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B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« on: December 17, 2019, 09:54:37 AM »
This model is based on an original oscillating Steam engine which was displayed under steam by Hick, Hargreave & Co at the Great Exhibition in 1851 where it powered a Ryder forging machine. They claim it was capable of producing 2nhp. It is fairly typical of the type of engines of those days as they were much lighter than the more common beam engines. They found favour in ships as they can, when fitted with valve gear, be run in either direction.



The castings being used to construct this model were originally available from Woking Precision Models. While Woking have long gone the castings are now available from Hemmingway: http://www.hemingwaykits.com/acatalog/Hick___Son_Ocsillation_Engine___G_K_King.html

For our engine I have acquired a set of Orphaned Castings:



But the observant of you may be as suspicious of these castings as I am..

1, That base plate looks to have come off an engine that got as far as being painted  :thinking:

2, The metal the frames are made of are a totally different colour than the other castings. I might go as far as suggesting they may have been cast in someone's backyard.

3, The two pivot castings look original as does the partially machined Flywheel.

4, The set is not complete  :ShakeHead: and originally they should have been made in Cast Iron:



5, I don't have any drawings  :disappointed: But there is a partial set in Model Engineer so I will be working from those and drawing up what is missing.

As you know I like a challenge  :)

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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2020, 03:47:53 PM »
Following on from producing a suitable set of drawings I've been knocking out a couple of bits of the Hick  :)

The original drawing I have shows a crankshaft with slots in it but I am not convinced of the need so I have left them off. The crankshaft bearing pedestals in the original drawing show a very difficult to machine octagonal profile into which the bearings fit - this just strikes me as inventing unnecessary work on both the bearings and on the pedestals and the bearings are going no where as they need a flat at the bottom to clear bearing pedestal so I have bored them 8mm and adjusted the bearing to suit.

I have now started looking into the A frames. Other than the height which is 5mm over the rest of them is just on dimension, which tells me either someone has used an original casting as a pattern or someone took an aluminium casting from the original wooden one and is using that for casting purposes. I can live with or fill most of the A frame to make it usable but the slotted area has to go  :facepalm2: So I have milled a strip and I intend on fitting it once I decide how to start milling the A frame  :thinking:

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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2020, 04:03:05 PM »
Nice looking engine Jo. I really wasn't too taken by oscillating engines until I built the Maudslay but have since come to appreciate the artistic architecture on some of them.
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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2020, 04:04:46 PM »


The original drawing I have shows a crankshaft with slots in it but I am not convinced of the need so I have left them off.

Having a job envisioning what these slots look like or do, could you give a bit more detail. Unless you mean the shaft has reduced diameters where the bearings go to give axial location to the shaft.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2020, 04:09:46 PM »
Thank you George  :)

Some pics for JB: Crank and an example of that octagonal bearing hole. at .4mm deep the slots are not able to do much work.

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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2020, 04:29:04 PM »
Looks an interesting engine.
I'll enjoy this.  :popcorn:
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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2020, 04:46:03 PM »
I see now the "slots" are Keyways. In that case I'd be tempted to reduce the width to 1/16" and cut to the usual 1/32" deep (half width) they will look more in keeping than grub screws. The large 5/16" diameter will give axial location.

Suppose you could always mill the bearing flanges to an octagonal shape and then not tell anyone else ;)

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2020, 05:11:56 PM »
I can't see any keyway showing on the crankweb on the crankshaft of the engine in the original engraving from which this engine was developed.

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2020, 01:34:42 PM »
The A frames have to be held around the centre as the top and bottom ridges are not the same width. Thankfully the casting was not cast at a slant which meant both the top and the bottom could be milled and drilled with ease.

The flutes along the top of the A frames were tatty  :facepalm2: so you will recall I milled some round bottomed slots into a piece of brass and now it was time to mill a slot into the top of the A frame into which it could fit and improve the looks  :) While on its side in the vice it was possible to mill the top of the bottom of the A frame to get the correct height for the main cylinder bearing.

