally set it up as shown in the next pic, and then found that due to a misplaced DRO reader head and me mill being a bit small, I had to turn things around and come up with a different plan.
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After turning things around, it was simple matter of indicating each side square and cutting to dimension.
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After the mounting lug and all sides had been squared I flipped it over and put the cheap face mill that came with the mill from Grizzly, and faced off the top of the table.
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And the finish turned out good enough that a little character building on some 320 grit should do the trick.
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Not a lot, but, a start. Y'all come back to see us now you hear.
Cletus
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Well that looks like a fine start to me Cletus, and that face mill did a decent job too!!
Prof. Leroy
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Looks good from here dog!.....
Dave
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look out the dog is on a roll......good start buddy!
:popcorn:
don
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Thanks for stopping by guys. It did feel great getting back to that side of the shop. I went back to the shop last night,cleaned the dust from the RT, a suitable angle plate was located for attaching the table to the RT, and a plan was mentally prepared for cutting the angle adjusting slot In the table. This is getting fun all over again :DrinkPint: :LittleDevil:.
Cletus
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Hey Eric
I'm a little slow getting a response sent but I am checking in and looking forward to watching you work!
Looking good so far :ThumbsUp:
Dave
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I'll take a picture of Oliver's table to give you a frame of reference. :Lol:
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I am glad to see y'all actually machining something.
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I need Zee to add the colorful commentary to this, but , CRAP, DOUBLE CRAP, and Aw CRAP. I forgot I have to attend my god sons graduation this weekend in Va. Lou just informed me we are leaving tomorrow and to have the RV packed, stocked with food, and ready for departure by noon tomorrow. I should have known not to marry an old train masters daughter. All aboard :lolb: :lolb: I was just getting in the zone :lolb: :mischief:. Aw well I'll let the table stretch and relax this weekend :cheers:
Cletus
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Have a safe trip my brother and don't worry the dust will still be waiting for you when you get back. Don't forget dog now. :stickpoke:
Don 8)
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We'll see you on the flip side Cletus, Have a good trip.
Bill
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Bummer
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Zee, no poop. Now I gotta spend all weekend thinking about the RT setup :Jester:. My God son has had a hard way to go: Had a prenatal stroke resulting in the loss of the use of his right arm and leg, his father passed away at age ten, and then his favorite and closest uncle committed suicide. Two weeks before his father passed from an anurism, he asked that I be in charge of the boys estate and well being should something happen to him, little did we know :Doh: Aw sh $t that's enough. Vern, give me some tool gloat, I'm starting to have a sensitive moment :lolb:
Cletus
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Your Godson has certainly done it (and is doing it) tough but I can't think of a better person to have on his side.
Family is much more important than cast iron (and the hugs are better too).
Jim
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Well, after graduation festivities, and one quiet restful evening with a nice grilled steak and a glass of exceptional wine; after several hundred miles, I jumped in the shed again, you know, a stress reliever :mischief: :naughty:.. I hope these pics turn out half a$$ed decent, took them with the old cell phone. I centered up the RT using a coaxial of some far Asian decent, found centers on the table, and bolted it to the largest angle plate I own. Aligned and centered the table, did the little Y axis offset for the radius, and then milled in 3 steps: First to make sure it was right at about .005 depth of cut, second, about a .050" cut, and final, a full thru slot. I then took a 45 degree bevel cutter and broke the edges on the nut side. I actually did this first with a .250 2 FLUTE CENTER CUTTING END MILL and the again with a .375 2 FLUTE CENTER CUTTING END MIIL. ( Whew, I said it Vern ;)) Well, by jiggy, the slotted arc turned out just ducky. Table, finished. I was on such a roll, I set the base up. After a little squaring, a little figuring, a little drilling, I am now at the point to bore for the crank or drive shaft. The prints say use a 1.25 x .625 steel bushing. However, it calls for mild steel on both bushing and shaft in the specs. I'd rather run bronze, but, .750" is as large as I have. I have brass in 1.250" and 12L14. So, what do y'all suggest at this, my stopping point for the evening? Y'all tell everybody I said hey and here's the pics.
