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Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« on: July 03, 2018, 12:43:21 AM »
Hi Guys

I finished building my vise about 8 years ago and just recently completed the drawing package that is available for download on the M&M web site.
http://www.morrisonandmarvin.com/vise_drawings.php

Chris Rueby had express interest in seeing a build thread on the vise, so this will be a condensed version to show the steps and tooling I used to build this wonderful little vise.

I will also show the ½ size Power Arm Jr. (Powrarm) swivel base that I scaled and built from my full sized one.



Here is the kit as received from Morrison & Marvin, very complete with the 4140 steel castings, all the necessary materials and hardware. This is a current kit that I picked up last year; I wanted to have one on hand to keep all the rest of my casings company.  :Lol:


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMmgZqK3Zk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMmgZqK3Zk</a>
If you are interested, here is a video from the foundry showing the casting process for some of the vise parts.



Starting work on the moveable jaw; there was a bit of a shrink and the shaft had a pretty good warp to it. So it took a little fussing to get it running true in the lathe. The foundry has changed the way they mount these on the wax tree to prevent this from happening; the current castings are much better in this area.



Turned around in the collet and finished to dimension.



Drilling clearance for the screw.



Machining the front end for the screw and lock plate.


Thanks for checking in.
Dave
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 12:50:09 AM by Dave Otto »

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 12:48:18 AM »
Thanks for posting this Dave. I suspect they might get a few orders as a result  :LittleDevil:

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 12:48:37 AM »
Excellent, thanks!!!


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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 12:51:51 AM »
Thanks for posting this Dave. I suspect they might get a few orders as a result  :LittleDevil:

Bill
I am putting in one, adding to the project shelf... 

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 12:57:30 AM »
Thinking about it here too Chris. They will need time to age properly  :lolb:

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 01:15:28 AM »
Thinking about it here too Chris. They will need time to age properly  :lolb:

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 01:17:00 AM »
Thinking about it here too Chris. They will need time to age properly  :lolb:

Bill
May need a copy of Jo's book, Casting Fondling For Dummies!

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2018, 12:05:19 AM »
Hi Guys

I should have included these pictures with the last ones.


The Front Jaw is squared up in a collet block to dill and tap for the lock plate retaining screws.


Then set up in the mill for drilling and tapping for the screw reatiner.


Next, on to the swivel base.

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2018, 12:12:05 AM »
Thinking about it here too Chris. They will need time to age properly  :lolb:

Bill
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2018, 12:57:53 AM »
Great sequence Dave - thanks!!
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2018, 06:45:43 PM »
Wow, that was quick, the tracking shows that my model makers vise kit will be here Friday - they shipped it right out!
Rats, now Zee knows its coming and will try and raid the porch.... Have to sit up in the tree with the bow Friday to pick him off...  Or maybe leave a jug of Stinking Hoppy by the driveway to distract him!
Should make a nice project next time I am bored...   ::)   Maybe as a break halfway through making all those track segments next month!
Thanks again for the build log Dave!
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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2018, 07:38:00 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2018, 07:44:07 PM »
Dave, I have a set of these castings sitting next to my computer, just waiting for some shop time. It is a bit hot in the shed right now so I moved the Levin to the house so I can play. Thanks for posting this thread

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2018, 11:36:04 PM »
Hi guys

Thanks Dan, glad to have you along.

The next parts are the Swivel Base, Nut Housing and Lock Plate. The Swivel Base and Nut Housing are cast as one piece so the Nut Housing needs to be finished first and then parted from the base. Otherwise there is not an easy way to hold onto it, you may come up with a different plan but this is the way I chose to go about it. All of the castings have chucking lugs which makes setups a little easier.


First the casting was held by the end with the Nut Housing so the chucking lug could be trued up. Then it was flipped around as shown here, and chucked using the chucking lug. The Nut Housing was turned to the proper diameter then parted off.

Not shown; after the Nut Housing was parted off the recess for the Lock Plate was machined using a boring bar. The bottom surface of the Swivel Base has also been faced.



