Author Topic: Cherry's Model Engines (Read 18799 times)

mikemill · « **on:** November 30, 2014, 03:18:31 PM »

I recently received a new book entitled Cherry’s Model Engines, it describes Cherry Hill’s career as an excellent model engineer, it is well produced and has good quality photographs (shot by Cherry) of her wonderful models.
The book would make an excellent Christmas present for anyone who appreciates exquisite craftsmanship. (usual disclaimer)
I would rank Cherry Hill along with Gerald Windgrove as the finest model engineers of the present era.

Mike

b.lindsey · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2014, 03:53:41 PM »

Here is an Amazon Link for those that may be interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Cherrys-Model-Engines-David-Carpenter/dp/0719814219/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417362639&sr=1-1&keywords=cherry%27s+model+engines

Bill

Jasonb · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2014, 04:25:13 PM »

Mine is under the tree

Official US launch is 1st Jan

J

Dave Otto · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2014, 04:34:18 PM »

Well I guess mine won't be under the tree; but it is on my Christmas list.

Dave

Quote from: Jasonb on November 30, 2014, 04:25:13 PM

Mine is under the tree

Official US launch is 1st Jan

J

Don1966 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2014, 05:07:47 PM »

I had preordered mine from Amazon and got an email that it was shipped the 28th.

Don

b.lindsey · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2014, 12:49:51 PM »

My copy arrived yesterday from Amazon. Even with just a quick cursory look so far, I must say this is a very well done book filled with lovely pictures, inspiration, and certainly a testament to Ms. Hills exquisite craftsmanship!! Well worth the cost IMHO.

Bill

GWRdriver · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2014, 01:48:24 PM »

I've been notified my copy is in the mail, due here by week's end.

philjoe5 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2014, 05:29:50 PM »

Thanks for the heads up guys. I just ordered mine for $39.

Cheers,
Phil

Don1966 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2014, 10:56:46 PM »

Just got mine today and what a fasanatiing book it is. Money well spent.

Don

zeeprogrammer · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2014, 11:16:34 PM »

Thanks for the link.
Now my kids will know what to get me.
Either for Christmas or to placate me.
Or bribe me.
Or blackmail me with.

zeeprogrammer · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2014, 11:24:58 PM »

Here's a link to something that GWRdriver posted back on HMEM for those that may not be familiar with Cherry Hill.

http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/showthread.php?t=19685

I had not known she'd moved to Florida.

Googling gives scant info. I'm looking forward to getting this book.
If my kids don't come through...I'll get it myself...and let them know it is at their inheritance expense.
So they're paying for it one way or another.

b.lindsey · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2014, 01:55:59 AM »

Sounds like a fine plan to me Zee. You won't be disappointed with the book!

Bill

mklotz · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2014, 03:49:43 PM »

I was under the impression that Amazon would not have them available until the new year. Since you folks are already receiving them, I went back and ordered my copy. I should have it next week.

Folks who haven't yet ordered it should probably do so soon. This is likely to become another Elmer's Engines. Small numbers printed and no reprints because, appealing to only niche hobbyists, few are sold. Then, as time moves on, more and more folks want a copy and the existing copies start selling for silly prices.

steamer · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2014, 04:19:07 PM »

Good advice Marv.....Done and dusted!

Dave

philjoe5 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2014, 05:13:10 PM »

I ordered my copy yesterday, it shipped today, and should be in my grease-free mitts by tomorrow

While researching Cherry Hill's bio using Google I had to laugh at one of the entries that said "Buy Cherry Hill's Model Engines at Walmart". I was all set to rush off to the local Walmart and buy one of her models but when I went to the link

http://www.walmart.com/ip/40569940

Alas, it's the book. There's a grammatical trick here somewhere

Cheers,
Phil

mklotz · « **Reply #15 on:** December 04, 2014, 05:41:33 PM »

Proper English usage says that, since it's a book title, it should be Italicized, e.g.

Cherry Hill's Model Engines

then there would be no confusion.

Aside: If working in a medium (e.g. typewriter) where an Italic font is unavailable, it's permissible to surround the title with double quote marks.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but I keep trying to improve the use of the language. I'm hoping to get a job pushing a big rock up a hill.

zeeprogrammer · « **Reply #16 on:** December 04, 2014, 11:15:43 PM »

Quote from: mklotz on December 04, 2014, 05:41:33 PM

I'm hoping to get a job pushing a big rock up a hill.