The flutes were soft soldered into the slot and I am pleased to say, with some temporary screws holding things in place, everything actually fits   ::)

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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2020, 01:41:37 PM »
Jo, you are braver than I.  I have always been hesitant to take on a project someone else (unknown) has started.  I have enough trouble working around the known errors I have made, let alone discovering and attempting to work around the errors of others. :-X
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2020, 02:44:55 PM »
 :ThumbsUp:
 Nice work Jo!
 That is going to be a really nice model.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2020, 03:03:53 PM »
The flutes came out great. It wouldn't have occurred to me to do something like that so that was a nice bit of learning.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2020, 04:23:48 PM »
I like the look of cast surfaces...but have to agree the final product look with the milled slots is a big improvement.  You have a good eye, Jo.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2020, 05:01:58 PM »
Thanks Guys  :)

I was hoping to get a bit more done this afternoon but then I realised that for some reason the drawings for the model show a square bearing for the cylinder pivot whereas the one on the original was circular... And of course that lead on to identifying more changes I want to do   :Lol:

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2020, 05:18:47 PM »
NICE :ThumbsUp:    Terry

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2020, 04:18:47 PM »
The cylinder is a tricky casting as both the bore and the pivot must be at exactly 90 degrees to each other. There is two options to machine this: do the pivot faces first or the cylinder bore faces. I chose to do the cylinder bore as the pivot faces are measured from its centre line.

I cleaned up one end of the cylinder and found I could accurately hold it to turn and face the other end and both pivot faces were square to the bore  :) The first end was turned to 25.4mm and faced. This was then used to hold the cylinder to take the other end down to 25.4mm and face it before boring through at 11.1mm. This end is now the top of the cylinder.

Using a mandrel in the bore of the cylinder the cylinder was taken to its correct length. And the inner faces of the ends were carefully hand "shaped" by using a parting off tool in the tool post and pulling the spindle round (the steam ways mean you can only go part way round the cylinder  ;) )

The cylinder now fits in the gap on the base casting  :wine1:

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2020, 03:58:29 PM »
Having marked the centre line between the two cylinder flanges the final two parts could be turned. First up is the simple parallel end turned by holding the part in a four jaw chuck. The casting was centred by using the two jaw slots in the face of the chuck and the marked line on the end of the spigot used to centred on the tailstock (a quick check down the lathe nose confirmed that the other end of the casting was about central as it went round  :) ).

This turned surface was then be used in a 6.35mm collet to hold the casting, with tailstock support, while first the flange then the bearing surface was turned down.

The cylinder now fits even lower in the base than it did before. I really need to make the two remaining bearing blocks  :thinking: but there is still another casting left.

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Re: B Hick & Son 1851 Oscillating Engine
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2020, 06:40:41 PM »
Presumably the pivot bearings will lift the cylinder up enough to allow the bottom to swing freely.  But how is sealing maintained on the valving cross piece, is there a spring in there somewhere?

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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2020, 07:42:00 AM »
Yes there is a spring that provides the seal for the valve plate.

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2020, 04:30:06 PM »
The cylinder covers and gland are a simple turning job. What is more interesting is drilling the cylinder for the covers, the steam ports and the cross drilling down from the cylinder ends. I started with the covers drilling them 2.3mm for 8BA clear. I then drilled the cylinder ends for 8BA tapping so that I could check alignment (these will later be opened out and reverse bolts fitted  ::) ) I also took a little off the inner face to improve the steam flow around the inlet area.

The Steam inlet to the cylinder was cut using a 4.76mm slot drill and then a 2.2mm hole drilled 15mm deep. On turning the cylinder round to cut the oscillating face another two 2.2mm holes were drilled and I was pleased to find they met the original pair of holes  :wine1: However not everything goes right I thought I would be clever and drill the centre pivot hole a little deeper only to find I broke off the drill  :toilet_claw: After a bit of poking around with a needle I decided to try the put the cylinder in some light oil in the ultra sonic cleaner and see what that might do. I am pleased to say the drill end came out  :)

Last bit to show you for today: the piston gland has to be drilled for 10BA studs, three of them (Zee you will recall your question on this ;) ) to prevent drilling into the collet I put a washer under the face while I was drilling and while the washer was damaged the collet was not. I don't think I can put off making those bearing blocks for much longer  :Lol:

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2020, 04:39:22 PM »
Very nice work!
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2020, 05:04:18 PM »
Looking good and a lucky save with the broken drill. Do you think you will need to take a bit off the cylinder OD to get the bolt heads in as some of those holes look quite close?

