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Workshop Camera
« on: June 25, 2015, 06:20:11 PM »
For years I have been using a little IXUS 960IS to photograph those unique items that appear in my workshop  :facepalm2:

But for many months the boys at work have been trying to convince me to get a real camera and this week they presented me with one and told me "you have no excuses now"...  so this is the new to me G10  :mischief:

I need to learn how to use it, as it is full of gadgets, so now it is time to start learning  :paranoia: First experiment photographing the rockers on Kiwi using the IXUS, then with the G10, then a picture of the view finder on the G10 from the IXUS. I like the magnifying window, there is a chance I might not get half my photos out of focus any more  :naughty:

Cameras haven't half come on since my day  :old:

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 06:37:54 PM »
At least the rockers are now in focus in the second one , but you got the nut top left in th first :stir:


It takes a fair amount of time to sort out a new camera, please do not use the point and shoot mode , use aperture priority IE. Set the aperture and let the camera set th time that way you are in charge of the depth of field small aperture ( bigger number ) more of your photo in focus front to back , you need a steady hand so only one bottle of wine

At least you can practice with these new dangled jobs and not waste film

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 06:46:22 PM »
And I bet they look even better on your new monitor ;)

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 07:11:05 PM »
It takes a fair amount of time to sort out a new camera, please do not use the point and shoot mode , use aperture priority IE. Set the aperture and let the camera set th time that way you are in charge of the depth of field small aperture ( bigger number ) more of your photo in focus front to back , you need a steady hand so only one bottle of wine

 :o The Av control is a bit advanced for me: I have always been a point and pray photographer. Thankfully it has stabilisation in case I still have hold of the glass in the other hand  :wine1:

And I bet they look even better on your new monitor ;)

They are not bad when I print them out either  ;D

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 07:29:47 PM »
I have a G12, which is not very different from your G10, I love it and I'm sure that you will too.  As you are new to this type of camera I would recommend getting this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-PowerShot-G10-G11-Snapshots/dp/0321679512

The book is well written and explains how to get the best out of all of the G10's features.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2015, 08:15:07 PM »
Thanks B I have brought myself a copy :)

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 09:18:10 PM »
I've  got the Olympus equivalent, the Pen, and I'm sure you'll like it. Not as big as a DSLR, but can take take great photos, I'm sure you'll love it. You could do a quick course to familiarise yourself with the manual functions, they can be very useful to understand. Cheers, Hugh.

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 10:03:53 PM »
Jo,
You have a great camera there.  I'd recommend a tripod and if possible, a remote shutter control.  You'll never shoot an out-of focus shot again and videos will have solid startups and stops.  I wish I'd done this upgrade years ago instead of this winter.

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 10:08:46 PM »
Great score :ThumbsUp:. Now, as long as long as it was from their hearts,  the better;  if they are trying to give you a hint about retirement,  enjoy it and tell them to take that up with the uppers  :lolb:. I have Nikon of similar sorts,  pretty much all I know to do is pick out the picture on the selector wheel to kinda match what I'm shooting and push the button.  I think most of these types are similar,  regardless of brand: maybe we have a member or two that could start a thread on intro to "big body camera digital photography "   

