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Lighting upgrade
« on: December 23, 2018, 11:12:40 PM »
OK....I've been in the dark far too long....Now if that wasn't a meatball, you guys aren't paying attention!

Lighting!

Currently, in my 11 x 18 foot x 12 foot ceiling garage shop,  I have task lights, 1 half functioning 4' florescent light fixture...and that's it!    It sucks...and as my age increases, it gets worse every year....old eyes need more light!...

So, after a brief discussion in Bill's shop rebuild thread, I've decided to get something done about it.    Lets start at the bottom and work up.

Aciera F1   The factory task light is kaput!    the fixture just plain wore out and fell apart.    The only light I've got on this is the main work light on my Clausing mill which I swing over .   Unfortunately, I am parked between the machine and the light, so I end up using my optivisor/light to see what I'm doing....not very efficient, and probably the worst lit machine in the shop.

Clausing Mill       That's not too bad!   I have a sizeable halogen machine light on that, on one side of the spindle.    The left side of the spindle is brilliant, but you can't see much on the right side with the shadows and such.   I end up swinging the desk lamp from the Southbend over to light that side up...again, I'm between the light and the machine there....not a good situation ...

Southbend     I have a shared desk lamp that I share with the watchmakers bench.    If I'm on the chuck side of the saddle, it's not too bad, but on the TS side....I end up using a pocket flashlight to help me out.


The problem
No where NEAR enough ambient light in this space..    It needs a great deal more ambient light to make everything work
The task lights I have aren't well suited to my applications.    they cast shadows, get real hot, and are generally in the way. 

The enjoyment of the shop suffers...as does my work.

The plan
4 new Hi Intensity LED light fixtures on the ceiling.  That and white walls should raise the ambient light level significantly
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From what i've read, you need as a minimum 5000 lumens for every 250 sq feet   20 lumens/sq foot  ( 23 sq meters,   215 lumens/sq meter)   and these lights are 4100 lumens each on a 198 sq foot shop..... or 16,400 lumens/198 sq feet or  82 lumens/sq foot.     For the primary light, that will brighten it up a lot!....  based on some simple calculations, I'm at 4 lumens/sq foot currently..just for comparison.





Aciera, will get a brand new Hi intensity LED talk light, mounted where the old one was, and as it's a smaller fixture and is very bright, I can leave it where ever it's needed.   
I made a mount for that tonight.   It needs two tapped holes and it's done.

Clausing    I am going to take the Hi Intensity Halogen machine light off of this machine and replace it with 2 Hi intensity task lights either side of the spindle on the column.   No more shadows.

Southbend  The Hi intensity light that was on the Clausing will move over to the Southbend and be mounted to the bench...and be right where I need it...again no more shadows, and hard to see dials

Logan  I'm going to purchase another Hi Intensity Halogen work lamp just like the one I have and put it on this lathe as well

Then we'll see where we're at.    8)

Dave
« Last Edit: December 24, 2018, 12:10:24 AM by steamer »
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Re: Lighting upgrade
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2018, 01:05:10 AM »
In my shop (slightly larger than yours, not much, back room of the house), I started with two 4' track light sets with 4 spot/floods each. That lit up the room fairly well, mainly along the benches. The machines also have gooseneck task lights, one on the lathe, two on the mill (one from each side). That works out well, the work is lit without the rest of the room needing sunglasses.   8)

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2018, 01:16:54 AM »
Sounds like a major improvement Dave.

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Re: Lighting upgrade
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2018, 01:47:27 AM »
Anxious to SEE how it all works out Dave. Sounds like a good plan though. Guess you can never have too much light.

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2018, 02:42:36 AM »
Anxious to SEE how it all works out Dave. Sounds like a good plan though. Guess you can never have too much light.

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Re: Lighting upgrade
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2018, 07:11:36 AM »
I changed my old flouro fitting for LED earlier in the year and am very happy with them. My workshop is 8x16 and I have 4 six foot singles @ 3400lum each with uncluttered white walls and ceiling. Mine are 4000K which is not too white or too orange.

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2018, 09:23:18 AM »
Sounds like a good plan Dave  8)


From what i've read, you need as a minimum 5000 lumens for every 250 sq feet   20 lumens/sq foot  ( 23 sq meters,   215 lumens/sq meter)   and these lights are 4100 lumens each on a 198 sq foot shop..... or 16,400 lumens/198 sq feet or  82 lumens/sq foot.     For the primary light, that will brighten it up a lot!....  based on some simple calculations, I'm at 4 lumens/sq foot currently..just for comparison.