Next the Swivel Base was flipped around mounted in a 4 jaw and indicated in using the chucking lug. The chucking lug is cut off and the Swivel Base is bored for the Lock Plate and faced to length. Notice the Sherline 4 jaw chuck. ;)



I machined the Lock Plate from a piece of 12L14 that I had on hand. The current kit has material supplied so a different approach will probably be needed the make this part. One other deviation from the new drawings is, I machined the Lock Plate Pin as an integral part of the Lock Plate. On the current design this is a pressed in dowel pin; which is how the original Wilton vises are made. All though I think they may be using a roll pin.



After the first lathe operation is complete the part, chuck and all was transferred to the mill and the pockets were machined and the holes for the Lock Bolts drilled using the CNC.



A quick trip to the band saw and the Lock Plate is removed from the stock. Then back to the lathe and faced to length.

Next will be starting the machining of the Back Jaw (body)

Thanks for checking in.
Dave
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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2018, 07:35:26 PM »
Hi Guys
Here are some pictures of the vise body machining.



The lost wax castings are very nice and require little to no fettling; starting on the body the excess material is removed using the band saw.



The body casting has a straight section at the rear that can be used as a chucking lug. The casting is cored so all that is required is to bore it to size. It is also a good idea at this time to take a facing cut across the jaw face to clean it up and insure that it is square to the bore. I didn’t indicate it before but the front jaw should also be faced while in the lathe.



A snug fitting mandrel was turned and the body casting pushed on, so the back end can be cut to length.



Body casting set up in the mill vise to face the bottom and drill the holes. The top of the jaw is sitting on a parallel for proper alignment. The casting was centered on the boss, the center pivot hole drilled and reamed and the Lock Bolt holes drilled.



Trial fit of the pieces completed so far. Sorry I didn’t take any pictures of the nut machining. One word of caution on the nut is that it is only partially threaded you need to be sure that you are turning the correct end down. Also the large end of the nut may need a little file work to get it to seat properly in the nut housing.
You can see in the picture that I have added the Lock Bolts and when this picture was taken the end of the body casting hadn’t been cut off yet.



Bottom view with the lock plate and hardware; on the original vise they used carriage bolts; these are dummies that screw into the Swivel Plate.



Ready to press the nut retainer into the body.



The Nut Housing has been pressed in, blended and lightly bead blasted.


Thanks for checking in.
More later

Dave

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Re: Model Builders Vise from Morrison & Marvin Castings
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2018, 07:51:12 PM »
Beautiful work Dave.
I can't believe it's been a month since the last update. Time is certainly flying.

A snug fitting mandrel was turned and the body casting pushed on, so the back end can be cut to length.

I've seen other posts that discuss 'cutting' to length, or I suppose, facing to length.
I've struggled doing the same and either end up too short or too long.

What do you do to ensure you get the length you want?
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2018, 09:06:43 PM »
Excellent sequence Dave! This will be most handy when I start my kit (it yells at me every time I pass it on the way into the shop...).
One thing I dont have, that you will probably get to in the next installment, is a setup to broach the slot for the key that keeps the jaws lined up. I was thinking maybe of putting a slot in the bottom of the tube on the moveable jaw, and putting a couple of guide posts in from the bottom of the fixed section. Do you think that would work? I have a mass-produced small vise that uses a setup like that, seems to work okay. Not having an arbor press or broaches, not sure how else I can do it - any ideas of other ways?
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2018, 11:22:23 PM »
This is just a beautiful little vise and you are certainly doing it proud Dave.

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 12:02:04 AM »
Thanks for the comments guys;

Chris, your idea would probably work but it would be much nicer if you could figure out a way to properly broach the keyway in the body.

I could broach it for you, the only problem is that I was working on an earlier casting and I had to take it below the .625” that we have called out on the print. I turned mine to .592” to get it to clean up then bored the body to fit. So my special broach bushing is sized to the smaller bore.

