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General Category => Oddball => Topic started by: Don1966 on January 08, 2020, 12:44:56 AM
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a friend gave me this old wood turning lathe. It belonged to his dad who was one of my best friends. He died years ago and he wanted me to have it. I gave his dad the chisels for it over 55 years ago and they are still in great shape. As i progress with the restore i will document it if any are interested.
don
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Count me in!
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I'm ready!
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I am another looking forward to following along,
MJM460
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Count me in Don! :popcornsmall:
Jim
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Sounds like a pretty interesting project, Don! :popcorn:
Kim
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I will be following your project Don.
John
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Looks interesting :) Do you know how old it is? Is the drive motor underneath the headstock?
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You know how I feel about lathes..... 8)
Following along......
Dave
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Looks interesting :) Do you know how old it is? Is the drive motor underneath the headstock?
Yes the motor is underneath Roger! I was told 100 years old but I am try to fine information on it
Don
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That looks like a fairly heavy machine. That will be handy with wood that takes some trimming to get a round section. I have seen light wood lathes start dancing.
Dan
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I'm interested too. :popcorn: Terry
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Look forward to following the resto! :ThumbsUp:
Looks like the large pull E on the spindle needs some love. If you buy a new one, make sure it's a pull E and not a pull F. :Lol:
Sorry for first bad pun of the resto..... :embarassed:
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Started on the tail stock to see how bad things were. It was frozen but after some playing it freed up. The center is a live center and has a bearing. The handwheel was remade and from the photo you can see the rmains of the orginal one in front of it. I tried to remove the live center it seems to be a MT taper, but it is stuck pretty well and i will probable need some heat to loosen it up. The locking clamp screw was also modified and i will probalby make a new one plus a new hand wheel for the tailstock quil. I will continue to disassemble the lathe and will get the bed blasted by a friend. The motor that you see i am thinking of replacing with a three phase and a VFD drive. Thanks for the followers and i would like your input on this as i progress as well.
Don
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Can you get behind the center from the back of the spindle?
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Or drill a hole from the handle end so you can knock it out. We did that with an old Drummond lathe.
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Don
Can you get your hands on some drill chuck wedges?....much like these
A pair of these and a stout tool makers vise, and perhaps some heat and it should move....though I does look like it's had the snot beat out of it.
Dave
https://www.mcmaster.com/29225a36
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Don,
Usually they have a slot in the spindle for putting a Morris taper drift and tap it with a hammer and it pops out. I inherited a Walker Turner column drill press from my dad, good quality machine. Good luck with your rebuild, it does look a bit abused & can use some TLC.
Art
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Got to remove to live center with a little heat and a rod and hammer. The head stock needed heat also to remove the assorted parts plus a little hammer help. By looking at the main shaft you ccan see it has had some abuse and will take some patience to clear the marks off with gently filing. Also a photo of the head stock after removing the spindle. Both centers are MT3 tapers. I have to make the bearing cap in the second photo one was missing.
Don
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:ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Progress! Nicely done.
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I will continue to disassemble the lathe and will get the bed blasted by a friend.
Hopefully not the working surfaces ... ?
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I will continue to disassemble the lathe and will get the bed blasted by a friend.
Hopefully not the working surfaces ... ?
They will be taped off after buffing off the rust!
Don
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Its coming along Don! For the greasy crud, simple green mixed half and half with hot water...will take everything off. Paint included.
Dave
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I will continue to disassemble the lathe and will get the bed blasted by a friend.
Hopefully not the working surfaces ... ?
They will be taped off after buffing off the rust!
Don
Whew!
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Thanks Dave, I did find some information on this type lathe the company was started between 1927 to 1929 by Ernest T Walker. It was built in New Jersey until 1931 in which they moved to Plainfield. They were purchase by Kearney and Trecker a machine tool co. In 1948 and operated under that name until sold to Rockwell in 1956. They Walker Turner lived on till the 1960S. So that would put the lathes age at 60 to 72 years of age.
Don
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You are doing what I've been doing most of my life: Making old tools good again. That's one of the most rewarding things I've done.
It's very good to see more tools receiving deferred maintenence.
:Love:
Pete
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That's good that you got the tapers out without damage :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :wine1:
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Thanks guys for following. I don't have much to report but i did get the tailstock bead blasted alone with the tool rest. I chucked the live center up in the lathe to clean it up it had been abused. The shafts i filed with needle files to remove the dents and scratch bumps on the shafts. I will buff them to a shine on the buffing wheel no sand paper. Below are photos of the parts to each shaft the tailstock Quil and main shaft along with the centers and MT2 centers. I had orginally thought they were MT3. I showed a photo of the hand wheel i ordered for $10. I have the bearings one is a 6205ZZ and the other is a 55505 double roller bearing.
Don
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You are making good progress, Don. It is coming up nicely.
That handwheel looks like it might have an alternative application as a flywheel!