Cletus
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Nice work there Cletus!! How about a two piece bushing, the larger diameter of 12L14 then insert the bronze in that. Even if the bronze isn't oversize it should clean up to an OD of .750" and with a bore of .625" that still leaves a wall thickness of 1/16". Just a thought. The better option would be to break out that AMEX card and order the bronze in the larger size :)
Bill
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I agree with Bill on this Dog. And that slot is just to sweet you sure are on a roll my brother. You get a :praise2: from me. Jam good job Dog............... :ThumbsUp:
:DrinkPint:
Don
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Yup me thinks that you need to order up a nice selection of 660 bronze; then you won't find your self in this predicament again!
So tell me why the hole didn't end up closer to the center of the boss? Is that just the way the castings are?
Nice work on the filer buddy.
Dave
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That is one nice curve! Can't best those CENTER CUTTING END MILLS
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That's a very happy smile on that table! Nice parts, Eric.
Simon
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Still looking good from my door dog!...
Dave
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Ok, kinda got back in the shop for a couple of hours this afternoon. I figured out why the crank bushing is 1.25" in diameter with only a .625 shaft; the crank disc and the drive pulley ride against the bushing. The bushing is adjustable in the column, which, I guess you could say, makes it a thrust bearing. Dave O. , yeah that's the way the casting worked out; when I post today's pics, I can show you better than tell you. Bill, I am going to use 12L14 for the bushing and drill rod for the shaft for now; when somebody runs the right sale, I will spring for some 660, need some 1" hex stainless also. Thanks for looking. Yeah I know, pics tomorrow :hammerbash:
Cletus
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Cletus
I have bronze bushings. Tell me the size you need.
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That may suffice for a while Cletus if you keep things well oiled, but the bronze would sure be better. Just sayin...
Leroy
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Thanks Dave, they are 1.25"od x .625" id x 2.375", but, don't worry about it, I just got a 20 percent off and free shipping offer from Enco, may be time two buy a foot or two of this and that :LittleDevil: Bill, I'm going to try it for now. The bushing is a slip fit, secured by a grub screw, won't be hard to replace once I see if everything runs smooth.
Cletus
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Your like my wife Dog just can't resist a sale huh. :lolb: :
Don
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Sounds like a plan then Cletus :) The Enco offer sounds good too to end your worries in any case.
Bill
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But Don, it's Enco!!!! :lolb:
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How are all y'all doing? DOG and I had a great day in the shop today, hot outside and cool in :ThumbsUp:. We did some laying out, some boring, some turning, some pressing, some milling, some drilling, some tapping, and some slot cutting. I am tickled to say, no tools were harmed and we wound up with only a couple of "test pieces" 8). I've pretty much completed the base, the crank is finished, the crank bushing is complete, and I've started on the scotch yoke. I did decide to start with 12L14 for the bushing and W1 rod for the shaft, if it gets enough use to justify bronze, I'll remake the bushing. I took y'all some pics and I'll just let you browse though them. Bill and Stan, notice the not one, but, two 1/2" mic shots and I finally was able to use the lathe chuck spiders and an adjustable parallel for it's intended use. Damn fine day. Tell everybody I said hey and y'all come back to see us now ya hear.
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Cletus
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DOG is doing some fine work there. Looking excellent and should be filing soon.
Nice spider. Shop made and home anodized?
Hope that Griz vise works better than the Griz surface grinder. :lolb:
Cousin Vern
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You're closing in on this one fast there Cletus. Hmmmmmmmmm.....how long you been hiding the mini-mic?? :naughty:
Prof. Leroy
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Hmmmmmmmmm.....how long you been hiding the mini-mic?? :naughty:
Prof. Leroy
Makes you think what else he"s hiding from us Bill. Dog that,s shaping up great and I too like that spider.
On
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What are the odds that he'll ever come back and remake that bushing out of bronze??? Heheh, I'll hold your money till that get's done.
Nice work, you devil! :facepalm:
Yeah, that homemade spider is a beaut.
Mosey (Skeptic)in the mountains of New Jersey
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That chuck stop looks like one of those super expensive Royals...
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=240-2994&PMPXNO=4839667&PARTPG=INLMK3
I guess the barbecue business has been very, very good to you.
In the third picture down I would surely want a jack under the outboard end of the part you're drilling.
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Marv
Not to hijack this thread (just at ANY opportunity to do so) but, do I remember an adjustable height spider that you did?
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Marv
Not to hijack this thread (just at ANY opportunity to do so) but, do I remember an adjustable height spider that you did?
Yes, I made one that consists of a plate the diameter of the chuck body with cutouts to fit the jaws. Sets of spacers of various heights lock into it to set its location relative to the chuck body.
