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Anzani 'Y' Engine
« on: July 14, 2017, 10:01:29 PM »
Saw a Anzani 'Y' engine (using the Les Chenery castings) advertised for sale in this months Model Engineers workshop, rang the seller yesterday, I was first caller, asked a few questions and today I collected a part completed Anzani 'Y' engine. ;D.  It came with full set of plans and all the issues of Model Engineer in which Les described the engine build.

This will take me well out of my comfort zone, lots of  :headscratch: and will be a long-term project I think.  Crankcase is machined and bearings fitted.  Cylinders fully machined and valve guides fitted, liners and pistons machined.  Rings made but need heat treatment.  Have all gears and bushes.  Crank 90 % made but has a slight bend issue  :(, (I was told about this) which I need to  see whether is resolvable or a piece of scrap.  I know its not the crankcase as a dummy crank spins freely.  This has no crank webs or big end.  It may be possible to use this as a base for a fabricated crankshaft and used pinned webs and big end.  Not sure how feasible this would be as oil feed holes are required through the first main bearing into the crank, up through the web, across the big end, down through the second web and into the second main bearing.  The pins might get in the way or weaken the crank.

Anyway I'm sure it will provide lots of fun and games over the next years or so, plus lots of bad language as I cock things up and lots of bits  :toilet_claw:

I was also able to pick up a number of small straight and taper reamers, D bits, long drills, small counterbores, chunk of Dural, a number of lengths of silver steel, all the jigs, mandrels and tools used to make the engine so far.  I was also give the first 29 issues of Model Engine Builder and some issues of Strictly IC.  So lots of reading matter as well.

I know Jo has the castings for this, I'm hoping others on here may have made this engine as I'm sure I will have lots of questions.

Colin


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Re: Anzani 'Y' Engine
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 05:57:27 AM »
Colin,
That sounds like a good catch. Should be a fun engine to build. Good luck and keep us informed on how it progresses.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 07:07:06 AM »
 :pics:

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 08:52:02 PM »
Jo asked for pictures, so here are a few:

Ouside view of front and rear of crankcase

Inside views of crankcase halves

Cylinder-Plug Side

Cylinder Top

Inside Cylinder

Cylinder Liner Piston

Crankcase-headbolts Cyinder/Liners/Piston

Crankcase-Cylinders assembled

Crankshaft and Dummy Crankshaft

All gears and Potchucks for machining


The crankshaft has a slight bend and the dummy shaft had been made to check bearing alignment (which was Ok).  Hoping against hope the crank might straighten.

This is going to be a long job.  Lots of fun and swearing I'm sure.

Colin


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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2017, 09:50:47 PM »
Great looking engine and I hope you keep us updated as the build progresses.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 12:42:55 AM »
Looks like a great project Colin, however long it takes!!   :popcorn:

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 07:33:01 AM »
They look nice  :naughty:. And you have the joys of making the piston rods still to go  :whoohoo:

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 10:08:48 AM »
Jo,

I think its the replacement crank that frightens me the most.  Unless I could do a built up one with the test crank.  But I think the pins cold be weakened by the oil feed holes running through the webs and big end.

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The popcorn will have gone off by the time I finish this.

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 10:15:45 AM »
That's a very good start Colin. The Con-rods are not too difficult you will need to make the jig to machine the big ends, there is another way but I used the jig.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 10:43:19 AM »

Some good looking Anzani parts there. Colin you have a very good starting point. I would attempt to try and straighten the crank in the lathe, mount one shaft in the staitionary chuck and press the high side of the other end with the cross slide to try and straighten it. You may get lucky, you cannot make it worse.

Mike, Can you tell me what grade/ specification material you used for the main and big end bearings?

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 11:18:37 AM »
Before you ask Colin: Yes there are a number of cylinder designs for the model:

Les did one piece castings for the cylinders for his engine.

The second cylinder design is a steel assembly, which involves some silver soldering, a separate cylinder/head which screw together and are based on a design that B Fairey did.