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 11:01:27 PM »
Big body? Did Cletus say that?
My Nikon P7000 lives in the shop and is used for all of my photos and "good" engine videos.
I've got the "big" digital Nikons in their bag upstairs. No need.
Even though I've got them, and a few very $$$ light meters, the P7000 stays in P&S macro mode. Just a matter of knowing what the camera is trying to do.
Important. The camera will try very hard to focus on the area with the most texture/contrast (i.e. chips below the part on the lathe.). I keep a stack of black construction paper in the shop to lay behind the part so that focus is where I want it.
Shoot at the highest resolution. Storage space is cheap and reusable.
Always check the shot for focus after you shoot it. Use the camera's image magnifier.
Tripod. Not particularly useful for me in the shop although I can't remember when the "real" cameras weren't on the tripod.  Can't get it in the right position at the lathe or mill.
Made a 1/4-20 (standard tripod thread) adapter for the big Noga flex arm mag base. I can attach it to the cross slide, mill bed, etc.
Wireless remote or something to isolate your finger from the camera.
That's all I know.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 11:04:58 PM »
Oh, God. Before I hear screaming about image size, all of my images are reduced to 800x800 pixels for the forum. The reason to shoot at highest resolution is, in the event that someone wanted to use your images in a publication, the low res, JPEG isn't going to cut it.
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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2015, 11:23:18 PM »
If one doesn't want to fool around with a remote shutter release, use the shutter timer on your camera (presumes the use of a tripod, of course.)
Almost all of these cameras have a shutter timer so you can get yourself in the picture. 

Another tip... Download the instruction manual for your camera from the manufacturer's website and install it on your computer.  It's much easier to read on the big screen and many of the newer ones are searchable.

If you're frequently switching between tripod and handheld photos it's worth making yourself a tripod quick mount to save fiddling with the tripod screw repeatedly.  Here's a description of the one I made...

http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/showthread.php?t=8110
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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2015, 11:30:53 PM »
It's amazing how far digital imaging has come in relatively few years. Jo, you will enjoy the upgrade no doubt.

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 07:43:42 AM »
Thanks Guys,

This camera is a little big for remaining tripod so a new one may be called for  :)

I will carry on trying. It will photograph in RAW  :noidea: but having to pre-process the pictures would mean it takes me longer to go from the workshop and post things on the forum  :???:

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2015, 08:19:50 AM »
Does it not take RAW and jpg at the same time, Mine does and I just use the jpg for the forum etc and have the RAW if needed.

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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2015, 08:55:39 AM »
Yes but then it will only take 79 pictures rather than 6800 on its memory card and I will also have to reduced the image size of the jpeg :headscratch:

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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2015, 10:24:14 AM »
I doubt you are going to take 79 progress shots in a day so they can be transfered to other storage media.

And just set photobucket to resize as you upload which is what I do and they are all 640 wide ready for posting on any forum

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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2015, 12:13:41 PM »
Not that it's an issue in the shop but, the more mass that the tripod has, the better the dampening of movement.

Agree 100% with Jason on RAW+JPEG. Although it's much more than a size issue. Yes, there is the extra processing step with RAW files but...
In the shop, we are dealing with very wide brightness ranges (highly reflective metal, dark areas of shadow, etc.). Now, just suppose you took one picture and adjusted the exposure to retain highlight detail, and then, took another to get the mid tones correctly rendered and a third picture to get the shadow detail correct. That's what you have with one RAW capture. In post-processing, the highlights, mid tones and shadows can be adjusted separately without appreciably changing the other values. Sure, it takes more time but, the results are (for me) worth it.

Finally, I just formatted a 16GB card in the Nikon P&S.
Absolutely lowest resolution JPEG only = 9999 images
Best JPEG resolution only = 3162 images
RAW & best JPEG = 742 images
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2015, 06:56:00 PM »
 :disappointed: I have no idea how to get the Canon software to quickly convert these  :o 16MByte raw files into something I can post   :killcomputer: 

So I either revert to taking JPEGs or further thread posting will have to wait :killcomputer:

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2015, 06:57:44 PM »
Do you even need to be taking RAW images, why not just select jpg and carry on as you did before.

Most cameras you can select for them to record the same image in RAW and jpg at the same time, so just keep the RAW ones if you feel a need and use the jpg for forums etc. The only difference is that it will take a fraction longer to transfer the greater number of images from camera to harddisc where it will take up a bit more room.
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« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2015, 07:22:01 PM »
Boy, am I so far behind.  You guys are talking about RAW  pics and I thought Jo was going nudie  :lolb: :lolb: :hammerbash:. I was thinking,  that new lathe must be REALLY  something. 

