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Sterling 60 and other things
« on: August 18, 2012, 04:57:50 PM »
Hi,I don't know why but I cannot just stick to one build at a time must be some attention defect disorder or just an unruly mind :insane:
I had started on an E T Westbury Robbo but have hit the wall for now just need some materials and check out some dimensions and watching the paint dry on the steam launch Victoria was boring :Lol:


So a start was made on the the Sterling 60 as iv been fancying building it for some time

The first cut of a new project is always some thing special :Lol:
The pillars for the upper table are just simple turning jobs but I did decide to use studs instead of threading the ends

Next up the main pillar for the beamthis is in two parts as I'm a tight wads and didn't want to turn all that 1inch brass down

The slot and cylinder mounting pin holes were done on the mill

just a shot of the parts made

Then the attention disorder kicked in Iv been liking at this little swarf catcher for a while and though it maybe a worth while  add on

Cheers back soon
frazer
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 06:26:17 PM »
Nice start Frazer!!

I seem to be suffering from the same disease!
3 projects in various stages of completion, another few lined up as well...

I need to focus on he one and get it completes for a friend before September!

Looking forward to the Stirling 60!!

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 08:56:54 PM »
Hi Andrew ,Glad to see a fellow sufferer :Lol:
The casting for the swarf tray was quite nice so just gave it a quick file up and a rub on the surface plate well just a cheap stone place matt thing as I wont use abrasives on my surface plate


must say it cleaned up very easily,Then set it up on the mill to machine the reference and mounting faces

Then spot faced and drilled the mounting hole

Quickly made up the mounting bolt and gave it a try before making the front felt wiper Wow no swarf on the front of the bed
well it amused me




Once the felt wiper was fitted the unit was given a coat of paint but make sure its oil proof :ShakeHead:
Never mind its going to get well used any how .Was it worth the effort upto now I think so as it keeps the ways clean and spreads a nice thin coat of oil along the ways

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 10:33:59 AM »
Nice job on the swarf tray Frazer. Your lathe sure has a nice paint job

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 01:23:08 PM »
Now I understand. Nifty.
I wasn't sure what it was earlier.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 08:06:36 PM »
Hi Steve,The lathe is a Myford refurb one of the last bought from the sell of so I cannot take any credit for the paint other than the chips
Hi Carl,Sorry to have had you baffled but hell why not thats how I live my life :Lol:
After the chip/swarf tray diversion the upper half of the beam pillar was made and just needs the slot and a bit of loctite once every thing is in position

The parts made so far

Next up is the main bearing holder but I had a problem with a cheap collet chuck 6thou run out  :censored:and that's after having it replaced twice so onto a cunning plan
Amandrel was turned up and a collet fitted to clock in the taper


The chuck was then bored true and after a little adjustment a collet was blued up to check the taper

The chuck was then tested using several sizes of Stubbs and the max run out is now about 2tenths of a thou more than good enough for me although it could be better but I don't have a tool post grinder but a least its now a usable bit of kit instead of collecting dust.
Well that's about it sorry theres not a lot of the Sterling 60 but I did say in the title and other things.
Thanks to all for looking in any hints and tips gratefully appreciated and please excuse my rather dire written skills
kind regards
frazer

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 01:33:46 AM »
I'm enjoying following your thread Frazer, the diversions add a little more spice to it


I cannot take any credit for the paint other than the chips

Well the Chips add character don't they?  :o
Looks like you picked up a nice lathe  :cheers:

Steve

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2012, 11:17:26 PM »
Hi Steve,the chips certainly add character but the air tends to turn blue :Lol:I'm just trying to keep her in good nick as I will never be able to afford another but she is a bonny colour :Lol:

After sorting the collet chuck it was put straight to use finishing the main bearing mount and a start made on the candle holder another simple step turning job but I now think I need to make a carrage stop just didn't realise how much I used the one on the old lathe another project perhaps :ShakeHead:




The parts to date the top of the candle holder is alloy as I didnt have any brass so needs must
At this stage my long term build has sneaked into frame as the undercoat was dry she was given a quick lick of paint but she also needed some fitting so time for another little diversion
A simple form tool was made using a bit of gauge plate simply drilled and reamed a 1/8 hole at about a 15 degree angle and filled the form then gave it a quick hardening sorry didn't bother to temper it

