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London Model Engineering Show 2019
« on: December 21, 2018, 06:47:07 PM »
The next big UK model engineering show is being held at Alley pally from the 18th to 20th January, I have my ticket and  am planning to go on Friday 18th   :cartwheel:


Is any one else planning to go?

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Re: London Model Engineering Show 2019
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2018, 07:03:23 PM »
Saturday for me.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 07:27:39 PM »
Looks like I will be going on my own to the show on Friday  :-\

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 07:52:14 PM »
Just leave a few bargains for me on Saturday ;)

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 07:57:30 PM »
Looks as though all the casings will be for you (or more likely Saurus) then  :)
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Re: London Model Engineering Show 2019
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2019, 04:11:01 PM »
Alley Pally 2019

Photo set 1

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2019, 04:12:21 PM »
Set 2

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2019, 04:13:33 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2019, 04:14:47 PM »
Set 4

The first 6 models are available as fully machined kits from Chiltern Models so if you don't have a workshop of your own there is no reason not to make your own steam engines  8)

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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2019, 04:17:24 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2019, 04:18:38 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2019, 04:25:56 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2019, 04:26:43 PM »
Last one and Surus has a new set of castings  ::)

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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2019, 08:19:51 PM »
Thank you for the pictures, Jo. There are some interesting varieties there.

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2019, 09:25:32 PM »
Agreed. Thanks for sharing your adventure with us Jo. Ive seen a few in that collection that I would like to have. What is that model towards the last of them. It appears to be a three cylinder affair. ?


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Re: London Model Engineering Show 2019
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2019, 10:36:34 PM »
Nice pictures Jo. Hope our guys at cabin fever do as well. You only ended up with one set of castings?  :o. Surus must have been disappointed  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2019, 07:17:28 AM »
Thanks Guys, I will have to find out the details on that three cylinder engine or maybe one of the visitors today would like to find out... it is on the SMEE stand  ;)

You only ended up with one set of castings?  :o. Surus must have been disappointed  ;)

We did look at the rotative pump from Southworth but Blackgates did not currently have any in stock. We would probably go directly to Bob at Southworth Engines for that anyway. Polly never bring casting sets unless you ask them specifically for it  :-\

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2019, 08:26:24 AM »
Thank you for taking and posting so many pictures  :)  :)  :wine1:  There are some fascinating things there. The diesel boat power pack (img 0047) has some interesting attachments, possibly a governor?.
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2019, 08:37:14 AM »
 :thinking: I am not sure Roger, here is a more detailed view of that engine.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2019, 08:55:48 AM »
Thank you Jo  :ThumbsUp:
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2019, 10:27:15 AM »
Interesting but still not obvious  :headscratch: The disc and spring connected to the throttle could be a clutch to disconnect the load at idle. The mechanism behind the engine could be a pull cord starter or some form of winch. I think that there are some parts missing  :thinking:
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2019, 11:19:40 AM »
It's got all the patina and all the looks of something built in the 1950's, 1960's.

A barn find perhaps or Grandpa's engine maybe

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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2019, 04:01:13 PM »
Well "engines" both steam and IC seemed to be a bit thin on the ground this year if you exclude those on the dealers stands which Jo has covered extensively which meant nothing really new or exciting. I did manage to find a few dotted around the club stands and have also taken a few of the non" engine" subjects too. In no particular order.































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No Castings left for me but a did manage to get this little lot with my pocket money, that barstock must have a unique engine or two just waiting to get out ;)



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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2019, 05:07:28 PM »
A quick update on my missing set of castings  :(

I have been in contact with Bob Potter and he tells me that as of last October he passed on the Southworth range to Blackgates.  Bob was good enough to send us a set of drawings so we can plan our next casting purchase  ::)

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2019, 05:11:30 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2019, 05:18:46 PM »
Thanks for posting the photos, it's nice to see what those down south are up to  :)

Jason, what is the rather attractive little green oscillator (image 7 in post no 26)?  Thanks

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2019, 06:32:47 PM »
It looks very much like it is based on the one in Muncaster's book. Julius should have posted a set of drawings for it.