At the time I made it, I wanted a full plate support behind the work I was doing which the Royal style do not supply. Not knocking Royal, understand. I was simply working from a different design viewpoint.
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Thanks, Marv
We now return you to Redneck machining
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Please let me know when you get to pulleys (flat ones, v-belt ones, etc. ) and motor belt connections, so I can finish my filer.
Mosey
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Thanks for stopping in guys. Bill, I bought the mic at CF before last. It had a hole drilled in the frame and I did some backwoods negotiating to get it for $25. Don, you never let a man see what your holding :lolb:. Yes Marv, the spiders are Royal. I bought them when Enco had one of those combine this coupon with that code and free shipping sales, and yes, the mighty hog has been very, very, very, kind to me. I did put a jack under that end when I drilled and bored the holes, actually I saw how bad it needed one when I took the picture, so, it was done after the picture was taken. Mosey "Earl the Pearl", you are probably right, I doubt ever changing the bushing. If it was something that saw a lot of use, then I would. There are several places that I would bronze bush and several parts that I would harden and grind if it was to be a "use everyday" machine. Now, I am happy to report that DOG and I had another nice day in the cave. Since my last pics were so crappy and most everything I did today was basic turning, drilling and tapping, I didn't take any. I am also happy to report that everything goes round and round and up and down, actually, pretty damn smooth for "The Close Enuff Machine Shop" Springbucket Tn. Operations. OK, the last part to be finished involves Mosey's last question. I am leaning towards mounting it up with the Quarter Horse and being able to use it or display it at shows. Now, I've got to buy a drive pulley casting for the engine, the filer drive pulley is a 3" diameter, so, how big do I need for the engine. I don't recall ever using a die filer and I really don't know how many RPM's or SPM it should require. Stan, the little vice ain't bad, little jaw lift, it'll do til a 4" Kurt falls in the shop :lolb: Now it's y'alls' turn. Tell everybody I said "how they doing"
Cletus
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Sorry but I can't see the pictures in your previous post - weird since nobody else complained ....
I wasn't able to use the "Show unread posts since last visit." today either, so it might just be my computer that has a bad day .... :stickpoke:
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Cletus
Not a damn thing wrong with the pictures.
If it helps, I ran down to the shop to check on Oliver.
He has a ¼ horse motor @ 1775 RPM. Motor pulley is 1.75" O.D. and the mechanism pulley is 8"O.D.
Vern
Close 'Enuf Machine Shop
Wyndmoor Division
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If you use the flat 3-1/2" machine pulley as per the kit, then what do you use for a motor pulley? diameter?
Or do you use the 3-1/2"on the motor and put a big one on the filer shaft?
I'm confused here.
Mosey
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I appears, based on motor rpm and pulley ratio, that Oliver is making 388 stokes per minute (give or take.)
Not sure what other filers do but, I know that Oliver is to factory spec.
What is suggested in the casting kit instructions ?
It seems as if the supplied pulley would run the filer way too fast unless one had a 20" pulley at the other end.
Has anyone asked Gary Martin?
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That's the reason I put the question out to those engineerical types. No hint in the print package. Vern, are you on it? :LittleDevil: I kinda think I might build my brother in law, Mike, one for Christmas.
Cletus
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I'm on way too many things, including decoding the threading diagram for my 1915 Singer Model 66 sewing machine and, by the way, I have a working die filer. A call to Gary should answer all.
Or, check out Marv's program which calculates pulley ratios and has variables for belt friction, teeth per inch of the file, material to be filed, relative humidity, t-shirt color of the operator and phase of the moon during filing. (Windoze only but will run on a Mac with Bootcamp and a secret password)
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I just put a tach on my Keller and it is running 440 rpm; so would that be 440 spm or 880 spm?
Dave
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A little digging turns up the idea that die filers should run slowly. Couple of hundred RPM's, that seems to correspond to the speeds reported here. Figure it out from there. Gary, are you listening?
Mosey
I spoke to Gary and here is what he said;
"The proper speed for the die filer varies with the type of material being filed and the size and coarseness of the file. I am recommending that you put a speed controller on you machine so you can dial the RPMs up or down.
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Thanks guys, that gives me an idea of my target speed. Now, I guess the first thing I should do is see how many revs the engine is turning.
Cletus
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Haven't got a clue what was wrong yesterday - I see the pictures now and they (and the project) looks good.