Zee, I guess there are lots of different ways and different setups that may dictate different strategies. You need some way to measure with reasonable precision along the Z axis of your lathe (bed). I have a nice digital readout, but before that on this lathe and the one before it I built a way to mount a travel indicator. If I remember correctly you built a carriage stop that clamps to your bed? I had something similar on my old lathe that held the indicator.
So once you can measure the tool movement it is a simple matter of picking up your tool location and zeroing the indicator; then cut away.
If you are working on something longer than your indicator travel then you need to get a little more creative. Once you establish your datum you can use some sort of spacer, 1,2,3, block, gauge block, mic standard, etc. to make up the extra distance. You only need to know where to stop correct? These would only be used while setting the indicator, then set aside.
Hopefully this helps some; it could be a whole thread in itself.

Dave

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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2018, 06:42:39 AM »
Very nice work.  Something about vises which have always fascinated me.
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 AM »
Hi everyone,

I was chatting with my friend Roland Morrison on the phone this morning and the subject of little vises came up. I realized at that time I have two unfinished vise builds here on MEM.
Well I get sidetracked working on other things then kind of forget what I was doing. So I’m going to try to make an effort to finish these two projects out. Yes the Pacific is still waiting for me to finish it too!

Here are couple photos of the vise with the screw retainer plate and brass nut in place.





Next up is the construction of the screw assembly, the Acme threaded stock is supplied with the kit.


Starting work on the screw; the acme stock has been turned and end is ready to be silver soldered in place.


Still too hot to touch.


The screw assembly cleaned up and the end has been skimmed so it is true to the screw and can be placed in a collet.


Cutting the groove for the screw retainer.


Checking the fit of the retainer plate.


Checking the fit in the moveable jaw.


Back in the lathe the end is finished to length and chamfered.


Soft jaws used to hold the steel handle balls for drilling.


The ball and handle assembly is heated and the protruding metal is peened to lock the ball in place.


After dressing and polishing the ball the handle is inserted into the screw and the process in repeated for the other ball.


Dressing and polishing the second ball is not as easy as the first one. I made a split bushing that could be placed on the handle and larger than the ball diameter. This was slid into a collet and the screw allowed to dangle while the second ball was finished.


The finished handle assembly.

More later & thanks for checking in,
Dave

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2020, 10:32:54 AM »
Beautiful Dave. Those parts finished up excellently!!

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2020, 05:37:13 PM »
You do beautiful work, Dave!
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2020, 05:50:47 PM »
Hello Everyone,


The fact that this build thread has returned is very appropriate because my Vise Kit arrived yesterday so I will be following very closely. Right now I am studying the plans and these very helpful photos, I have a lot of work ahead of me. Its not like I can go anywhere for the next few weeks (months) so I might as well put my time to good use and make something useful and lets face it this vise is just so darn cute.


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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2020, 06:06:08 PM »
Bill, Kim, & Jack, thank you for the nice comments and stopping by to have a look at my vintage vise thread. :Lol:
Jack I guess that is the reason why I need to finish this out, to maybe help others who may build one of these cute little vises in the future and happen along this thread searching of information.
Holler if you have any questions.

Thanks again guys!
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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2020, 06:18:25 PM »
Your thread was very useful when I built my vise kit last year!   :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2020, 04:56:24 PM »
Hi Everyone
Here is the next set of build photos.


The keyway has been milled and now the retaining pin holes are being drilled.


These are the individual parts for the broach bushing/alignment tool.


After silver soldering.


Cleaned up and ready for use.


Another view.


The broaching operation in process; note the top of the jaw has been shimmed to align it with the fixture. After the first pass though with the broach, a .005 shim was added on each additional pass; until the final depth was reached.


Setting up on the fixture plate to mill the cuts for the jaw inserts. The mandrel which is a light push fit was indicated to the Y axis and the edge finder used to pick up the face of the jaw.


The moveable jaw assembly installed and tightened and both jaws are cut in one operation.


The body casting clamped to an angle plate to drill and tap for the jaw plates. Extra care was taken to not break through the back side of the jaws.