Mike's may be a third design  :noidea:

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 11:48:42 AM »
And if the lathe method of crank straightening does not works there are other ways ;)


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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 11:55:27 AM »
Jo
    Colin's cylinders are the original design by Les,which have a steel liner and a cast aluminum outer sleeve, your one piece design is made from steel and prefabricated and  came from Canada and my one piece cylinders are as per Anzani made of cast iron, the Anzani cylinders were cast and mine are machined from solid.

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 04:09:28 PM »
Mike, Thanks for the info

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 05:10:18 PM »
Jo
    Colin's cylinders are the original design by Les,which have a steel liner and a cast aluminum outer sleeve,

I knew that  ::).

Fairey's is a two piece design with separate head and cylinder (which is combined with the liner).  Which allows for ease of honing but I suspect challenges with alignment  :thinking:

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 06:08:03 PM »
Sorry Jo
      It's difficult working down the bore it's good job the valves are in line with the bore.



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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 04:14:55 PM »
Thanks for all the useful information Guys and Gal.  All help gratefully received.

Mike did you carve the inlet manifold from a solid block?

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2017, 06:32:48 PM »
Colin

            I made them from a castings, A made a pattern which give 3 elbos.

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 07:19:11 PM »
Mike,

Is there any possibility of buying a set of these casting from your good self at any point in the future.

Many Thanks,

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 07:48:50 PM »
:headscratch:

I thought that was where we were earlier in the week.  :noidea:

Edit: or do you mean just the elbows  :facepalm:

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2017, 08:06:07 PM »
Earlier in the week? It's only Monday today :headscratch:

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 10:27:31 PM »
Jo,

I was just asking about the elbows.  I sincerely hope I don't need the crankcase castings else I have made a giant mess of things.

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2017, 09:30:54 AM »
Colin

        Yes I can do just the Elbows, no problem.

         How about one of these as well.

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2017, 09:53:07 AM »
He is incorrigible  ::).

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2017, 11:03:15 AM »
Mike,

I think I'll settle for just the elbows at the moment.  I'd love to think I might get to the stage of building the 6 cylinder version, but it will not be soon.  I think you should be able to sell Jo a few more sets, she likes to build things in triplicate.  I need to retire.  I've just had four weeks with next to no work after 7 days a week since November.  I'm getting use to not rushing round the country or chopping up metres of Unistrut to make brackets for wireless access points.

Can you PM me with details regarding payment for the elbows.

Thanks,

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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2017, 04:30:09 PM »
Well I said it would be a slow job.

Bought the inlet manifold castings off Mike.  Very entertaining time trying to mark out the little things.  Marked them all up as one casting with the three manifolds and machined the face to the cylinder and the face for the inlet pipe. and then drilled the two fixing hols per manifold.

Trying to shape the castings to the drawing was fiddly due to small size, so I cheated a bit.  I copied the  manifold drawing, cut it out and fixed it to a piece of 1/8" plate and filed a master pattern of the shape.  Was then able to fix this to the casting and shape casting using small linisher and files.



Whilst waiting for a 1/4" ball end cutter I made up a jig to support each manifold to machine out the inlet tracts.  The jig is shown on the Cowells mill with one manifold attached.  The plan is to bore down the casting (without breaking through the bottom or side 1/4" dia then a short counterbore of 5/16" dia 3/16 deep.



Remove the manifold turn the jig on its side and mount the manifold so the radiused side sits in the slot machined in the jig.  With a bit of luck the heads of the fixing bolts will sit in the 'T' slots of the mill.  As I type this I've just realised I should have tapped the fixing holes rather than making them 6BA clearance.  Oh well saved by the 'T' slot.

A hopefully useful piece of steel also followed me home today.





Wants a bit of a clean up and need to source a few bits.

Colin

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2017, 05:04:44 PM »
 :Love: that looks very useful. What other gadgets came with it.

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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2017, 07:09:47 PM »
Wow what a handy and pretty little mill. Must have been a love at first sight  :Love:

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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2017, 10:27:04 PM »
Jo,
Unfortunately, not lots as the seller also has an F1.  Primarily he used this machine for cutting gears for clocks and specialised injector nozzles for power station boilers.  Has suds pump, couple of the support arms with tailstock brackets, spare circular table (or whatever you call it) for vice, spare body to convert to vertical mill, few collets.  He has spare castings for these and the tailstock.  Both the F12 and F1 had originally been owned by the same person.  If you have a source for some collets I would be interested.  He is going to machine a few parts up for it for me and also for his F1.  It is the same guy who is after a 4 jaw chuck for his Hardinge lathe.

Perry, yes I think so.  It needs a good clean and maybe a repaint, runs nicely with very little backlash.

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2017, 09:26:06 AM »
W12 are the Schaublin collets that fit in the spindle. F1 is the type of Aciera mill.

Could you take photos of the other bits that came with it and I could provide the correct names for them...

W12's are available new  :paranoia:

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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2017, 12:22:07 PM »
I have just found out the Chinese do W12 to ER11 collet conversions.... Why you would want to I am not sure  :headscratch:

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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2017, 12:31:04 PM »
I suppose if you already  have a full set of ER then it saves having to buy a full set of w12 and you can also hold sizes not covered by W12 which are size specific.

Much the same as me using an ER converter in my 5C chuck & indexer

Also really no different to people using an ER collet holder in a MT or R8 spindle when they could just use a collet direct into the spindle
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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2017, 12:54:23 PM »
Using lots of Chinese adapters is a process sometimes called "the accumulation of adverse tolerances :noidea:"

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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2017, 01:16:31 PM »
Well I'm happy to accumulate Chinese machines and tooling, seems to give me engines that run so the 0.0003" TIR on the collet holder and 0.0004" on the tool can't be that much of an issue :) As the saying goes it's not what you have got, it's what you do with it :embarassed:

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« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2017, 01:33:17 PM »
We all use tooling made in China.  At the price they ask, who could resist.  Most of it is excellent quality but there is some rubbish out there as well.

It pays to buy from a reputable dealer (who will replace if necessary) rather than go for the cheapest deal on the net.

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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2017, 01:40:18 PM »
It is the loss of head room that is the problem.

It is not appropriate to compare the accuracy of a watchmaker's mill to a hobby machine: The Aciera is designed to hold accumulative tolerance across the lead screws, table, column and tooling to a greater accuracy than 0.01mm.

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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2017, 01:55:44 PM »
It is the loss of head room that is the problem.

Isn't that the same for all machines? yet 100s of people use ER chucks on MT and R8 machines rather than direct collets.  99% of the time I will use the ER collet holder in my mill as its easy and versatile but when head height becomes an issue such as working on a large casting I will reach for the MT collets. Conversly I have been known to use a smaller and longer ER collet holder where I need to reach down further than I would be able to with a short tool held in the spindle with out crashing teh spindle into the work or clamps.

And if you have got large parts to machine where you are going to need the head room why do them on a watch makers machine in the first place? You would not try and machine the Mery on your sexy would you.
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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2017, 02:17:08 PM »
The F1 is has a smaller working area (100mm cube) than Sexy and is overall a lighter machine. An ER11 on the Horizontal would loose the collet height off the working area. On the vertical there is a bit of leeway due to where the spindle is clamped in the bracket.

It is nice to have a small milling machine to do small work and a big milling machine to do big stuff. Especially when they are silky smooth like Swiss machine tools  :embarassed:

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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2017, 03:12:37 PM »
Well that started an interesting discussion.  Until I can locate a suitable selection of W12 collets I think the idea of an W12 to ER11 collet adaptor sounds a good idea (a quick hit).  Those extremely lucky souls (Jo   :LittleDevil:) who have millions of everything obviously have no need.  The ER11 collets could always be used on one of my other machines.  Jo, please can you point me in the direction of said adaptor, just done a quick google but did not see/could not find and reference to them.

Jo, proper nomenclature for the following bits would be appreciated.


My colleague has spares of the item above and also the tailstock? on the support below



He is also manufacturing a couple of the item below.



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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2017, 03:22:42 PM »
Photo 1: Dividing Head main body.

Photo 2: Dividing Head Tailstock.

(Those two I could be interested in for Sexy  ;) )

Those W12 collets in France will sell for a lot more than they are currently asking  ::)

I was only allowed a set of the standard sizes that fit tooling with Sexy but he does have a few spare blank arbours. The 3/8th collet is useful as it will let you mount other stuff.

Edit: Sorry I would start with the usual Chinese tool market places and do a search. My Supplier knows they exist.

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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2017, 04:19:28 PM »
one on e-bay with a set of ER collets went for £90, there are a couple of results on google if you search "schaublin er16 adaptor"

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« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2017, 07:01:48 PM »
Jo, Jason,

Thanks for your suggestions.  I will keep looking on Ebay.

Jo,
If your interested in a Dividing head main body and tailstock I will find out the cost from my colleague.

Would your supplier part with a spare arbor or possibly two.  If so how much would they be.

Thank you.

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PS machine looks a lot better for a good clean.

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« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2017, 07:22:22 PM »
If your interested in a Dividing head main body and tailstock I will find out the cost from my colleague.

Would your supplier part with a spare arbor or possibly two.  If so how much would they be.

I fear that the price would be far higher than I would be willing to pay: I made up my own patterns for the tilting table and they worked out as £20 a piece.

I did mention it to my supplier today and he was not enthusiastic as he has 5 Schaublin 70s which each need a full set and he does not know what he has  :facepalm: He suggested you will be paying about £12 to £15 per collet  :paranoia:

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« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2017, 09:13:59 PM »
Rod,

Unfortunately the auction has just ended.  The seller is quite close to me and I've bought bits off him before.  I could have driven over and checked them out.

Thanks for the thought.

Will keep looking.

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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2017, 09:48:03 PM »
That's a shame, they were on a buy it now.  I hope somebody else from the forum didn't nip in  :o

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« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2017, 07:24:05 AM »
Someone got a bargain   :wallbang:

Colin I would try to pick up the standard tool holding W12 sizes first: 1/8", 1/4" 3/8" & 6mm, 8mm, 10mm

Do you have the Standard vertical support?

And is that dividing head support the right diameter to act as an overarm support for horizontal work? If so you could look to make a longer horizontal arbour and use a different thread on the end and make a second draw bar for it.

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« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2017, 03:12:51 PM »
Jo,

No standard vertical support, but the dividing head support would work.

Yes the dividing head support arm works as the horizontal overarm support.

I have asked for the cost of the two bits you might be interested in.  Hopefuly can get them low enough for you.

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« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2017, 03:58:03 PM »
So for now you only have a horizontal mill... See if you can get your mate to get a casting made of his one they are like rocking horse Doo-Das to find ::) it looks like the motor arrangement will also power a vertical head. 

So you will need two support arms one for the dividing head and another for horizontal cutting. As I mentioned Horizontal work does not usually use W12 collets you need milling arbours and there was a guy in Germany who every now and then does a batch (with the original expensive threads) and puts them on Fleabay for a reasonable price (<£30 each). But you do not need to use the Aciera drawbar you can make your own and knock up your own milling arbours much cheaper.

If you go horizontal think about using one of those supports with a bronze bush in it to support the other end of the arbour and put a nut on the outside  ;).  Also think slitting saw arbour for doing screw heads.

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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2017, 05:18:09 PM »
Jo,

My mate used it as a horizontal machine for cutting gears for clocks.  He had never used it as a vertical mill.

Yes the motor support arm swings down and then will drive the spindle in vertical position.  It is designed to self align to whichever set of pulleys is in use and no matter what position the headstock is in.

I do have two of the support bars, both with the tailstocks, although only one has a centre at the moment.

I did assemble the spare dividing head main body with the spindle and its would work for vertical milling in the absence of the std. vertical support.

I will hopefully have 1 arbor threaded M14 x1 for small chucks.  I will also have a spare of the item in my third photo (round plate with 35mm spindle), so one will be used for a small milling vice and the other for the small 2.75" rotary table I have.

My mate uses the base bars from watchmakers lathes as support bars, either a flat topped one or a stepped one so can swing slightly bigger chuck etc.