It looks like a nice tool to have, though I must admit to never have seen one in RL.
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If Cletus powers his with the ¼ horse PMR, I fear that Mosey is plotting a PTO from a motorcycle.
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Well Vern, looks like Earl the Pearl is on it like a duck on a June bug. So, this ain't no big deal. Here's what I'm thinking. Back in the day, when I had my old service station, I had a couple of jacks with foot operated air valves. Now Vern, think about your sewing machine, ain't never seen one you couldn't speed up or down, and all with the foot. An air valve like that would allow us to throttle our engines to our level of need and comfort. However, I'm thinking about building one of these for my brother in law's clock shop as a Christmas present and since he hasn't a model engine I was thinking about a variable speed electric motor. BTW Earl, if I do replace that bush wit bronze are you gonna buy me one of those 1/2 of a cow steaks you were eating in York? :lolb: :naughty:. I've also been toying around wit the idea of a pretty good size line shaft setup today: could run my Levin lathe and maybe (if available ) some more tools the size of the filer. Now I gotta buy me a tachometer and check the Quarter Horse out. Tell everybody hey.
Cletus
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The second one is easier, but boring.
The foot op air valve sounds like a great solution. I'm on it.
Steaks on me if you ever come back to CF :ROFL:
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Ok Dog for the brother in law you can use this combination drive and motor dirt cheap. http://dealerselectric.com/item.asp?cID=2&scID=50&PID=24067 And it will give you variable frequency speed control, now how cool is that.. :stickpoke:
Now we need to start seeing some photos pretty soon before I get the DT'S. :lolb:
:popcorn:
Don
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Levin lathe? Levin lathe!
Geez, pork bellies must be made of gold down there! Did you get approval from the Islands in the North Sea for that thang?
Let's get this thing in perspective guys, all we need is a big pulley on the machine and one of Don's VFD's and we're finished.
That's the way I'm going.
That was only a 1/4 cow steak anyhow.
Mosey :shrug: :lolb: :wine1:
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Just popping in to remind Cletus not to forget the zeep-squeeze. :naughty:
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How you boys carry on. Entertaining though, with the right dictionary. But Cletus/ Dog/Redneck/Eric, you're doing a fine job, and I've been watching. The lack of comment is entirely due to the lack of suitable vocabulary. And I refuse to break into strine. Keep it up, y'all! Hugh.
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Thanks for the comment Hugh, glad to know you are watching and somewhat enjoying. I try not to be too serious in my hobbies and several on the forum are nice enough to join in and have a laugh at my expense :lolb:. I do try to make good parts and feel lucky to have found a hobby I enjoy, have a group of like minded people to enjoy it with, and if I'm real lucky, have other people enjoy the byproducts of my hobby. :wine1: BTW you can call me about anything :lolb: Y'all come back to see us now you hear.
Cletus
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Laughing with you Sunshine. Hugh.
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Thanks for the comment Hugh, glad to know you are watching and somewhat enjoying. I try not to be too serious in my hobbies and several on the forum are nice enough to join in and have a laugh at my expense :lolb:. I do try to make good parts and feel lucky to have found a hobby I enjoy, have a group of like minded people to enjoy it with, and if I'm real lucky, have other people enjoy the byproducts of my hobby. :wine1: BTW you can call me about anything :lolb: Y'all come back to see us now you hear.
Cletus
Oh Geeez....now I gotta go back and figure out what kinda trouble your up to..... 8)
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Dave, I've been a very, very, good boy, ain't spouted my mouth off bout anything :mischief:. Zee, I have been starting with the zeep-squeeze and adding some Cletus tickle; can only do it on Saturday night so I can sleep late on Sunday :lolb: :lolb:. Now, back to business.
BREAKING NEWS
THERE IS AN OPERATING DIE FILER AT THE CLOSE ENUF MACHINE SHOP, SPRINGBUCKET DIVISION
FILM AT ELEVEN
:cheers: :wine1: :DrinkPint: :cheers: :wine1: :DrinkPint:
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BREAKING NEWS
THERE IS AN OPERATING DIE FILER AT THE CLOSE ENUF MACHINE SHOP, SPRINGBUCKET DIVISION
FILM AT ELEVEN
:cheers: :wine1: :DrinkPint: :cheers: :wine1: :DrinkPint:
:pics:
Come on Dog you going to make us wait, I'm getting the DT'S here. :lolb:
Don
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Yeah Cletus, that' s past my bedtime anyway :lolb:
Leroy
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Bitch, bitch, bitch :lolb: :lolb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anJowyNQcO0
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Lots of ups and downs in this film Eric, but I sat through till the end. Nice work, paint next? Cheers, Hugh.