MJM460
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Those parts are starting to look like brand new.
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Today i primed the parts from yesterday and finished the headstock blasting and priming. I finish disassembling the lathe. The wood platform it sits on will be sanded and coat with Polyurethane. The motor I will replace with a three phase with VFD. I did find the step pulley on Ebay and bidding on it and I will find out friday if I get it or not. Now need to get the bed to get it blasted along with the legs. I also ordered locking casters for the lathe to be able to move it around.
Don
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Thats moving along fast!. What kinda paint are you using?
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Hi Dave so far this is just primer. I haven't decided on the color yet i will be checking different colors to see which looks best. I have attached the bed platform it had cracks in it i need to glue before i start sanding it,
Don
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Wow, huge difference! :popcorn:
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i received all my parts ordered. New motor, speed drive, caster, tailstock wheel and V belt. The headstrock, tailstock and assorted parts have been painted final color. The motor mount assembly has been blasted and primed. I passed a MT2 reamer in the main shaft and Quill to remove high spots if any. I passed the shafts on the buffer to shine them and as you can see there are marks on them from abuse but all high spots carefully removed with needle file. I buffered the lathe bed to remove the rust and it is now ready to go to the blaster to remove paint and rust. That will be next week before it happens.
Don
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Making good headway Don. :ThumbsUp: It's nice to see this machine coming back to life. :)
Jim
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Thanks Jim, not much to show just the platform sanded and polyurethaned with three coats. The platform still has some character marks in it to show its age.
Don
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Don, in photo # 25 (reply # 30) above - it looks like you painted over the ball oilers. Maybe just the lighting ... ?
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Hi Andy your are correct they will be cleaned but not used. The bearings are double shield. Today I managed to assemble the tail stock and completer the tool rest. The headstock I ran into a problem. It seems the bearing are not direct replacement. The bearings were made to order i was told. The old bearing inside diameters are 25.2MM while the new bearing are 25MM. To tight a fit and I need to think about this hard because trying to chuck the shaft in the lathe and remove .2 MM is going to be a chore. Alignment of the shaft to take .2 MM of and keep it true to the MT2 taper will take some doing. I can chuck the front in a four jaw independent chuck but the tailstock end is the problem. I have a self centering live chuck but don't know how true it will run. Tomorrow I will check to see if I can put a four independent adjustment chuck to the live center if it doesn't run true at least that's my plan. The motor mounting assembly was painted. I did a trial run on one of the chisel on the buffer and it cleans up great photo below.
Don
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Amazing how much better those parts look!
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the spindle bearings how does the out side dia fit the housing they weren't original imperial 1" inside and 2" out side diameter were they. Progress looks great.
John
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Hi John, the bearings fit perfect in the housing but not the shaft. Measuring the inside race shows .2MM difference on the inside race. The shaft is a 25.4MM shaft. Giving .4MM smaller then the bearing inside race. The bearings I bought would fit a Rockwell wood lathe who bought Walker Turner. These were the only bearings I could find because the original ones didn’t cross and the book said made to order so go fig.
Don
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Great thread Don. Just getting caught up with your progress to date. Bummer as to the bearings though, hope you can sort that out.
Bill
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Don...are you using a telescopics to gauge the bore, then crossing over to a micrometer to confirm the dimension?.......Derek
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Hi Derek, no using calipers but it’s very obvious the difference when I put the calipers on it. .2MM is almost .008 of a inch quiet a lot. Haven’t decided what I am going to do about it I will keep looking for exact replacement but they we made for that lathe from what a bearing dealer told me. I may have to make another shaft.
Bill thanks for looking in buddy!
Regards Don
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Today the parts are back from the blaster and were primed ready for painting final color. I chuck the shaft in the lathe and dialed it in with and indicator to get it to run true then removed enough material for the new bearings to fit. leaving the shaft a couple of thousands larger then the race inside diameter of the bearing. Now the head stock is complete all but the back end bearing cap needing to be made.
Don
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Looking great Don! Going to be turning chair legs soon.
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Thanks Chris, more progress today the lathe is assembled all but the motor and controls and the rear Bearing cap to make yet. I include a photo of a start on the bearing cap. A photo of the VFD and enclosure and a family shot of the lathe so far, more progress to come yet.
Don
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Looking very nice Don!
Dave
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Looking good Don.
Have you thought about a dance when you're done?
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It looks brand new. Nice work!
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Last week I was over at the local woodworking store, your lathe looks much nicer than the new ones they had. :ThumbsUp: :cheers:
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:ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Sharp looking lathe Don! great work!
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Thanks Guys for looking and commenting. Next is to wire he motor and control. There is a shelf ledge on the legs, originally I received it without shelf but I plan to install one plus a Chisel rack. More to come!
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Don
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More progress on the lathe today. I made the bottom shelf and polyurethaned it and installed to the lathe. I start mounting the controls and decided to install the VFD enclosure on the right underside foot of the lathe since it had more room and the control switch and speed adjust on the left front leg. The cap on that covered the lathe pulley had holes in it and looking at similar lathe showed this was a knob to lift the cap and a latch to secure it, this was installed. I have photos of the bottom shelf and wiring install which is not finished because I still have the tie in to do on both. Also a photo of the whole lathe as is.
Don
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Don, that is looking fantastic! Is that the original wood for the shelf? Looks like figured grain, the color is just right.
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Hi Chris and thanks, no that’s not the original shelf only the platform is original. There wasn’t a shelf when I got the lathe. The color is early american wood stain. I made the shelf from grade A 3/4 plywood.
Don
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Looking great Don! :ThumbsUp:
The edging on the shelf really dresses it up.
What kind of chuck is that? Looks like a wood lathe that really wants to be a metal lathe. :thinking:
Jim
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Hi Jim, thanks for looking. The chuck you see is a 3.75 inch wood chuck I was test fitting on an adapter.
Don
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Looking good Don
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:ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Wired the lathe up today and made the vent cover for the enclosure. The VFD has to breath so it can cool itself. Some more photos for you showing the making of the vent covers and wiring. A final family photo of the complete lathe so far and a photo of the name tags reinstalled.
Don.
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Don, that's just beautiful! Another very handy tool ready for use.
Pete
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Don, that's just beautiful! Another very handy tool ready for use.
Pete
Pete..............looking at the second to last picture, I think it might already of seen some action! :whoohoo:
Jim
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Short shaky video.
Don
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyiQ-HQENEQ
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Working great!
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Looks just like the lathes we had in my 9th grade shop class. :ThumbsUp: I still have the bowl I turned on one.
Jim
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Nice to see it in action! It sounded super smooth when up to speed, but a bit of rattle getting there; I noticed you adjusting a little knob as it was getting up to speed - what does that knob do?
I was curious also about your turning technique - it looked like you were using a gouge, but primarily as a scraper, even after you rounded off the blank - ?? I couldn't tell for sure on the video.
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Hi ANDY, the knob I was adjusting is a speed control. I installed a VFD and a three phase motor on it. And yes I was using a gouge just for the demo.
Don
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Ah - I was thinking that knob was something mechanical. What was the source of the rattling as it was ramping up to speed? Maybe something in the way the motor is mounted?? Again, it was super smooth when it got up to speed, so I would assume it is nothing that would cause problems.
I predict you are going to get a lot of enjoyment out of that lathe - I loved how rigid the tool rest is. (Not just that, but I noticed that in particular, having suffered with a wimpy tool rest for years ...)
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Lathe's looking better than new and working great! Excellent work Don. :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:
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I saw that Don! that looks great! What's your first project with it?
Dave
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That's a good result :praise2: :praise2: :wine1: I haven't done any wood turning since secondary school :old:
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It seem the locking lever on my lathe tailstock snapped so I had to make a new one. In the photo you can see the original lever had broke and was welded together. Process of turning in the lathe from hex stock. Threaded the end with tap die and turned the handle to size. Photos of the new handle next to old still on parent stock and using torch bent to shape. Final fit to tail stock.
Don
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I been working on a chisel rack for the lathe. The photos show how the tools are hidden under the lathe and a handle pulls the rack out at a 10 degree tilt to access the chisels then return to hidden position. The two knobs adjust the tension with compressed springs. Find below a photo of the 10 degree arc on the end plates.
Don
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Hi Don, that’s a neat way of storing the chisels and protecting the edges (and the operator) at the same time.
A great restoration.
MJM460
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Like the refurbished lathe the new toolholde looks fantastic Don :praise2:
.... But the security consious side of me cringe at the sight off blunt and sharp cutting edges pointing diretly at your hands when you reach for another tool or just returning the one you are holding :o .... to me that is just a seroius accident waiting to happen .....
May I suggest that you remake the holder so it's the handles up and the cutting edges down into the holder instead.
Best wishes
Per
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Like the refurbished lathe the new toolholde looks fantastic Don :praise2:
.... But the security consious side of me cringe at the sight off blunt and sharp cutting edges pointing diretly at your hands when you reach for another tool or just returning the one you are holding :o .... to me that is just a seroius accident waiting to happen .....
May I suggest that you remake the holder so it's the handles up and the cutting edges down into the holder instead.
Best wishes
Per
Thanks for the advice but I had thought hard on it when I built it that way. The chisels are two inches apart for that reason. Putting them the oppisite way I wouldn’t know which chisel I was getting. They are high enough that I can grab them by the handle not the blades.
thanks MJM460 for looking and commenting
Don
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Don -
There's something so satisfying about an old machine being restored to pristine condition like this.
gary
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Looking good brothah!
Dave
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Thanks guys it was a very satisfying restore this was one of my best friends lathe....
Don