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2015, 07:31:25 PM »
There is no way any one is photographing me and Mr Silky together in RAW  :hellno:

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2015, 07:36:58 PM »
Hey, we could have an MEM calendar, Zee are you in? :lolb:

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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2015, 07:40:12 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2015, 07:45:46 PM »
I know Dave Otto' s nuts are good for one month, any more suggestions?

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2015, 01:05:23 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2015, 01:02:46 PM »
Hey, we could have an MEM calendar, Zee are you in? :lolb:

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2015, 02:06:14 PM »
Hey, we could have an MEM calendar, Zee are you in?

I know Dave Otto' s nuts are good for one month, any more suggestions?

Where's the tutu....gotta be the TUTU!

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Am I in? Not without a Ms. December.  :naughty:
Can we afford the number of castings it would take to get (bribe) a Ms. December?

But such a calendar would only be used for one month of one year.
Wait! No. We need a Ms. February.
With Groundhog Day we can hope to use the calendar every day.  :naughty:
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2015, 02:18:22 PM »
Can we afford the number of castings it would take to get (bribe) a Ms. December?

If you are looking to do one like the Calendar girls then this set of castings might be considered a suitable bribe: http://www.quarterscalemerlin.com/  :mischief:

At least a pair of Safety glasses would also be required :DrinkPint:  :wine1:

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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2015, 04:31:59 PM »
Wow - I'd love to have that merlin as my next project!
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2015, 04:33:03 PM »
Wow - I'd love to have that merlin as my next project!

Get you kit off then :mischief:

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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2015, 04:59:16 PM »
The photos will be of me fondling the castings. So after they safely arrive I will look for a photographer  :naughty:

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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2015, 08:20:57 PM »
Hi Jo, I dont know about fondling the castings,could I come round and lick them! they are awesome. :LickLips:
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2015, 11:43:51 PM »
Can we afford the number of castings it would take to get (bribe) a Ms. December?

If you are looking to do one like the Calendar girls then this set of castings might be considered a suitable bribe: http://www.quarterscalemerlin.com/  :mischief:

At least a pair of Safety glasses would also be required :DrinkPint:  :wine1:

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My friends. A price has been offered. It seems more than reasonable to me...and quite worth it.

Let us hope that Jo doesn't realize and raise the price.  ;D
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2015, 08:51:51 AM »
There must be drawings, one cannot have a proper fondle without drawings   ::)

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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2015, 04:34:07 PM »
Wot about piccys Jo ......engines I mean!!!? >:D

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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2015, 06:37:40 PM »
So no casting offers  :disappointed:

The high res head for the Colchester cross slide arrived today so back to std resolution on the camera :( and a couple of pics using the Av setting.

This read head fits around a bit of glass scale which is set at an angle in the aluminium housing. The spring holds it onto the glass and the dinky little bearings running either side and on the top of the glass not that I could get the bearing in focus  :ShakeHead:

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« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2015, 06:50:24 PM »
Jo is that a direct replacement for a 5micron head? and does it use the same glass scale as the lower res.

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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2015, 07:14:06 PM »
Yes that is a direct replacement, fitted to the 220mm scale my cross slide now has over 1m of movement  8)

That is the one to go back I just have to fit the new scale to the Colchester then Sexy  :Love: can have his set of scales fitted.

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« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2015, 07:18:27 PM »
Yes that is a direct replacement, fitted to the 220mm scale my cross slide now has over 1m of movement  8)
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Is that an elastic scale? if so where do you get them from :LittleDevil:

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« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2015, 07:21:39 PM »
It is a special feature if you need to be able to machine a much larger flywheel  :naughty:

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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2015, 09:08:00 PM »
The old 170mm long glass scale with the low resolution head off and the 220mm long high resolution scale on  8) There was a bit of confusion as to the reading having set the read head for the higher resolution input I forgot that it was reading diameter rather than radius :facepalm:

Its amazing how nice a fella can be to you when you put his nice new 3 channel DRO in front of him and whisper in his ear "a little present for you"  :mischief:

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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2015, 01:38:08 AM »
not that I could get the bearing in focus  :ShakeHead:

Jo

Casting my mind back to 1960's when I bought my 1st 35mm single lens reflex camera, (a Praktika 4B). You needed a thing called a light meter. Using this accessory and twiddling heaps of knobs on the camera you arrived at the settings for the shutter speed etc. By the time you'd done all this, unless the subject was a statue in bright sunlight, the settings were probably wrong.