Milling the stock for the serrated jaw plates. The stock was made oversized and long enough for two plates. The serrations were cut with a new MA Ford 90° solid carbide countersink at a 30° angle to form a nice diamond. This operation was done using CNC but one could also angle the vise and accomplish the same thing.


Here the stock has been finished; it is now cut in two and the serrations nested together. The outside profile is carefully milled while the jaw plates are nested. After milling to size the screw and dowel pain holes are put in and the jaw plates casehardened.


The finished jaw plates installed one the vise.


And the reason it is worth the extra work to nest the jaw plates. :D


Thanks for checking in, more later.
Dave
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2020, 06:06:10 PM »
Wow!  Very nice Dave!
Those jaws really look the business :)
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2020, 08:32:57 PM »
Fabulous Job  :praise2: :praise2: :praise2:

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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2020, 09:05:22 PM »
Dave,

That is one realty impressive vice, from the initial foundry work to your exquisite machining and perfectly fitted parts. Almost seems a shame to use it!!  :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp: :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2020, 11:47:12 PM »
Kim, Colin, & Mike thank you for the nice comments.

Mike, I can't use it, it has a special drawer in one of the Gerstner tool chests along with his little Kurt friends. I remember taking it to the GEARS shows and was completely paranoid having it sit out on the display table. Everyone wants to pick it up and fondle it; I was so worried that someone would drop it in their pocket and walk off with it. I remember one time there was a guy looking at it, for a good half hour; I never took my eyes off it. The shows in the US don't have the alarm cables like you guys do, and I know of a couple small very nice items that have grown legs and walked off.

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2020, 12:41:08 AM »
Awww a man and his tools just down right peachy Dave. Always beautiful work on a clean machine you just got to love it........ :Love:




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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2020, 01:15:00 AM »
Thanks Don!

I sure miss seeing your projects, hopefully one of these days you will get going on something that you can share with us.

Take care,
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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2020, 07:10:37 PM »
Dave

Been following along here too.   Wow very nice job.  Hmm maybe another project !!!  Well someday.

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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2020, 07:37:07 PM »
Thanks Bob.

You should at least have a set of castings ageing in the cupboard, they don't take up much room. :lolb:


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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2020, 08:15:42 PM »
Hi Dave


Concerning cutting the jaws with a 90 degree carbide countersink. Will a 90 degree carbide sporting drill do the same thing? The plans call for a .043 Pitch my question is? would I make a cut .020 deep and then move over .086 and repeat until the end of the jaw OR do I index .043 for each cut.
Excuse my ignorance on this but I am confused.


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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2020, 10:50:57 PM »
Hi Everyone


I answered my own question after setting up the Kurt to 30 degrees I made the first cut and then indexed over .043 according to the DRO made another cut and It looked about right so I continued until the end. Repositioned my Kurt to 30 degrees the other way and continued to make cuts like before.  I might have gone a wee bit deeper but I didn't want to make a major screw up.
It looks like vise jaws to me.


Thanks


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« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2020, 12:11:50 AM »
Sounds good Jack

I just got home from work and checked one of my jaw plates on my optical comparator, I come up with .05" pitch. I did the CAD model and drawings long after I built my vise, so I'm guessing that I just came up with something that looked correct on the model. The depth on mine is .02" and the cutter left a slight radius in the bottom of the valley. The MA Ford counter sinks usually come to a pretty sharp point and that is why I chose that tool. The spot drill may work you will just have to try and see.

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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2020, 02:43:57 AM »
Hi Everyone


The cutting of the vise jaws went pretty well, at least I am Happy with them. This is what I have finished so far. My new 5/8" reamer came today so tomorrow I may get to to cut the 5/8" bore of the fixed jaw but I have to baby sit my girlfriend for a few hours while she recovers from Knee replacement.


Thanks for looking


Jack

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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2020, 02:25:20 PM »
Dave

There is a set getting nice and aged.  They are on the aging shelf(s) with many more.  Never could turn down a set of castings.

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« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2020, 05:42:03 PM »
Somehow I missed this thread until now. Absolutely love these little vices and the quality of workmanship shown here makes them even more desirable! One day I'll order the castings!
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