You did a fine job with me a few years ago.
If you need a reference let me know.

Marv-
No pebble too small. No boulder too large.
No matter the mass, he overcomes inertia.

He can place his hand on Gibraltar and convincingly argue that it is moving.

b.lindsey · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2014, 01:35:38 AM »

Zee...if Marv's prediction is correct, and it well could be...your kids won't even have to worry about their inheritance...they can sell the book on ebay for a small fortune, so as I see it you're just making a wise investment

Bill

mklotz · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2014, 03:42:58 PM »

Elmer's Engines is currently selling for anywhere from $200 to $1170 via Amazon...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/096216710X/ref=dp_olp_used_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=used

and as much as $1938 on ABE

http://www.abebooks.com/9780962167102/Elmers-Engines-Verburg-Elmer-096216710X/plp

HobbyNut · « **Reply #19 on:** December 05, 2014, 05:19:06 PM »

Got mine from Chapters/Indigo up here. $36.00 can.

edspin · « **Reply #20 on:** December 08, 2014, 01:24:03 PM »

Happy to say that the book is being reprinted already.

b.lindsey · « **Reply #21 on:** December 08, 2014, 02:47:25 PM »

That's good news that it was so well received. Any idea how large the first printing was?

Bill

GWRdriver · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2014, 08:33:03 PM »

I Finally received my copy of Cherry's Model Engines today and at first glance it's a superb book, well worth the price paid.
With the exception of a few closeups, which could have had more focus and depth of field, the photos and color are excellent
and nicely balanced with text. My first thought after my initial scanning through was . ."I won't be surprised if there's a Vol.ll."

I'll start in on the text later tonight and I'll be curious to see what level it's been written to. To a very high level, one would hope,
as the buyers of this book shouldn't need to have the hammer explained to them.

b.lindsey · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2014, 08:54:33 PM »

Have you all noticed it was printed in China?

Bill

Jasonb · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2014, 07:49:52 AM »

Quote from: b.lindsey on December 09, 2014, 08:54:33 PM

Have you all noticed it was printed in China?

Bill

Thats one of the reasons you were able to say "its well worth the cost"

I'm sure that if it were printed in the UK it would have cost considerably more.

J

mklotz · « **Reply #25 on:** February 18, 2015, 12:23:40 AM »

Looks like Amazon is already sold out...

http://www.amazon.com/Cherrys-Model-Engines-David-Carpenter/dp/0719814219/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424212164&sr=1-1&keywords=cherry%27s+model+engines

I'm actually surprised given our niche hobby.

And as I predicted, used copies are already being offered for $260...

http://www.amazon.com/David-Carpenter-Cherrys-Engines-Hardcover/dp/B00RWQ2TO0/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424215129&sr=1-2&keywords=cherry%27s+model+engines

b.lindsey · « **Reply #26 on:** February 18, 2015, 12:33:21 AM »

Interesting Marv...and one seller "SKYBOK" lists a used one for $262 and change while he lists a new one at $122 and change...what's up with that?? I would be surprised if they are actually getting that for them yet. I would think the publisher would go for a second printing if its moving that fast so far. Just happy I got my copy at the original Amazon price.

Bill

/// · « **Reply #27 on:** February 18, 2015, 05:54:17 AM »

Amazon may be out of stock, but Book Depository still has stock, just ordered a copy.
http://www.bookdepository.com/Cherrys-Model-Engines-David-Carpenter/9780719814211

Jasonb · « **Reply #28 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:38:01 AM »

There is a second print run being done at the moment. See david's (Edspin) post above so don't waste your money on an overpriced one.

J

sshire · « **Reply #29 on:** February 18, 2015, 01:13:04 PM »

Thanks for the Book Depository link. I've had it on order with Amazon since December and they have no projected ship date. Cancelled that one.
Maybe I shouldn't have cancelled. This could become another "Elmer's Engines" at outrageous eBay prices.

Jo · « **Reply #30 on:** February 18, 2015, 01:36:08 PM »

Amazon seem to be very good doing this. I recall one author who couldn't find a publisher to print his book for him so was selling his books out of his garage and discovered Amazon were offering his book on a discount.