The fittings were then cross drilled and worked out OK I think


I also needed to make some 1/8 door knobs so the same form tool was used at a slightly different angle and 10 knobs turned from some old brazing rods  made a few spares as the little black hole under the bench is shure to claim a few but here they are

Then a few extra ribs for Victoria and a coat of paint for Miss America



Well that's me up to date bet you re confused but that's the way I work :insane:
best wishes to all
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Re: Sterling 60 and other things
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2012, 11:21:01 PM »
Oops missed this picy for the form tool


Introducing Victoria

Well I did say and other things
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 12:24:05 AM »
Heh, I just got one of those collet chucks for my Emco (which has a Myford-style thread), from RDG Tools. I had about 1.5 thou of runout, so I re-bored mine too!

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2012, 02:20:58 AM »
Yea, I just ordered a ER32 collet chuck from RDG for my Myford. Are they any good?
Frazier that launch look awesome, I love it.

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2012, 02:51:22 AM »
Not sure exactly where you're going Frazer, but can see where you've been and it's pretty darn cool. The form tool's a real beauty.

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 04:14:37 AM »
Yea, I just ordered a ER32 collet chuck from RDG for my Myford. Are they any good?

Hi Don

I'm pretty happy with it for the price, and after boring out a thou or two (the longest part of which is getting the cross-slide set to the right angle), it's close enough for me.

I can't for the life of me figure out what tool fits into the holes on the body, to tighten it up on the spindle. I assume it's a hook-shaped wrench (spanner); is it just the same as a one-toothed ER32 nut spanner?

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 11:01:54 AM »
Nice launch Frazier....I have a soft spot for them too!

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2012, 11:27:26 AM »
Nice work Frazer!
Love the lathe too... Sometimes wish my ML7 would magically transform over night... :stir:

In the second set of pics, third one down you have a copper tube with one silver and one green end and some knurling.
What is it?
Looks like it might hold small things?

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 06:06:32 PM »
Hi Don as Simon mentioned once the run out was put right the collet chuck is OK for the money
Hi Steve,some times its nice not knowing where I'm going it would just worry me.
Hi Dave ,Iv seen the pics of you re Fantail :NotWorthy: :NotWorthy: I enjoy making toy steam boats at least it gives the engines some thing to do.
Simon I just use a plain bit of bar in the holes to remove the chuck I think you may be right some C spanner
Hi Andrew,its my knocker bar just a bit of copper about 1inch dia tapped M12 and an alloy head and a plastic head its just handy for knocking things into align I'm to heavy handed for a hammer
Many thanks for the kind comments I'm trying to keep on track but the paint on Miss Americe crazed so today Victoria had her internals primed and a good tidy up well tidy ish
best wishes to all
frazer
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2012, 08:41:22 PM »
Sorry for the long delay in updating this build or that should be these builds .Time at the moment is in short supply so sorry again but theres no blow by blow account just a quick run through at the same time theres nothing startling to give a detailed account about
Miss America was finally painted at long last

My grandson has taken quite a shine to her so another build is underway :facepalm: the idea to do a full build log with drawings for toy steam forum we will see :Lol:
A start has been made on the boiler the engine will be long he lines of Crackers



Victoria is coming on slowly.She now has a coat of gloss and a cab and the deck fitting are on and the gas tank is ready to solder





The sterling 60 is also slowly moving on and a first trial assembly of the build so far

Not all plain sailing :Lol:

Guess who forgot again :hammerbash:to subtract 1/2 the touch bar dia what a muppet or should that be crapsvill
But hey it happens :Lol:
Thats about it apologise offered again for the lack of detail but as Ive mentioned time is short and also I do lack the ability to communicate well
Thanks for looking and good luck with you re builds
frazer

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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2012, 08:56:43 PM »
That is all looking super !!  :cheers:
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2012, 09:12:30 PM »
That is all looking super !!  :cheers:
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2012, 11:04:21 PM »
Glad you gave an update.
Looks really really good.
May we expect a boating video?
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2012, 12:43:51 AM »
Nice!

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2012, 09:26:51 AM »
Ooooohhhh....... Frazer!!     ...... I've found you!  :whoohoo:

How did I miss all this?  :facepalm:  Where have I been? 

That's a lovely lathe, and all the other bits and pieces.   

