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Not real clear about what you did do to handle this.But... If you don't point it out, he'll do it again. I had a lot of those moments in my early days, but I have nothing but respect for those who told me NOT to do it "that way". John
Quote from: Johnmcc69 on August 09, 2018, 02:22:11 AMNot real clear about what you did do to handle this.But... If you don't point it out, he'll do it again. I had a lot of those moments in my early days, but I have nothing but respect for those who told me NOT to do it "that way". JohnI can assure you ….he's been educated! and it won't happen again.... I'm just curious how everyone else would do it is all.Dave
I won't claim to be good with that sort of thing, but one thing I have learned over the years was to get over the anger before educating the apprentice. Sometimes you only have a minute to do it but teaching cannot occur when either party is angry or frightened.Pete
Verbally, loudly, on camera, rip a few new through holes, post online...Then hand him the bill for a new plate.At least 'accidentally' turn on the mic for the PA system?That would be the modern equivalent of hanging the pirate at the entrance to the harbor...
Believe it or not in my experience, this new generation has a respect for people who “keep it real” ie “do” instead of “talk about”. Use that to your advantage.
I guess it's time to learn how to "scrape"...
Wellll! I could point out that a Surface Plate should have a cover on it when not in use. And that the introduction to the shop should insure that the "newcomer" is made to understand that the "device" under that cover is a PRECISION instrument. But won't do it just now. :-) ...lew...
I get what Zee is saying about us assuming they should know what we know, but, I can’t buy into that argument wholeheartedly.
They shut down "shop" classes years ago in the school I graduated from years ago. They shut down the tech school I graduated from the tool & die program. I've worked in tool & die my entire career, in capacity as T & D maker & as a designer. My last company I worked for moved mfg to Mexico. I live in an area that was very heavy into the tooling industry. The industry left years ago & interest in the funding to train them for that left as well. I just don't know anymore. But..I did find that working with interns fresh out of college was "interesting" . Especially from large companies who had no shop experience. They figured if they can create it on computer, it can be manufactured. I served my time on the shop floor before I was taken on as a designer, the old boss made sure you knew the basics & how to cut metal & think on your feet. Maybe it's a regional thing, but IMHO, it's becoming a global thing. Disclaimer: this is just my experience so please don't "flame" me.. John
Following on from some of the comments on this thread, my first experience with engines at age 7 was an old villiers engine lurking in the corner of Dad's garage. I managed to strip it down, rebuild it without help from Dad (but from an Uncle) got it running much to Dad's surprise. All tools cleaned and replaced in their place..... I ran my own Auto Body-shop for several years and found that the majority of "so-called" trained youngsters that I employed had no practical or common sense skills whatsoever. I soon worked out which ones were worth persevering with and which hit the road. If they made a mistake fine we all do, but if they didn't listen to and take note of what you told them politely and quietly then then goodbye. Most people in the UK will remember the YTS programme, now we are slowly going back to proper apprenticeships. I am in my 60's where can I get a Model Engine Apprenticeship?
In an attempt to put some cheer into this thread, I used to be an Imagineering Tutor - after school for 10-11 year olds. It was always oversubscribed because the children learned to build model aeroplanes, Morse code buzzers, single transistor radios (with earbuds!). Have a look at their website :-https://imagineering.org.uk/clubs/informationThe story I have to tell was told by an amazed father at one parent's evening. His little girl was" helping" him with some DIY project and he asked her to hand him a screwdriver. She replied "Do you want it for a crosshead or a slotted screw?"It is real surprising how much information young minds can absorb but you have to spend the time with them.Ian
Great Dave!!! You got through to him. I had an email from a former advisee this morning ( the school email is still active) wondering why he has a hold and can't register for classes which begin next monday . As I recall he never finalized a plan for my approval last spring. He also missed/ignored the email back in May noting my retirement and assigning him a new advisor. .Some you get through to, some just never get it. If I had had one I would have emailed him back an application for Mc Donald's. Bill
I overheard two nurses in scrubs walking down the hall when one said "My husband called and asked if I had seen his stink bait bucket".
Dave first impression is WOW just Wow. But thinking about the situation I have a couple questions and a comment. Was the proper work surface available in the shop . a large lead block ?? A piece of end grain wood a piece of tree stump. or at least a sheet of heavy plywood? And the other thing that comes to mind IIRC leather is often tooled on a granite or marble surface. So a casual exposier to leather working could have caused this confusion especial if an appropriate surface was not readily available. I am not trying to make any excuses here. But maybe offering an alternate perspective. Proper supervision and training go a long way . one can not assume anything. with the inexperienced. And yes you handled the situation well. If I send someone to my hammer drawer there are at least 10 choices. I need to remember that.