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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2020, 05:14:17 PM »
Thankyou George  :)

JB: It is always necessary to fit bolts when they go tight against the cylinder, it should require only a flat on the bolt head but in one position the cylinder will need cleaning up with a milling cutter.

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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2020, 05:28:09 PM »
Yes looks like one side of the square headed bolt will need to be filed almost flush with the shank. Are you going to add the fat pot too?

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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2020, 03:22:23 PM »
The outer cylinder pedestal has an interesting shape and as I do not have the casting for this I needed to make it up. I am using a piece of flat bar drilled 8BA clear at the right distance to mount two 6.35mm OD 8BA threaded pieces of steel dowel on to it. Between which I will mount the remains of a piece of slightly wider steel bar, which has been drilled 6.35mm at the right distance to slip over the tops of the two dowels. this is then silver soldered together. And (other than getting the height wrong on the first one  :Doh: ) these are then milled so that one fits inside the other. I am deviating from the drawings here as the original engine seems to have round bearings outsides to the main bearings while the drawing shows square  :headscratch: This means that the top and the bottom of the bearing pedestal have to mount together rather than leaving a square hole for the main bearing. Later they will be bored to suit the bearings.

I am using brass for the main bearings, this is not really an ideal bearing material but this engine will not be run much and the cylinder is bronze so I want a different material for the bearing and they are easy enough to make a second set if I do wear the first set out  ::)

The big bearing measures 16mm outside so I could not use my stock piece of 12.7mm brass flat bar that I have already soft soldered together for this task but had to cut down a piece of 19mm square  :disappointed: The trick with these bearings is to turn the outside first and once mounted inside a collet bore to suit. If you try boring without any outside support the soft solder may allow the two to open up and the result is a useless piece of scrap  :toilet_claw:

The bits are very slowly coming together... I just wish I had more time  :wallbang:

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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2020, 05:54:02 PM »
I managed to make the second bearing block today and to bore the two so the bearings fit  :)

I ran out of time so did not manage to split the bearings so that the larger bearing could be fitted round the cylinder pivot surface  :-\

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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2020, 03:31:26 PM »
Having parted the bearings by gently heating them I could then look to fit the cylinder between the two bearings and make sure it is free running.

I also made up the piston rod and put the piston in the cylinder but the other end of the rod is going to need a bit of thinking about  :noidea:

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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2020, 04:50:39 PM »
Hi Jo.

Looking at the " wood cut " drawing at the beginning of your thread it would appear that the big end bearing was just " pinched " on one side only. This being its adjustment for wear.

I can understand your problem if the crankpin has a solid flange at either side.

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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2020, 05:02:06 PM »
Yes, probably best to make the inner pin flange a loose one or make a crank with a boss at the pin end to bring it out to thickness.

Have you been printing any useful bits lately?

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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2020, 06:13:36 PM »
I think I have a solution for the big end  :noidea:


Have you been printing any useful bits lately?

Nope, while the 3D printer has taught me a lot, and I have already had more than my money's worth out of it, it is but a tool which can wait for the appropriate time to be used  ;)

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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2020, 04:19:13 PM »
The end of the connecting rod is made out of steel with a bronze bush. As this is only a half clamp I am not sure how the bearings are supposed to be fitted  :headscratch: so this is what I decided to do....

Starting with two bits of round bar (scrap-bin-ium), the larger diameter one was drilled to let the smaller one go through and the smaller one was drilled through 1.2mm, on one end counter drilled 1.8mm and the other with a 4mm counter drill to act as the oil cup. These were then silver soldered together.

The clamp was added next by first milling a groove then solver soldering in a piece of square. While the cucking piece was still on the end I took it to length before cutting that off and using a slitting saw to cut the split. It was then clamped round a piece of bar and the other end faced.

Because the end  does not split it was necessary to press in two bronze bearings from either side and then clamp on to these.

The engine is looking a little more like the original engraving and can go too and fro, when you turn over the crankshaft  :cartwheel:

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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2020, 08:34:11 PM »
Had to read that through a couple of times to make sense of what you did... :noidea: :old:

The result looks good.  Now just need the inlet fittings and take it for a spin?

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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2020, 04:02:08 PM »
  Now just need the inlet fittings and take it for a spin?

