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1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« on: September 04, 2018, 07:18:58 PM »
Hello everyone,

My latest project will be to build a full size replica of a late 1800 to early 1900's automobile, a.k.a. Horseless Carriage, a.k.a. Motorized Buggy. As the steam engine pushed the Industrial Revolution into high gear (pun intended) the advent of the motorized vehicle just exploded on the scene. Almost every carriage shop, buggy shop, wagon shop and even shops that built horse drawn hearse, that could buy a gasoline engine, built their version of an “automobile.”

I have designed one based on a collection of many very similar automobiles that were built within an eight to ten year period. I have tried to keep as much of the original”looks” as possible while using the modern materials that are available today. From the outward appearance it will be hard to distinguish it from an original.

As the build progresses I will detail all of the various parts and pieces used in the construction. There will be some reverse engineering as needed to best adapt the parts that I will have to purchase and those parts that will be made from my original drawings. I still have quite a bit of design work to complete, but the Main Chassis drawings are completed and will be the first component to build.

The first step is to build a “welding fixture” where I will fabricate the main chassis. I am making the fixture out of 2x4 and 2x6 lumber rather than steel, because it will only be used one time. Once I have a rolling chassis the fixture will be taken apart to allow more room in my small shop.

Attached photos show my original Concept Design, the Welding Fixture and the limited space that I will have in my shop in the beginning. This should be a fun build and a chance for me to utilize my new machines.

Have a great day,
Thomas

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Re: 1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 07:45:23 PM »
Very cool!!  :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Re: 1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 07:53:23 PM »
Thomas, if you haven't checked this site out, please do.
http://www.horselesscarriagereplicas.com/plans.html

These guys come up every year to out cotton ginning days festival in October and bring their carriages with then even from Florida and Louisiana. As I recall their plans are quite reasonable and may save you some time as well as providing tried and tested designs.

Bill

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Re: 1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 08:38:53 PM »
Thanks Zee and Bill,

Bill I do not have that link and man I really like the "Pie Wagon", thanks so much. In fact, I like all those buggies.

I already have so much time involved in my design it would be hard to not complete it, but adding or making some changes would not be hard. I will look over all the plans offered and might order several.

Again thanks for the information.

Thomas

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2018, 08:55:49 PM »
Excellent! Going to be following this one - got plenty of popcorn kernels ready to pop!
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What kind of engine are you planning on using for it?

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Re: 1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 10:08:48 PM »
Hello Chris,

I will be using a Kohler 14-hp slant single cylinder with a 1-inch straight output shaft. I ordered it several months ago to get dimensions off of it to use on the drawings. I have most of the running gear in stock now except for the rear drive axle.

Have a great day,
Thomas

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2018, 09:41:16 PM »
Sounds cool, will try and follow along, now that I'm back again  :popcorn:  :)

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2018, 10:33:41 PM »
Oh goody!

Now just have to ek out  :popcorn: until the new seasons arrives........too early to plant yet

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Re: 1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2018, 10:42:07 PM »
Sounds cool, will try and follow along, now that I'm back again  :popcorn:  :)



Hey Bent, good to have you follow along. Hope to start cutting and welding on some steel this coming week.

Have a great day,
Thomas

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2018, 10:56:53 PM »
Oh goody!

Now just have to ek out  :popcorn: until the new seasons arrives........too early to plant yet

Cheers Kerrin



Welcome aboard Steamer5

Have a great day,
Thomas

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Re: 1898 Automobile A.K.A. horseless carriage
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2018, 11:36:47 PM »
Thomas, can you post a pic of the engine when you can. Would like to see it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2018, 12:10:54 AM »
Thomas, can you post a pic of the engine when you can. Would like to see it.

Bill


Hello Bill,

Here are 4 photos of the engine. One showing each angle. I chose this engine for many reasons, but a couple of the main points are: 1) the slant single has a fairly low profile, 2) The 1-inch straight output shaft mates up to the Driver CVT pulley, 3) All of the rest of the Driven parts mate up with the Driver, 4) The Final Rear Axle will also be 1-inch which will handle the engine and wheels/tires that I have chosen.

I spent a lot of time researching all the various "systems" that are available but chose this "collective group" because the operation will replicate that of the Circa 1800/1900 automobiles.

Have a great day,
Thomas

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2018, 12:39:46 AM »
That should give nice reliable running, though how are you going to hook up the pull-start rope to the hand crank on the end of the car?!    :Lol:

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2018, 01:00:37 AM »
Should be plenty of power Thomas, likely much more that the original car had and definitely higher tech!! Thanks for the pictures.

Bill

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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2018, 01:14:39 AM »
That should give nice reliable running, though how are you going to hook up the pull-start rope to the hand crank on the end of the car?!    :Lol:

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Hi Chris,

It is an electric start with a backup pull start. I plan to use the electric starter and have not decided to leave or remove the rope start. The rope start is not in the way, so most likely will leave it as is. I could add a fake Hand Crank in the front...hummmm, not a bad idea.

Have a great day,
Thomas