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About time and your going to enjoy using it, that is once you finish painting and mounting. Nice work my brother.
Don
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Where's the martini shaker attachment?
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I'm on it like a duck on a June bug , Marv.
Cletus
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Gary Hart made a gizmo for his that would hold a rattle can for shaking; but I do agree the martini shaker may be more useful.
Nice work Eric!
Dave
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Fantastic Eric. I stayed up late just to see it...well actually my flight was late getting back. Nice work!!!
Bill
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Thanks guys. Bill, I don't get it, two of the most common flights in the South are, Nashville to Charlotte and Nashville to Atlanta, and I'll be Stans' uncle if nine out of ten times they are late :shrug:. Now, what do y'all recon is about the right SPM for a good martini? :lolb:
Cletus
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It goes up and down! That's pretty cool Eric, thanks for posting the video.
Are you going to make it powered on it's own? Or will you use it attached to your lathe all the time?
Kim
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Damn! It actually works so well it filed the back panel off the lathe.
Nicely done Cletus!!!!! No more hand fettling for you.
:ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:
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Looks great buddy! Need to get mine done!!!!!
Dave
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Thanks guys. So what color are y'all thinking?
Cletus
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Cletus,
That might be an ideal item to try powder coating on except for the table and moving surfaces. Basic black or gray is always good. I know you have room in that shed for a powder coating station :)
Bill
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I have the deluxe model powder coating station. HF gun, cardboard box, big Walmart countertop oven and Columbia Coatings powder. Sweet!
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Now y'all are just trying to get me to generate more Amex Reward Points :lolb:. Have been looking at the Eastwood powder coating setups, maybe. Kim, I will power it from a different source, just haven't really figured out how I want to set it up yet. If I power it from my quarter horse, it's going to have a pretty good size "footprint ". I'm scratching my bald head over it for a while longer. I'm kinda leaning towards a very glossy black, with all the machined parts polished natural (watch for the UPS man Don :lolb: :lolb:) . Y'all come back now you hear.
Cletus
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Oh yeah, I remember you talking about powering it from your quarter horse. You can fire up the boiler every time you use your die filer! :LittleDevil: Or more likely, switch on the compressor.
That sounds like fun! Having one of your engines work for a living! :)
Kim
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Well Cletus, as long as you use those reward points to take Lou out to dinner, it should be a win-win situation :wine1:
Bill
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Ahhh! Just do it Dog! :stir: You know Amazon uses your reward points for purchases. I've done used up all mine for now anyway. :stickpoke:
:popcorn:
Don
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Same color as the Doge Charger R/T silly! Run-For-IT-Orange!
Nice work Cletus, now finish the dang thing. Pinstripe it.
Mosey in the pines.
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Funny you mentioned that Mosey, I was thinking about Plymouth Plum Crazy from the day.
Cletus
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Harvard colors, huh?
Hehehe :lolb:
Mosey
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After 2 years on the rowing and rugby team at Yale, I'm highly distraught over your comment :lolb: :lolb: :lolb:. There wasn't a third year, they decided their idea of "STROKE" and "LOW CONTACT" and mine wasn't the same :mischief: :naughty: :lolb:.. Actually, there was a guy from St.Antonies on da team, he lifted two boats and all the gear, think he sold 'em to one of his cousin's buddies; Vinny maybe :thinking:: was a great spring break :lolb:.
Your detected,infected, inspected,and rejected, buddy,
Cletus
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This thing is still living. So, yo, Mosey, bone in ribeye, 1.5" thick, medium plus :lolb: :lolb:
http://rs1310.pbsrc.com/albums/s658/tennesseewhiskey1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/430E1639-8FC7-4BC7-9F32-902472BE87D8_zpskm1fiimc.jpg~320x480
More to come folks 8)
Cletus
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Dude you are supposed to buy your 660 from Enco on sale? That MSC sticker cost you some precious beer money. :lolb:
I do by from MSC but only when I have to; Most times on small items that I'm usually in a hurry for anyway they upgrade to overnight delivery at no extra cost.