Anyway their is a thing called depth of field this can be deep as in a landscape shot or shallow as in a close up shot............Maybe????

So to get the bits you need to be in focus you need to have the depth of field to cover the range of said objects.

It was around this time that I sold said Praktika and became a dedicated photoklutz with a penchant for postcards in  my albums.

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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2015, 01:57:00 AM »
Might have to supply you with a larger dining room table for that beast Jo. Lovely engine and castings for sure though, a most worthy bribe :)

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« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2015, 04:27:18 AM »
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True in the "old days." Now, we have focus stacking (focal plane merging.)
Infinite DOF, even in macro shots of stationary objects.
Also called z-plane merging.
The concept is to make multiple exposures with the focus on a different plane for each shot.
Toss the bunch into Photoshop and out comes one image in focus, front to back. I'll try to locate some my early Adobe test images.
IIRC, the Praktica and Praktiflex were made in East Germany and were quite nice examples of early SLR technology.
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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2015, 05:57:14 PM »
:paranoia: Ok that is all a bit techie for me. My book has arrived and my temptation is to find a glass of wine and have a read instead of going out in a very warm workshop this evening.

As I expected the threat of a picture of me fondling castings was too much for you guys  >:D

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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2015, 06:37:25 PM »
As I expected the threat of a picture of me fondling castings was too much for you guys  >:D

No the asking price of the castings is what was TOO MUCH, the whip round would not even have covered the postage :LittleDevil:

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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2015, 07:02:42 PM »
Just got around to looking at the "bribe" castings, just beautiful.  However,  I'm wit Jason on the price, for that money and a quart of tequila we could get a Pamela Anderson type fondling all sorts of things  :lolb:. :mischief: :lolb:

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« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2015, 07:18:05 PM »
But they are a small fraction of what Mr Silky cost and he doesn't complain :headscratch:.

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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2015, 07:24:41 PM »
And there are the two key words: Mr. and "he". See if Mr. Silky had been Ms. Slinky and referred to as "she" then I will bet that complaints would abound  :lolb:

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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2015, 07:40:06 PM »
And there are the two key words: Mr. and "he". See if Mr. Silky had been Ms. Slinky and referred to as "she" then I will bet that complaints would abound  :lolb:

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In my experience men endlessly complain about the cost/number of castings and they get very jealous if they don't feel you are giving them their appropriate attention  ::)

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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2015, 01:22:55 AM »
Bob
True in the "old days." Now, we have focus stacking (focal plane merging.)
Infinite DOF, even in macro shots of stationary objects.
Also called z-plane merging.
The concept is to make multiple exposures with the focus on a different plane for each shot.
Toss the bunch into Photoshop and out comes one image in focus, front to back. I'll try to locate some my early Adobe test images.
IIRC, the Praktica and Praktiflex were made in East Germany and were quite nice examples of early SLR technology.

Thanks Stan.............there was me thinking I was out of my depth with "depth of field" :zap: .............but you have given me a whole new inferiority complex.

I remember "Z Cars," (an English TV series) but z planes are above/below my event horizon even were my focus to be racked and stacked.

So the only setting on my camera I ever use is AUTO. :cheers:

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Re: Workshop Camera
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2015, 05:39:13 AM »
Is this innuendo getting a little out of hand (if you'll pardon the pun) :lolb:
Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill

 

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