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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2019, 06:34:48 PM »
Those traction/plowing engines are beauts!
Thanks for all the photos!

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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2019, 06:45:47 PM »
Chris I thought you would have been more interested in the Salt water Crocodile submarine  ::)

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2019, 07:10:46 PM »
Chris I thought you would have been more interested in the Salt water Crocodile submarine  ::)

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Well, yes, I was looking at that croc - thought it was just a decorative head. Is it an operating sub? Very cool! We are supposed to have one of our RC sub meets tomorrow over near Bufallo NY, but it all depends on the weather, it is snowing a lot today, supposed to be another foot or so and high winds tomorrow, so it all depends on if the weather-guesser is correct for once.

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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2019, 07:25:19 PM »
One thing I notice in a lot of the pictures from this and other UK shows is the much greater emphasis on security with the alarmed systems and such. Is this based on problems in the past or just a precautionary measure. That just doesn't seem very common at all on this side of the pond unless things have changed in the last year or two since I have attended one. Just curious is why I am asking.

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2019, 07:37:28 PM »
Models have walked in the past

The other thing is our shows tend to just be a display on a stand that may or may not be attended by anyone, your shows are very much a table with the owner on one side and the viewer on the other so there is always going to be someone there to keep an eye on things.

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« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2019, 07:39:42 PM »
Thanks Jason, that does make sense and I agree, over here the owners are usually very close to their models, like across the table as you say.

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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2019, 07:42:38 PM »
Being connected to an Alarm system is also an insurance requirement for the shows  :-\

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2019, 07:49:41 PM »
As far as I know, things haven't gotten quite that strict insurance wise over here yet, but give them time and they probably will.

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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2019, 07:50:35 PM »
One thing I have noticed about the US exhibitions is they seem to have far more models running than we do in the UK, it seems like they have a centralised air supply where as here we rely on exhibitors providing their own supply.

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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2019, 08:05:22 PM »
One thing I have noticed about the US exhibitions is they seem to have far more models running than we do in the UK, it seems like they have a centralised air supply where as here we rely on exhibitors providing their own supply.
The couple I have been to here in the US had a big commercial air compressor in the back somewhere, with pipes run down the backs of the tables and shutoff valve/taps on each table. Works very well, though it must be a big initial cost for all the piping/fittings and a bunch of work to set up by the show runners. Each exhibitor just had to bring a pressure valve/manifold/tubing to hook up their models. It does make for a great show though, stuff ticking away in every direction. The IC engines just ran off their own fuel, naturally.

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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2019, 10:30:57 PM »
My thanks to Jo and Jason for the photos - sort of makes up for me not being able to attend this year, well, nearly but not quite!  All much appreciated.

I don't know if it just clever photo composition or what, but the feeling I get is that there were not that many there at the show.  Normally when I go, I can't get to the front of the stand without a lot of pushing because of all the grey-haired old fellas like me who are blocking the pitch with their rucksacks on their backs, not actually buying anying or querying any item on display but just talking amongst themselves.  In these photos, apart from the old chap with a tattoo there seemed the crowd was definitely thin on the ground.

Re security, I can quite see the need to have the model wired together, having once run a stall at a junior school fate where stuff marked at just 0.50 each got nicked right under our nose.  Never underestimate the pleb who thinks their entitlement to something is greater than yours, the owner of said item.

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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2019, 09:14:50 AM »
You are right Chris, visitors were light on the ground on Friday. This seems to be the way shows are going... less visitors means the traders question going. Two major tool companies had smaller stalls this year and the last remaining large stand is talking about this being the last year they attend.

This was my last year at Alley Pally: I find it an awful place to get to, there are so few model engineering traders any more and I came home having failed to be able to buy the bits I needed   :disappointed:

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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2019, 10:42:46 AM »
I know what you mean Jo, this is my last year as well. It's been about four years since I last attended and a real marked down turn in content (in my opinion). Having said I did come away with a couple of bits and pieces but nothing that I could not phone them up for.