Dave
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Ok Dog, were are waiting for some photos here, so what's up!
Don
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Dave "Sweet Nuts Otto" they gave me a welcome to shopping with MSC coupon worth 35% off and free shipping. I have found MSC doesn't do discounts like their sister company, Enco. Anyhoo, I saved some change and now Mosey has to eat some crow :lolb: :lolb: Don, I got some big ole pictures coming, hang on :naughty:
Cletus
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Cletus,
Darn good work on the filer. You'll appreciate it when you use it. Even if it isn't blinged up :cheers:
Cheers,
Phil
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I think you will be pleased with the bronze Cletus. For making the bushings I presume?
Bill
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I found a bushing with 0.625" ID and 1.25" OD with a vibration-dampening layer for about $12:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#6364k33/=y3e145 (http://www.mcmaster.com/#6364k33/=y3e145)
A 3" length of oil-filled 841 bronze is about $30:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#8932k47/=y3e355 (http://www.mcmaster.com/#8932k47/=y3e355)
3" of 932 (SAE660) bearing bronze is $25:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#8914k8/=y3eazj (http://www.mcmaster.com/#8914k8/=y3eazj)
6" of 544 bearing bronze is about $36:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#8971k77/=y3e58o (http://www.mcmaster.com/#8971k77/=y3e58o)
Perhaps a linear ball bearing could be used, about $26:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#60595k74/=y3e8kn (http://www.mcmaster.com/#60595k74/=y3e8kn)
Not knowing a great deal about bronze, I found the following comparison chart which seems pretty good:
http://www.advancebronze.com/alloy-charts.php (http://www.advancebronze.com/alloy-charts.php)
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If I wasn't up to my ears with work already I'd be making one of those. The amount of filing that I do on a project would sure make it handy.
Great work by the way.
gbritnell
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George
Or, a used Oliver. They appear to be fairly easy to find at used machinery dealers. I love my Oliver.
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Dave "Sweet Nuts Otto" they gave me a welcome to shopping with MSC coupon worth 35% off and free shipping. I have found MSC doesn't do discounts like their sister company, Enco. Anyhoo, I saved some change and now Mosey has to eat some crow :lolb: :lolb: Don, I got some big ole pictures coming, hang on :naughty:
Cletus
was going to send a piece of bronze to you. guess you are all set now.
Mosey
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Question for Cletus: Did the filer come with files, or are you going to have to make your own? I understand they're hard to find nowadays.
Chuck
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Chuck
Both Oliver and Victornet have them. IIRC, Gary Martin also.
For rounds, chainsaw files work in the correct direction. I've also cut the tang off regular files and ground a flat at the opposite end for Oliver's clamp.
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Thanks, Stan. This thread has me itching to build a filer.
Chuck
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Mosey, yeah and I'm going to pay you back that $20 I owe you :lolb: :lolb: you are just trying to get out of buying the steak :lolb: Chuck, I did buy some files from Gary when I bought the casting kit at Cabin Fever. See y'all
Cletus
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Surprise, surprise, y'all just thought I was grinding to a halt :lolb: :lolb:. Well here is a couple of updated pics of the die filer. It has really turned out nice and turns super smooth. I still have to make the brass guard and a little painting along with a base. I ground the table and that turned out really nice. In fact, it turned out so nice that I have decided to give this one to my brother-in-law for Christmas, might not get that lucky the second time :facepalm2:. Don, I can't get the link to that motor you gave me back earlier in the thread to open, can you give me some more ideas. Now, Mosey, yo, Mosey; be sure and check out the bushing :lolb: :lolb: medium on the steak there old buddy will be fine :lolb: :lolb:. Thanks for looking in.
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Cletus
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You say the table looks good. No pictures????
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But the worm's eye view looks pretty nice!
Dave
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She sure is pretty, but could you give us a picture of the table since you did such a fine job on it. You done good my brother and a fine job of it. I really don't know which link you are referring to. Do you want a VFD with it or just a single phase motor. This link to single phase .25 HP should be big enough. http://dealerselectric.com/GA301.asp
Now if your going to give it to brother in law you might consider this http://dealerselectric.com/item.asp?cID=2&scID=50&PID=24067
Big Dog
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Most excellent result Cletus, but yeah...we need to see that nice ground table. I am glad you went for the bronze bushing too, now you won't wave to worry about it. You can be right proud of it and your brother in law should be thrilled too!!