Too much to comment on, at the moment. I'm off for another read through.  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2012, 10:05:12 AM »
Great stuff there frazer, very cool

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2012, 05:36:29 PM »
Good going Frazer!

Very nice copper work as well.  I'm curious,  are the holes in the boiler shells for a filler and steam dome ?  Are you going to add a flue, or just heat the boilers from below ?

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2012, 09:04:46 PM »
Thanks for the kind replies they are appreciated
 Hi Karl, for you a video will be done but don't hold you're breath theres a long way to go as the cab needs trimming out with seats,table, gramophone and a bottle of gin for her ladyship but she is close to her first float test when the superior being is absent and its taken two years to get to this stage :Lol:
Hi David, they left a gap under the door so I sneaked in :Lol: and thanks for the sterling info :ThumbsUp:
Hi Arnold, the boilers are just simple pot ones and will be spirit fired as per the original toy boats from below. You are correct one is a steam dome and the other a filler that houses the safety valve.She will be a close ish copy of the original Bowman toy from the 1920s I just cannot stop making these simple boats I also own some of the originals but as they are nearly 80 years old I am a bit reluctant to sail them in open waters so tend to knock up a re-pro or two .My grandson now has a good collection as he seems to claim them  :Lol:.One of these days I will get back to some serious model making but do enjoy building simple toys :Lol:
Many thanks to all
frazer

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 10:02:45 PM »
Another episode on the builds but a least this time it is the sterling60
The cylinders are just simple turning but the problems I had are that in the U.K the test tubes made by Pyrex are a lot thicker walled than those specified so the power cylinder dia was reduced to 3/16 and the displacer made with the same clearance with an Id of 11mm and an O.D od 12.46mm I changed the design slightly as I wasn't to happy to glue every thing up as per drawing
I can do a C.O.D if any one needs the info?

The displacer was also made from alloy to save weight and also altered to remove another glued joint or two

At the first attempt she would not run due to a slight tight spot on one of the links
On the second go  :whoohoo: :whoohoo: :Lol:

So she now needs stripping and sending to the bling fairies :Lol:and the pins fitting instead of those drill bits

What relief she runs as I had to alter the bores just wasn't certain :whoohoo: :whoohoo:
Now wheres Zee I need the tutu dance :Lol:
Thanks for looking in
cheers
frazer

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2012, 10:54:05 PM »
Nicely, beautifully done Frazer!  :praise2:

I'm afraid pbucket vids don't happen, on my computer. So, I'll just imagine, silky smooth, and silent.......  :ThumbsUp:

Well done mate!   

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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2012, 11:19:40 PM »
That was beautifully done Frazier. I love it, nice smooth runner.

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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2012, 02:05:06 PM »
Thanks for the kind comments David and Don :ThumbsUp:
She has had a very quick trip to the bling faries and is now finished

Many thanks to all who have looked in
best wishes
frazer

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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2012, 04:05:03 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2012, 04:25:34 PM »
Thanks Marv, Glad you enjoyed the composition  :Lol:.Not really my thing but thought I would give it a try .I know keep the day job :embarassed:
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2012, 04:25:45 PM »
A Nice looking engine, lovely finish  :cheers:  the video was good also though i see you have removed it
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2012, 04:30:28 PM »
Not guilty you're honour don't know what has happened to the video :headscratch:
Try again

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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2012, 10:44:23 PM »
The wonderful new photobucket vids never work on my iPad anymore.  Oh well.   I will make some engine noises with my tongue  :P

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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2012, 10:53:18 PM »
Frazer.
Those bling fairies certainly know their job!  :ThumbsUp:

And, how to put on a presentation.......  :praise2:


Pbucket lost all my earlier vids. Also I have great trouble watching vids, due to the constant buffering.  :wallbang:

Never had any problems with YouTube. 

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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2012, 12:04:26 AM »
Holy crap Frazer.  Just found this thread.  U. R. Awesome!
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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2012, 05:59:13 PM »
Well done indeed Frazer  :praise2:

That's a cracker of a Cracker as well!

