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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2016, 07:57:39 PM »
Aw shucks,  now y'all done got me wanting to melt some plastic.  To be honest I've been more interested in the 3d drawing.  I always enjoyed the mechanical type and I always worked from isometric piping drawings back when I had a real job. As Tom said;  I want to keep continuing to challenge what gray matter that I have, well what the 70s and 80s didn't erode  :lolb:. Now,  by being able to draw "it" and then push a button and see "it",  that's some pretty neat sh😈t to an old redneck,  I don't care if it's just a keyring.  I'm 56 and with today's rate of technologically in industry,  I can almost image when my grandfather thought when he watched Neil on the Moon.  I think any of us who can explore it should.  OK,  it's Friday and that's my rant  :lolb:

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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2016, 08:23:07 PM »
For those that have 3d experience ... any words of wisdom on these?

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B015IHMOSK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2UHE58S2974CT&psc=1

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Offline Tin Falcon

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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2016, 12:18:31 AM »
They are out of there minds.
Very similar kit that I build Mine  was  about Half the money.

you can get a decent pre assembled Prusa I3  for $400 https://printedsolid.com/collections/3d-printers

The kit I built Here https://folgertech.com/products/folger-tech-reprap-2020-prusa-i3-full-aluminum-3d-printer-kit

If I were to put out$ 500 for a kit it would be this onehttps://folgertech.com/collections/3d-printer-full-kits/products/folger-tech-ft-5-large-scale-3d-printer-kit




I have dealt with Printed solid on several occasions the owner is as close to an expert on 3d printing as you will find he has tested every printer type he sells and a bunch he does not sell . He is an engineer with a Masters in material science. contact him and you will get an honest answer to any question. I have also met the folks at FT they are a small american family business.
I would never purchase a 3d printer kit from china.  To be fair the FT parts are sourced from china but ships from the USA.
At the price they sell these kits for there is not much QC so expect a few il fitting parts maybe a part missing , 1 or two poor quality  and some extra parts included some on purpose and maybe a couple not intentional.  But consider this part of the adventure. Also expect FT will take care of issues . It may take a few e-mails and some persistance.

I chose to start with a pre-built printer before building one. It also seems this hobby is a bit addictive and folks find 3d printers are like potato chips hard to have just one. After all you need one working to fix the one you are fixing or upgrading. Hope this helps  Will be glad to answer any 3dp questions you have.


The articles I have seen of people building Thehictop printer the results have not been great lots of issues and pitfalls.
Also if you decide you like the FT kits there is a Facebook group you can juin there is a an %11 off code you can use against the price of the kits.
Tin
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2016, 01:24:57 AM »
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To be honest I've been more interested in the 3d drawing.
It would be my suggestion you download and try

123Ddesign. It is a Autodesk product of autoCAD fame. It is a new fresh product aimed at the beginner /hobbyist. It is free for non commercial use . It is well documented well supported and frequently updated. IMHO easier to learn than a lot of CAD programs you can enter real dimensions so well suited for mechanical parts. The program will not produce 2d dimensioned drawings but will produce nice 3d models. Available for windows,MAC and ipad.
this is not a limited use for XX days or crippleware it is usable free software inted to get people started in 3d design. Of course AD has lots of nicer more powerful programs to sell as well.
Tn


http://www.123dapp.com/design

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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2016, 11:26:44 AM »
Very good information Tin. I am in Canada and the link I showed was from a Canadian Supplier. Most of the price difference is exchange rate and import duties, otherwise it would be almost the same as the US one. Everything we buy is like that.

I will do some more reading.

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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2016, 12:21:53 PM »
Ok Then Maybe not totally crazy then . As far as the Wahao Idea there is a  supplier in calgary that sells that one :

http://spool3d.ca/wanhao-duplicator-i3-v2/

So down to the bolts nitty gritty. The prusa i3 is a popular proven open source design from Josef Prusa.  As an open source many 3d printing companies have produced there own version of the printer or own version of the kit.

With any kit there are the risks I mentioned above. The missing misfit parts etc. The other risk is poor documentation  and poor product support from the seller.   

So the question here are you prepared to build this with nothing more than a basic guide and source any replacement parts on your own. and do you have the KSA to troubleshoot the kit once assembled.


OK not all doom gloom here.as i metioned lots of variations of the kit. What I would look for

In your case canadian supplier with a good rep for customer service, and good documentation.
A solid metal frame. 
good lead screws on the z axis something the Wahao has.
Metal bearing holders on the bed and extruder.
G2 belting

a layer cooling fan.

The auto level feature is something some folks like others do not. They can be problematic. But when they work it saves time  and the beds do sometimes move. The main disadvantage is you can not print on glass. you need an aluminum build plate to activate the proximity switch so you spend more on bed film.


If you are serious about this I suggest You  join http://www.soliforum.com/I am a member there as well.
If you have a good base knowledge in mechanics and electronics  you should be able to build any kit you buy. And with help of the fold here and at soliforum  you can find the resources you need to overcome  any shortcoming in the kit.
Most of the low end kits and printers have a marginal quality hot end and extruder. . And most folks who are serious about printing upgrade to an ED3 v6 hotend with newly released titan extruder. these upgrades will likely run you about $200 but nothing wrong with doing this later if you want.
FYI it took me about Two days to assemble my kit and another two weeks part time to sort out the bugs and get it running.
Tin
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2016, 02:29:24 PM »
Thanks Again Tin

I have joined that forum (waiting to be accepted as well as the one at Yahoo Groups. A lot to read and learn.

The shop in Calgary is out of stock, but that does seem to be a good one. I will read some more and make a decision this weekend.

Tom
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2016, 02:55:07 PM »
I have started at the bottom and rebuilt cheaper machines too many times, so this time I am going to spend a bit more in the beginning and perhaps not have to do too much upgrading. 

This is my choice and I will likely pull the trigger tomorrow.  It seems to be all metal frame, able to use a lot of different filaments, has good temp range and speed range as well as use open source software. It should keep me busy for quite a while.

http://spool3d.ca/wanhao-duplicator-i3-plus/

Tom
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2016, 05:29:53 PM »
should be good as a starter machine and last a while.  I like the fact is has decent lead screws and a layer fan. Good temperature range is important . if you want to print gears or other real parts higher temps and the ability to print nylon is an important feature.
See you have been accepted at soliforum . IMHO a great resource for learning 3d printing.

Tin

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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2016, 09:10:05 PM »
The machine will be on it's way Monday. Now, I get to do a bunch of learning (or trying to). I also just downloaded of 123Design. Methinks I need a wee dram of some of that amber liquid from Scotland.

Tom
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2016, 09:33:39 PM »
Excellent news congrats on your first printer.
The quick start tips should help you get going
you can now print or save the help document aka manual .
the ? on the top right  will give your help menu, top left main menu.

just do not consume the scottish amber while practicing calculus. We would not want you to drink and derive LOL.
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2016, 09:37:10 PM »
errr ... GROAN   :ROFL:
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2016, 10:09:44 PM »
There are decent you tube videos to get you started

hope this helps


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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GgOKlbFkA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GgOKlbFkA</a>
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2016, 10:17:00 PM »
Chuck, I apologize for high jacking your thread so badly. We now return to our regular programing.

Tom
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Re: Nicely priced 3D Printer
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2016, 12:17:02 AM »
Not a problem.  This is a good discussion on 3D printers  :)

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