Bill
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Boy, y'all just don't let up on the old cowboy do you? :lolb: :lolb:. I thought I took one showing the table top, but, nooooo. I'll get one in the morning before anyone on this side of the pond has coffee and in time for brunch for the rest of the folks. I had two beautiful granddaughters that wanted watermelon and homemade banana ice cream. Now who could say no to that? Bill, I took a little extra time on the bronze bushing when I made it. It's been drilled, bored, reamed, and lapped to a tight. 001" clearance on the shaft. Since I have added the oil port and added a little light machine oil, it spins very smoothly. Don, I'm thinking something more on the line of a motor used for a watchmaker's lathe or something along those lines :shrug:. It ain't that big of a fellow :Jester:. See y'all at he diner 8)
Cletus
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I am assuming you want a motor for your watch makers lathe. This is the motor I used on my lathe, but I also have a speed control on mine. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dayton-Universal-AC-DC-Open-Motor-1-15-hp-5000-RPM-115V-Rotation-CCW-Model-2M033-/150990379174?hash=item2327ba58a6 The motor is universal meaning it can run on AC or DC. There are others on eBay which run faster.
Don
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Elvis,
You did a very fine job ob this, hat's off to you.
We know the real reason you haven't paid me the $20.00 you owe is because I don't take those Conferderate "New Dollars". Real, legal US tender would be jes fine.
I'm happy for you, Bud.
Your pal,
Mosey up here in New Jersey
I still want to see the motor mount and the table top. My table top is just as it comes from the mill with honest tool marks on it. I might be inspired to finish it this Fall when it's too windy to fly.
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Don, did you notice something about the motor? It says AC/DC, then goes on to say that the motor will not run on DC. Handy little motor all the same. Had one similar (230V) on my little Super Adept Lathe, until I got a 180W one.
Ian S C
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Well, it was raining this morning and DOG and I slept in. Here are the pics of the table top as promised, and no Vern, those aren't magnets, I think you can read what they are even in my crappy photos. Gotta work on that :old:. The table did get a light lapping on some 800 W&D with some WD :lolb:. No Don, actually I meant about that size motor for the die filer. I looked this morning at the Sherline motors that come with speed controller and pulley. That's kind of in the size I'm looking for. Sherline has it for $230, little pricey, but, it's a Christmas prize ;) Y'all come back now ya hear :cheers:
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Cletus
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Very slick Cletus, almost too Purdy to use :). So if you and DOG slept in this morning, who is cooking the BBQ??
Leroy
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Cletus
That is one beautiful filer table! Damn, now I might have to take a 2d look at the small Harig at my used machinery dealer.
Yes, I'm impressed with the wrung Jo blocks.
Well done.
Vern
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Big E, That is pretty dear for the Sherline motor and controller, but mine (both of them) have functioned flawlessly for going onto 17 years. Only thing I ever had to do was replace the on/off toggle switch on one of them. Plenty of power too for that die filer.
B
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Bill, Sunday and Monday are maintenance days, fire starts on Tuesday night through Saturday noon :facepalm:. I was kinda hoping for something about like the Sherline motor without the "name brand" price. Vern, thanks. Just think about two mating surfaces on an engine that flat, perfect seal every time. With a decent spin fixture , grinding valves, and making odd size gage pins would be doable. I'm sure Fred would help you move it in :stir:. Y'all come back to see us. :cheers:
Cletus
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Have you thought about something like a treadmill motor. If you watch closely you may even find one on the side of the road :)
Bill
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Looks sweeeet dog!!!
8)
Dave
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Dam Dog! That's shiner then my mirror at home. Just another Red Neck special ops....... :lolb:
Nice job my brother.
Big Dog
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As for ground surfaces on engines sealing, I found that I still got leaks on the Joy engine. These were fairly large parts, so smaller ones might seal better. I'll be interested in your results.
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KVOM, I had wondered about that, actually, I was just trying to egg Vern on all I could :stir: :stir:. On the engine I built for the Cyclone I did have the heads and exhaust manifolds surfaced and the were bolted up with no gaskets and sealed fine. However, I think that has a lot to do with different expansion rates. :shrug:
Cletus
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Are those gage blocks wrung on that plate? Just noticed that they are gage blocks!
Dave
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Yup, I was rite tickled.
Cletus
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Awesome!!!!
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You'll be making gauge blocks next. Nice going. Hugh.