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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2012, 06:20:57 PM »
Nice work there Frazer, love the stirling 60  :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2012, 07:37:21 PM »
Thanks for the kind replies
Hi Arnold the Cracker goes like a Cracker with the new burner.Don't know why I build the little locomotives Ive no track :insane:.I remember you're build of Idris how did you bend the frames its always puzzled me about the allowance needed so have never bothered building her but do fancy Wild Rose just downloaded the drawings .
Just spent my allowance at Camden again :Lol: so maybe a scale engine next or another Sterling or go back to my roots and build another clock the Congrieve has always fascinated me even though it has to be a poor time keeper.
Thanks to all for the support thats about it from me for a little while
best wishes
frazer

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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2012, 08:26:52 AM »
Hi Frazer.

I didn't bend the frames on the Idris - In Dave Watkins's documentation he mentioned that it might be possible to build it without the bends and that's what I did.  It's sort of a bit of give and take; it makes the build easier, but the boiler ends up a bit smaller in diameter, and results in less capacity, so shorter run-times.  Fred (as my "Idris" is called) isn't a very good runner; there's lots of factors around that - all down to my very amateur craftsmanship and poor knowledge of live steam when I built it.  Just like Dave found, I think it could benefit greatly from a gas burner.  The alcohol burner destroyed some ties of my track - steaming up creates a lot of heat close to the track and will melt plastic ties :lolb:

I built a Cracker as well, it's a great little runner, but the gas tank is a bit wrong and allows liquid gas to get to the jet when the tank is filled - big no-no.  The original jet I used worked great, but clogged up quickly and all attempts to clean it have failed; it's basically just a bit of pierced aluminium foil scrounged from a cheap pencil torch.  So I need to figure out a way to either buy or make suitable jets.  The Cracker still needs finishing; at the moment it's pretty much a test-bed  ;)

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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2012, 10:17:43 AM »
Sterling 60? Is that how much it cost, very nice Stirling Engine.
        I'd love to build a hull like the ones you build, to put one of my Stirling Engines in, I have a tin hull, but it is heavy compaired to wood.  What sort of wood do you use.  Ian S C
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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2012, 03:36:36 PM »
Hi Arnold, many thanks for the info :ThumbsUp: You have a p.m re burner
Hi Ian I thought it was Sterling after Mr Sterling and the 60 as it was designed as a gift for his fathers 60 birthday ?
The wood for Victoria is 1/16 marine ply.As the planking is covered in paint why use a good hardwood you will have to forgive the quality of the planking as it was rough and ready partly because it was painted the other part I wasn't sure if the hull was going to work out
To use a Sterling for a boat is some thing Ive been pondering over for some time :ThumbsUp:good luck with the build.What engine do you intend using as it sounds very interesting
kind regards
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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2012, 02:46:48 PM »
Hi Frazer,

i really liked your stirling 60 engine. alot of good ideas for me. I'm in the process of starting my own and have a few questions for you if that's alright?

first of all, I'm having problems sourcing pearlitic cast iron for the displacer bearing. Did you use this or an alternative?
secondly, I'm relatively new to model engineering and was wondering how you managed to turn the inside of the displacer so finely. I did think on using another glass test tube of the same dimensions?.

I look forward to hearing from you and I've really enjoyed your work.

Andy

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2012, 08:19:09 PM »
Hi Andy,
           I used bronze for the bearing and a good model engineer friend used cast iron and despite what the instructions say they both need a little light lube on the displacer shaft just a wipe with WD40 seems to do the trick.There is room to make the bush a couple of mm longer
The displacer I made is from alloy to reduce the weight a little. The displacer rod on my engine is 3/32 dia turned down to take an 8BA thread and the cap of the displacer has a top hat shape and a blind hole threaded 8 BA if that makes sense as I didn't like the idea of gluing every thing up
The displacer was drilled then bored as thin as possible I just simply rough ground a drill to form the internal rad

In the past I made a D bit to finish the internal form


Sorry for the poor pics my camera is about Donald
There was only one minor err on the drawings or I miss read them that's more than likely.It was the hole for the candle holder in the base I think it was M5 clearance but the column was tapped M4
When you come to run it buy good quality candles as they burn a lot hotter than those ?1 per 100 type and if it still wont run try bees wax candles :ThumbsUp:
best wishes
frazer

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2012, 08:24:49 PM »
OH I forgot  :hi: and we like pictures :Lol:

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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2012, 09:35:48 PM »
I hate when a camera goes Donald on ya ;)

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