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2019, 11:30:48 AM »
Don't think I will be going to Alley Pally again either, as you say Jo, it's not the easiest place to get to, for us it means a drive up to Farnham to daughters, then a train to London, Tube across London, bus to site and back, a time consuming and not inexpensive journey.  To be disappointed when I got there would be too much.  Sad to see no Bristol show this year but often in France then anyway, but I liked that show.  Midlands show also involves a drive, to daughters in Gloucester.  But at least from there it's not an onerous drive to the show and one can then park right outside the hall, a major bonus for me! 

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PS I know one can park at Allly Pally but who on earth wants to drive in London these days?
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2019, 12:01:54 PM »
It does seem that the area to the left hand end gets bigger each year and even more so this year with the Steam Punk Area and the isles get wider.

I tend to view it that if the cost of the ticket equates to the postage on a few items I could have ordered then I'm not really out of pocket, think I bought from 8 separate stalls so certainly covered postage costs. I had 19 items on my list and got 17, did not really expect to get the other two as one was metric stock and the other I think only EKP sells.

Took me 1hr 20mins to drive across London and about 20-25mins longer getting home though the Scooby did not enjoy the 20mph limits.

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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2019, 01:35:20 PM »
Jo and Jason.....belated thanks for all the photos.     Terry

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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2019, 02:50:12 PM »
HI All, I went on Saturday to the show and it was really packed and very difficult  to get to the trade stands with so many back packs !! I bought a few things and spoke to quite a few old friends .....I went with the Norridge  society and years ago the 52 seater bus was full but recently it only has about 26 ..... Yes there does seems to be more space although all the seating chairs and tables were well attended !! I will continue to go to the shows as in our club the Coach trip is being subsidised by the clubs pecunary directive. What i did see ,was, that the quantity of models on display was superseded by the size of the exhibits .Jo, I did miss the Bridport Foundry stand that features in one of your photos, they had a lot of castings available of various stationary models and if i had seen it i would have purchased a few of there flywheels for future projects...I did however buy some part machined flywheels from the RDG stand at quite reasonable prices i thought, and was quite surprised to see them there !!
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« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2019, 11:38:18 AM »
I went on Sunday with my 8 year old son. We go every year, but its only 25 mins drive for me and we just regard it as a fun day out and some one-to-one boy time as the girls opted out as soon as they were given a choice :-)

Didn't have a shopping list really but came away with some nice new sharp USA made files, a nice number 2 Thor for the boys growing tool kit and a pair of RC 'battle tanks' that we spent the whole evening playing with. Turns out mummy is secretly the best tank commander in the whole family!

I think its smaller than ever but at the moment it has sufficient to keep us amused.

What I am surprised at is the paucity of 'moving' stuff. I am sure back in the Wembley Conference Centre days they had a big pool (well a pool that seemed big to a small child) for RC boats and also a racing arena for RC cars, all of which added a bit of a buzz to the proceedings. I know they have the planes and the (yawn!) truck area but I am sure more of the like would improve things. At least the Gauge 1 guys and the 16mm steam people put on a bit of a show :)


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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2019, 11:55:26 AM »
Yes the other MEX put on by MAP at the time at Wembly had car racing every day in the conference hall, boat pool and a straight length of track up on one of the balconies for train rides only down side was they made you wait outside until opening time.


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« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2019, 04:14:58 PM »
No dirt pile for the front loaders, dump trucks, and drag links?

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« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2019, 07:25:55 PM »
Here are the flywheels from RDG   3-3/4 and 7 inches part turned and more on the crocodile for Chris !!!

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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2019, 08:12:16 PM »
Thanks Willy!
I'm not sure, but this video might be for that one:
They sure scared the beans out of that duck! One of the guys over here made a RC duck decoy once, and made the mistake of getting too close to some of the Canada Geese with little ones at the pond, Momma Goose attacked, beat the snot out of the decoy, and sank it! They never did find it...
Here is another one, or maybe the same after they added a body...

Closest I have is my RC submarine shaped like a Great White Shark.

And my sea turtle submarine: