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Offline Dave Otto

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Re: Zee's Shop Beginnings
« Reply #330 on: March 18, 2017, 10:02:11 PM »
These are the ones that I used; they have gone up in price. I seem to remember paying around $10.00 each for them. The amount of light they put out compared to the old florescent tubes is quit surprising; half the wattage too. I purchased 4 tubes at first and changed out a couple fixtures; I was hooked and ordered enough to upgrade all my fixtures.

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« Reply #331 on: March 18, 2017, 10:10:59 PM »
Well certainly you all have me worried. But there's nothing that can't be fixed.

Keep in mind, however many lights are on the ceiling, I'll nearly always be between them and the thing I'm looking at.  ;D
Even if they're directly above the work space.

Task lighting is a must regardless.

@Dave...at this point I don't know the specifics of the ceiling lights.
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« Reply #332 on: March 18, 2017, 10:11:18 PM »
I agree with Dave, at 61, I can't get enough light. By the way Dave I love the plumb bob collection.
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« Reply #333 on: March 18, 2017, 10:16:24 PM »
Sorry to have opened this lighting can o worms but I am guessing your contractor is either 43 years old or doesn't work on very small stuff.
At 64 years old I could have a room full of klieg lights and I would still have a couple of high intensity lamps on each side of my head!  And it doesn't seem like it has been that long sinse I could rebuild a watch in a closet with no lights at all.

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« Reply #334 on: March 18, 2017, 10:34:30 PM »
I've rigged lights in about a dozen shops now, four of which were my personal spaces. I learned long ago to put the lights very close to the walls, maybe a foot from the wall. Excellent light, no shadows. Other lights in the middle of the room and then local task lighting at machines and special places. Stick with the warm white spectrum as the intense blue bit of the spectrum put out by the bright white will drive your eyes nuts. I avoided LED's until the warm whites became available.

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« Reply #335 on: March 18, 2017, 10:55:26 PM »
Well certainly you all have me worried. But there's nothing that can't be fixed.

Keep in mind, however many lights are on the ceiling, I'll nearly always be between them and the thing I'm looking at.  ;D
Even if they're directly above the work space.

Task lighting is a must regardless.

@Dave...at this point I don't know the specifics of the ceiling lights.

You've got that right Zee! Even with all the lights I have, there are still areas without enough light.  :shrug:

If you're anything like me, you'll find that where you thought machines and benches might be, won't be where they'll actually gravitate to. Once things settle down, you can deal with fine tuning the lighting.

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« Reply #336 on: March 18, 2017, 11:04:47 PM »


Once things settle down, you can deal with fine tuning the lighting.

Jim

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« Reply #337 on: March 18, 2017, 11:23:36 PM »
Excellent. I think that problem has been well illuminated.  :lolb:
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Re: Zee's Shop Beginnings
« Reply #338 on: March 19, 2017, 12:10:01 AM »
Excellent. I think that problem has been well illuminated.  :lolb:

Yes it has, we have determined that you will be working in the shadows.  :lolb:


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« Reply #339 on: March 19, 2017, 01:48:07 AM »
Excellent. I think that problem has been well illuminated.  :lolb:

Yes it has, we have determined that you will be working in the shadows.  :lolb:


Dave

But Dave..........look at the "BRIGHT"  :ROFL: side..............at least he won't be working in the dark!  :LittleDevil:

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Re: Zee's Shop Beginnings
« Reply #340 on: March 19, 2017, 12:15:21 PM »
Excellent. I think that problem has been well illuminated.  :lolb:

Yes it has, we have determined that you will be working in the shadows.  :lolb:


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I'd rather be in the shadows than the spotlight.  ;D
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Re: Zee's Shop Beginnings
« Reply #341 on: March 19, 2017, 12:23:13 PM »

I'd rather be in the shadows than the spotlight.  ;D
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« Reply #342 on: March 19, 2017, 05:56:58 PM »
I agree with put the lights near the walls so they are over the benches and the machines. Lights in the middle just cast awkward shadows.
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Re: Zee's Shop Beginnings
« Reply #343 on: March 19, 2017, 06:33:05 PM »
I agree with put the lights near the walls so they are over the benches and the machines. Lights in the middle just cast awkward shadows.

That actually brings up a point/question. So far I've talked about where the mill and lathe would go (along the west wall) but I'm not set on that yet.
Having the lathe against the wall makes sense (so far) but I'm not convinced on the mill.

In my current basement shop (such as it is), I have an L shaped work area. One leg is against (parallel to) the wall where the lathe is. The other other leg sticks out into the room and has the mill on it. This allows me to easily get behind the mill. I've found this fairly convenient particularly when tramming, cleaning, modifying, etc.

I suspect I won't know the arrangement of the machines until I have some of the other equipment in place, figure out storage and work spaces.

Then I can modify or, rather, add lighting as needed.

As to the question...any thoughts on arrangement of machines? Against a wall? In a corner? Away from walls? I'm sure many solutions are a function of what space is available, placement of doors and windows, etc. But if you had your druthers...what would you prefer?

I think the idea of lights near the walls make sense but I'm not convinced it's a solution. My head, not to mention the mill head, will cast shadows.

Task lighting will be needed no matter what the configuration of the ceiling lights.

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Re: Zee's Shop Beginnings
« Reply #344 on: March 19, 2017, 06:43:16 PM »
On mill placement, one thing I have had to do a number of times was to have one end of a long bar sticking out the side, off the mill table, while milling or drilling at the end. Comes up a lot on frame rails of vehicle models. I'd want the space on both sides of the mill for a few feet of bar stock.

And on the lathe, space for a bar to stick back through the headstock.

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