Rule of thumb is a Fluorescent is 50 Lumens per Watt and an LED provides 100 Lumens per Watt, if the tubes are clean  ::)

I am currently running 75 Lumens per square foot from my over head fluorescent lighting plus task lighting on every bench and machine. The ceiling lights are all the older 5ft fluorescent double fittings that were removed from work 20 years ago  :naughty: and they have the advantage of providing an additional 550W of background workshop heating. The great thing about these older fittings is lots of people are getting rid of them and giving me their spare new tubes.  :ThumbsUp:

You can never have too much light and natural sunlight is best  :)

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Re: Lighting upgrade
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2018, 01:19:18 PM »
My actual fittings had started to go so not working well even with new tubes and starters so that is what made me completely replace them.

As most of my machines are up one end of the workshop I just need two tubes on and have a couple of cheap Ikea type LED task lights so can happily work away with just 63w lighting and a sweat shirt :) I just switch another on if working at the other end of the shop.

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2018, 01:26:06 PM »
Hey Tatah, I can highly recommend these from LMS for machine lights:




If you havenít hit the one click buy button on the ceiling fixtures hang on until you hear from me. Talk to yíall real soon.

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2018, 01:36:11 PM »
I have found 8 foot LED tubes now @ 4200 lumens so 12 tubes x 4200 divided by abourt 820 sq/ ft. of shop space (not counting the enclosed storage closet) should give me about 60-61 lumens per sq. ft.  Definitely cheaper than replacing the fixures too since aside from ballasts (which will be bypassed with the new tubes) that are in excellent shape otherwise. Just want to double check the wiring against the LED tube manufacturers diagram which I will do this week before trying these puppies out.

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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2018, 01:54:31 PM »
Hey Tatah, I can highly recommend these from LMS for machine lights:




If you havenít hit the one click buy button on the ceiling fixtures hang on until you hear from me. Talk to yíall real soon.

Cletus

The one on your lathe is identical to the one I'm putting on the Aciera.   
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2018, 01:57:39 PM »
I have found 8 foot LED tubes now @ 4200 lumens so 12 tubes x 4200 divided by abourt 820 sq/ ft. of shop space (not counting the enclosed storage closet) should give me about 60-61 lumens per sq. ft.  Definitely cheaper than replacing the fixures too since aside from ballasts (which will be bypassed with the new tubes) that are in excellent shape otherwise. Just want to double check the wiring against the LED tube manufacturers diagram which I will do this week before trying these puppies out.

Bill

Good!!!!  I can't believe I've been working in 4 lumens/ sq foot....can't wait to be able to see again!

Cletus!    I pulled that trigger already son.....They're on the way!     I'm hoping they come this week so I can put them up!

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Re: Lighting upgrade
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2018, 02:06:05 PM »
So what you got up your sleeve there Whiskey??


Dave, maybe you can take a before and after pic of the general shop illumination.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2018, 02:07:51 PM »
Sounds like a good plan Dave  8)


From what i've read, you need as a minimum 5000 lumens for every 250 sq feet   20 lumens/sq foot  ( 23 sq meters,   215 lumens/sq meter)   and these lights are 4100 lumens each on a 198 sq foot shop..... or 16,400 lumens/198 sq feet or  82 lumens/sq foot.     For the primary light, that will brighten it up a lot!....  based on some simple calculations, I'm at 4 lumens/sq foot currently..just for comparison.

Rule of thumb is a Fluorescent is 50 Lumens per Watt and an LED provides 100 Lumens per Watt, if the tubes are clean  ::)

I am currently running 75 Lumens per square foot from my over head fluorescent lighting plus task lighting on every bench and machine. The ceiling lights are all the older 5ft fluorescent double fittings that were removed from work 20 years ago  :naughty: and they have the advantage of providing an additional 550W of background workshop heating. The great thing about these older fittings is lots of people are getting rid of them and giving me their spare new tubes.  :ThumbsUp:

You can never have too much light and natural sunlight is best  :)

Jo

My shop has 1 small window, that's pretty high up....the window sill is about shoulder height.    In the summer, half that window is full of an A/C unit.  It's over the Southbend, but I've completely discounted it as otherwise the shop is a "cave" during the summer.

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2018, 02:09:14 PM »
So what you got up your sleeve there Whiskey??


Dave, maybe you can take a before and after pic of the general shop illumination.

Bill

The condition of the shop is embarrassing at the moment..Today is a clean up day, as I have to make room for the 3D printer...so maybe later today....but I've got some cooking to do too.....we'll see.

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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2018, 02:12:27 PM »
So what you got up your sleeve there Whiskey??