Colin

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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2017, 05:51:20 PM »
Sounds positive  :)

My Supplier and I were just arguing as to if you could use that bracket to convert it into vertical milling. He has also found another  :ShakeHead: two boxes of W12 collets: the challenge is to get him to sort them all out and work out what he needs and what are spares. He is off to Bristol for the next three days. If you go to the show then visit the IC Engine Builders' Group stand and ask for Eric and plead your need .....

Jo

P.S. Don't plead too much or the price might go up  :facepalm: ... tell him of the nice Anzani you are looking to build and how you need the collets to help build it. You can also say hello to Mike who provided those elbows for your Anzani ;)
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2017, 06:54:27 PM »
Jo,

Bristol sounds a good idea.  I've just got a pass-out for the day.  Wife is a Dep. Dir in NHS and suddenly has to be on call so needs to be close to phone and home.

Will go and have a chat to Eric and Mike.  I think I met Eric once with you at the Midland Show 3 or 4 years ago.

I spoke to the guy who had those collets on Ebay.  They were paid for last night and posted this morning.  As you said someone had a very good buy.  I don't think he realised quite what he was selling.

Thank you,

Colin

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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2017, 04:15:43 PM »
Had a good day at Bristol show.  Had a good chat to Eric and Mike, had a good look at Mikes 'W' Anzani, and met Cherry Hill (an amazing lady).

Bought more than intended, oh dear!

My mate who came down with me sourced some parts for his Hardinge lathe he had been looking for a couple of years.

Good day in all with lots of wonderful models  and tools to look at.

Will certainly go again.

Colin

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« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2017, 06:08:12 PM »
Manifolds set up on jig to bore out the mounting flange side of manifold



First little bits completed.



Gave up trying to counterbore the flanges after finding out that one very tight bolt was not enough to withstand the 6mm milling cutter :facepalm:.  The resultant gouges were luckily small and filed/polished out.  Oh well live and learn.

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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2017, 09:57:04 PM »
Thought I'd have a go at Jo's favourite occupation...... making studs >:D.

Making the rear studs its says they should be 4BA 3/4" long.  They are going into a 1/4" deep hole and have a plate fitted over them which is 3/32" thick.  To my mind this makes them around 3/16" too long.  Am I missing something  :headscratch: or is this a slight typo in the plans.

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« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2017, 10:04:17 PM »
Previous post I said I was going to start on studs.  So I tried just using tailstock die holder and turning chuck on the Cowells ME90 by hand. :ThumbsDown:

Not a good method.  I was following Jo's treatise on stud making but quickly came to the conclusion a mandrel handle was required.  Okay so make a tool to make a bit.

Not the prettiest I'm sure but it fits and turns.



Just need time to make studs now.  Trouble is a complete rewire of daughters new house, helping plumber, gas man, plasterer and making walls is going to get in the way, plus work and a 96 year old father does not leave lots of time.

Colin

PS got the Midland Show to see in a couple of weeks, so not helping her that weekend.

PPS used to add photos using Dropbox Public Link, but since they have stopped not quite sure best way to do this.
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2017, 03:54:05 PM »
I have setup and account on Coppermine and added a single picture to test.  It works  :whoohoo:  but what do I need to do to enable the picture to be expanded when a viewer clicks on it. Being a bit presumptuous and hoping someone might like a better look. :lolb:

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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2017, 04:54:03 PM »
Colin, at what size did you upload the picture to Coppermine? I am thinking you may have uploaded a thumbnail so there is nothing to enlarge.

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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2017, 05:48:25 PM »
Bill,

Thank you.  When I looked at the link I could see it said thumbnail. Now replaced link and it says Normal.  Still does not expand.  What am I missing.

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« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2017, 05:58:19 PM »
Colin, my thinking is that Coppermine will act much like PhotoBucket did before they banned third parts hosting, meaning that the coppermine pictures are intended to be put withing the text and not as attachments at the end. Your picture does now show up larger. The small thumbnails that expand when clicked on are a function of the forum software in the case where pictures are attached at the end of the post and not inline with the text.

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