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Atkinson Differential Engine
« on: November 06, 2017, 01:01:42 AM »
Here is my buddy Max's latest project, he still needs to build the display base but he does have it running nicely!
And he said this thing will never run!  :lolb:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZbaF23NmsM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZbaF23NmsM</a>

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 01:17:37 AM »
Fascinating motion, and a wonderful sound!

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 12:27:28 PM »
Dave, does Max have any detail pictures of the links to the crankshaft. Would love to see those if possible. Lovely engine though and is running beautifully!!!

Bill

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 04:21:44 PM »
That is quite mesmerizing to watch.  The motion is fascinating!
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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 05:59:12 PM »
Splendid  :praise2:  :praise2:

There have been a number of ways to meet Atkinsons criteria that the expansion (firing) stroke must be longer than the compression stroke. There was one in one of the German magazines using a single cylinder and a sort of modified Watt's parallel motion. Mazda cheat and just keep the inlet valve open after TDC  ::)
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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 01:16:31 AM »
Thanks Guys

Bill here are a couple pictures that I had, I will ask Max if he has a better picture of the crankshaft end. In one of the pictures you can see the link from the crank throw to the linkage arm.
This is a strange beast, it has poppet valves on both the intake and exhaust and neither one are operated mechanically.  The intake like on a lot of early engines is operated by vacuum; the exhaust is operated by pressure after the piston uncovers the port in the cylinder.

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 01:53:33 AM »
Thanks Dave. Great pictures and some very fine machine work too obviously!!

Bill

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 03:08:09 PM »
Splendid  :praise2:  :praise2:

There have been a number of ways to meet Atkinsons criteria that the expansion (firing) stroke must be longer than the compression stroke. There was one in one of the German magazines using a single cylinder and a sort of modified Watt's parallel motion. Mazda cheat and just keep the inlet valve open after TDC  ::)

Toyota Prius engine is also a Atkinson cycle engine. The engine's crank center line is a little offset from the cylinders and due to this, the stroke lengths are different.

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 03:57:52 PM »

... The engine's crank center line is a little offset from the cylinders...

Known as "desaxe". This wikipedia article says that Ford's flathead V8s had such an offset configuration, though I assume not Atkinson cycle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desaxe

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 04:32:14 PM »
My understanding of the Atkinson cycle is that all 4 cycles need to take place in one revolution of the crankshaft. I think these auto manufactures are just using the name to make people think think they have come up with a new and better product. I'm probably wrong but just my thoughts.

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 07:07:25 PM »
Another nice engine from Max, did he use the castings from David Perreault?

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 01:21:18 AM »
Thanks Jason

Yes, I believe that is who he purchased the castings from.

Bill here is a picture that shows the interesting links a little better.


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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 03:42:24 AM »
Dave,
I think that is one of the casting sets I will have to acquire at some point in the future when I'm more affluent. As my understanding is, You are right that the Atkinson stroke has all four strokes in one revolution. You must remember that engineers were twisting their brains into pretzels to beat Otto's copyrights on the four stroke engine. Atkinson's engines were quite efficient as I understand. But the the modern engines are really only trying to get the same effect as the Atkinson stroke within the constraints of their present engines, by the same tactic, engineering.
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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2017, 05:21:35 PM »
Here is a short video of the completed engine.
Also attached is a picture of the S&S ignition and battery back located in the base.

Dave


<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIJUGEQJlhU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIJUGEQJlhU</a>
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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2017, 07:58:45 PM »
That’s awesome Dave, Max does some superb work and nice runner.

Don

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2017, 08:18:21 PM »
Thanks Dave!  That is a neat job of hiding the ignition components in the base as well.

Bill

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2017, 12:27:06 PM »
Are castings available for this engine? I have the Gingery book but did not want to get into the casting shown in the book. I did a search for David Perreault but did not turn up anything on casting kits available. Any links to the kit?

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 03:48:39 PM »
Thanks guys.

Gordon, this is the contact info on the prints.
Dave Perreault
dav.perreault(at)gmail.com
603-686-3812

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2018, 01:49:18 PM »
Hi, this is Dave Perreault..... Totally agree, Max did an AWESOME job on this Atkinson Differential Engine build....  :cartwheel: 
Thanks Max

Yes, I still offer a casting kits.  The Atkinson that Max made and the second generation Atkinson my T-POT engine.
Both of these 10" flywheel engines are aluminum casting kits that come with about 80 pages of prints and pictures of the engine and the parts.
I also have made a print only package to make Mini Atkinson engines that are made of bar stock and have 4" flywheels. 80 page book.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Do a search on YouTube to find my channel to see my engines- "dave perreault atkinson differential engine casting kits"
or dav.perreault@gmail.com  :happyreader:
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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2018, 11:33:27 PM »
Dave- Max's engine sure runs sweet. So often they are seen buzzing away....this one nice and slow. And yes, the Atkinson cycle uses a longer swept power stroke than the intake. The longer power stroke extracts more work from the expanding gasses. The Toyota merely closes the intake valve early or opens it late to "in effect" do a similar thing.

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2018, 11:53:01 PM »
Dave & Paul

Thanks for looking in and also your nice comments.

Dave

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Re: Atkinson Differential Engine
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2020, 07:48:25 PM »
Still have Atkinson cycle casting kits available!
10" flywheel
dav.perreault@gmail.com

 

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