Dave, maybe you can take a before and after pic of the general shop illumination.

Bill

The condition of the shop is embarrassing at the moment..Today is a clean up day, as I have to make room for the 3D printer...so maybe later today....but I've got some cooking to do too.....we'll see.

Dave

Yeah I know that feeling well. I have purposely hidden lots of my space till recently too and for the same reason. There is still some clutter about that I must deal with.

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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2018, 07:38:04 PM »
I wuz thinking a happy sponsor might send them that way  :shrug:

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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2018, 07:39:40 PM »
Heres a couple of shots of Lighting upgrade project 1   The Aciera F1

Much better....and the light is movable enough that I can put it where its not making a shadow..

brighter than the original 40W incandescent ever dreamed of being!

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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2018, 07:40:12 PM »
I wuz thinking a happy sponsor might send them that way  :shrug:

Whiskey

Thank you my friend....   :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2018, 07:52:54 PM »
Here's the current state of the state with Samantha Bell.....pretty sad.....with the lights the way they are...its nothing but shadows.....we'll fix this one next

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2018, 08:54:44 PM »
MUCH better.....my plan is working well so far.   Santa has some machine lights for me.......so I'm told.....provided i've been a good boy.....

I have a nice piece of angle iron that will work a treat to mount them too...

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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2018, 08:57:34 PM »
Awesome Dave thatís looks much better. I am in the process of upgrading my  fluorescent lighting to LED lightning as well. Much more efficent and brighter.

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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2018, 08:59:34 PM »
Awesome Dave thatís looks much better. I am in the process of upgrading my  fluorescent lighting to LED lightning as well. Much more efficent and brighter.

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Getting the main beam over to the operator side of the center of the spindle is the trick....no more shadows on that side.

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2018, 09:24:49 PM »
Yeah, that is looking good already.

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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2018, 10:33:42 PM »
The LED ceiling fixtures came late yesterday, and today I got to fooling around with them    Plugged one in....Holy (*Q@(*(  !  :o 8) :cheers:   

WAY brighter than any Florescent fixture I've ever seen...I'll start tonight, and hopefully get them all up tomorrow.   12 foot ceiling is the challenge with an 8 foot step ladder and bum leg...should be interesting.


Additionally I got the aluminum angle iron I needed to mount my Mill lamps.    I'll get to that after the ceiling fixtures.  I'm way excited about these lights!

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« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2018, 10:40:54 PM »
Excellent!  Then you can see how many lost parts in the dim corners are now visible...

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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2018, 10:54:26 PM »
I suspect even the shop gnomes will need welding goggles!   :o.....it's a good problem!
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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2018, 11:01:59 PM »
Four or six more?

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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2018, 11:06:14 PM »
I could light up the street with 6 more...never mind the shop!
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2018, 11:10:58 PM »
Six it is then  :lolb:

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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2018, 12:23:29 AM »
Glad to hear that is working so well Dave.

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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2018, 01:38:43 AM »
OK   here's the last of the task lighting installed with a custom bracket off the motor mount.   Took a little noodling, but I can get to everything and adjust belts just fine.   The cool thing is if I move or rotate the head, the lights follow.  Still waiting on the electrical bits to wire it all up though...

Tomorrow the LED lights go up

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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2018, 02:49:36 AM »
Those look rugged too!!!

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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2018, 02:54:27 AM »
Those look rugged too!!!

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2018, 11:15:04 PM »
Lighting electrical stuff showed up today  I can get on with wiring the Mill.   The ceiling fixtures will need to wait until a new taller ladder is purchased.... >:(

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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2019, 05:44:10 PM »
OK   Progress!    Before and after shots of the big mill
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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2019, 06:09:23 PM »
Looks great Dave and I can see a difference for sure though the camera adjusts to the greater light and probably diminishes the effect photographically. That has to make a huge difference though.

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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2019, 07:29:10 PM »
Big improvement. When you get the eight LED fixtures hung, itíll be like an operating room  8)

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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2019, 07:32:26 PM »
Big improvement. When you get the eight LED fixtures hung, itíll be like an operating room  8)

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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2019, 12:40:32 AM »
You have an Aciera F1!

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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2019, 12:41:41 AM »
You have an Aciera F1!

Nice...   8)

There ya go ....Now the guys with the Dark suites and ear buds will have to come knocking!!!

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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2019, 01:26:28 AM »
Any progress on the overhead lights yet. The best thing about them other than the increased light output is that they are dead silent. No more annoying hum. :whoohoo:

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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2019, 02:23:22 AM »
Nope....haven't gotten the new ladder yet.......eventually

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