Just  :lolb: the inlet fittings..... thanks Bent.

The last casting is the valve body: The drawings provide two options for this to make it out of two pieces or try to make it out on one. I opted to do it out of one.

It seems strange but the first surface to turn to size is the inlet and outlet. These must be centralised around the main body but within the constraints of the casting. I had to make my flanges 15.5mm diameter rather than the 16mm as the flange was not big enough. While turning the flanges it was necessary to provide end support using a centre. This centre is then used to drill the inlet/outlet hole to depth.

We can now take the casting over to the milling vice and use these two flanges to hold the casting while facing the port face and then drilling the port holes down to meet the two holes previously drilled from either flange. The drawings show that there are three holes on 25.4mm PCD used to mount the valve face. The casting shape was too small for this so I reduced the PCD to 22mm.

The casting could then be turned 90 degrees and the base milled flat and the two 1.4mm holes drilled through which will later be used to secure the base.

The last part of the shaping today was to remount the casting on a piece of dowel and to turn the face opposite the port face. I was pleased to find that the hole previously drilled through is central  :cartwheel:

The base drawn up for this item does not look right so I need to do another redesign  :)

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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2020, 04:39:59 PM »
Nice :popcorn:

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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2020, 12:47:54 PM »
Between the cylinder and the valve castings are two port plates: a fixed plate and the moving plate.

The moving plate is 3.18imm thick but I chose to leave it at 6mm thick while I drilled and milled the two 1.6mm wide ports into it. This face has two countersunk holes in it for 10BA screws which are used to fix the plate onto the cylinder casting.

Having successfully got away with milling those narrow slots without breaking the milling cutter  ;D it was now time to turn the plate to thickness and to drill through and counterbore the centre for the spring seat.

The drawing shows that two ports had to have their inner faces filled a little to improve the gas flow  :thinking: before fixing to the cylinder casting.


Now for the fixed port plate which is much more interesting :paranoia:

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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2020, 01:09:42 PM »
Jo

Have you put your posting in the wrong thread? 

Are your castings the same as those sold by Hemingway Kits? If so the model appears to be far simpler than the Crank Overhead engine. I am jealous of your speed of working.

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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2020, 01:15:36 PM »
yes bit of a hick-up there should have gone into Jo's thread.

Almost there Jo should be going by the end of the week ;)

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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2020, 04:02:19 PM »
 :facepalm: All sorted.

The fixed port plate is a similar operation to the moving port plate. But this one needs two arcs milled on one side so that needs the plate to be mounted up on a rotary table, then it is just a case of going the long way between the drilled port holes. After that the plate can have the diameter reduced on either side and have the centre counterbored.

Then I mounted the plate onto the valve casting to check what needed to be taken off around the outside. I decided the easiest way to remove the excess was to put the plate back onto the rotary table and first mill between the mounts and then finish by hand.

I can now look at the challenge of making a suitable base.

Almost there Jo should be going by the end of the week ;)

Possibly, I did mention this to Surus and was told yes if it is running by the end of the week someone will deserve another set of castings. I am not sure if he meant me  :noidea:

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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2020, 05:42:24 PM »
Well, that was easy!  :insane:

Looks good from over here.

Are the inlet and outlet flanges supposed to be thru-bolted?

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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2020, 05:57:36 PM »
Are the inlet and outlet flanges supposed to be thru-bolted?

The original print shows four holes on each flange to bolt the engine to the steam line and exhaust. I'll assume they should have bolts and the scale would mean that 10BA would be appropriate.

Sorry no progress today, too much gardening going on ::)

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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2020, 04:01:37 AM »
Are the inlet and outlet flanges supposed to be thru-bolted?

The original print shows four holes on each flange to bolt the engine to the steam line and exhaust. I'll assume they should have bolts and the scale would mean that 10BA would be appropriate.

Sorry no progress today, too much gardening going on ::)

Jo

So Jo.........does the mean we're going to see an update in the Gardening forum soon?  :thinking:

Of course.........I guess I better do that myself. Lots of changes in my little gardening area.

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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2020, 08:32:18 AM »
The current state of the weather in our UK Hampshire would suggest that Jo may start growing rice in her garden if she is going to become active outdoors.

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