As he said they had not made contact and as it cost him more than what amazon were offering to sell the books at to have them printed they would not be getting any either

.

Jo

kvom · « **Reply #31 on:** February 18, 2015, 03:15:27 PM »

Ordered from book depository just now.

Tennessee Whiskey · « **Reply #32 on:** February 18, 2015, 06:47:16 PM »

It's one of the bads that comes from all the good the old interweb provides us with. Now, y'all just remember all of this when Marv talks Stan into writing his book or better yet, should they collaborate on one

Cletus

mklotz · « **Reply #33 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:17:35 PM »

I've already got my name on a book...

Tennessee Whiskey · « **Reply #34 on:** February 18, 2015, 10:48:30 PM »

Gee, both of you guys are already published, and all I have is one signed testimony and a couple of really eloquent Porta Jon postings. Marv, any chance of obtaining an autographed copy?

E

tvoght · « **Reply #35 on:** February 18, 2015, 11:14:11 PM »

It seems a certain Marvin Klotz has gone on to his reward.

Marvin Klotz obituary:

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?pid=173093457

--Tim

mklotz · « **Reply #36 on:** February 18, 2015, 11:19:32 PM »

I was careful to say that I had my name on a book; I did not say that I wrote the book. After all, can you picture me writing a book on literature?

The story goes like this...

When I was living in Westwood, quite close to the UCLA campus, I kept getting annoying phone calls from students requesting extensions on the due date for their papers. They always referred to me as "Professor Klotz".

It happened enough that I investigated and discovered that there was a professor at the college with the surname "Klotz". No amount of explanation of the confusion to the students seemed to stem the annoying phone calls so I just went with the flow and began giving anyone who called a four week extension.

After the prof retired I learned through my connections at the college that his given name was "Marvin". What are the chances of two people with that set of names living a few miles from each other?

One day I was digging through the detritus at the local library book sale and stumbled on the pictured tome. There I was or, rather, there he was; well, anyway, "we" had our name on the cover.

Books of literature appreciation are useless so the price was very low. I snapped it up and now keep it on the coffee table to (falsely) impress yuppie pseudo-intellectuals when they wander in from wherever people like that live.

/// · « **Reply #37 on:** February 19, 2015, 02:20:19 PM »

Just got the shipping notification, should see my copy in about a week.
Looking forward to it

philjoe5 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 19, 2015, 03:12:07 PM »

Thanks for clearing that up Marv. I'd say the probability of finding 2 Marvin Klotz's within a few miles from each other likely matches the probability of a mathematician writing a book about literature.

Cheers,
Phil

ShopShoe · « **Reply #39 on:** February 20, 2015, 02:42:06 PM »

Well, since we're chattering.

My real name is the same as someone more well-known than me, and I used to regularly get calls telling me my airline tickets and hotel reservations were ready for travel to (Name your big city of choice in the USA).

Can't say I didn't fantasize about confirming for a few seconds after that.

--ShopShoe

kvom · « **Reply #40 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:56:25 PM »

Got a notice my book was shipped. Should be here in less than a week.

jschoenly · « **Reply #41 on:** February 20, 2015, 05:15:22 PM »

I got mine for Christmas and have been slowly reading through it (Don't want to read it all in one sitting). It's well done and her work is just amazing. Really nice book.

crueby · « **Reply #42 on:** February 20, 2015, 05:47:09 PM »

Amazon US currently has a bunch of new copies from sellers at reasonable prices, within a buck or two of the Amazon price. Most of the sellers are from UK, but shipping is cheap. Mine is on the way...
A couple listed at crazy prices - they will be there for a while! Saw the same thing when buying Kozos' train books, still in print at list price from publisher, some sellers asking 3 or 4 times that. Nuts!

bouch · « **Reply #43 on:** February 20, 2015, 08:07:01 PM »

Quote from: /// on February 19, 2015, 02:20:19 PM

Just got the shipping notification, should see my copy in about a week.
Looking forward to it

Where did you order from? I have an order with Amazon (US) and it still says its waiting for stock...

Mike

sshire · « **Reply #44 on:** February 20, 2015, 08:34:26 PM »

Just got my shipping notice from Book Depository. :pink elephant:

They seem to have sufficient supply

http://www.bookdepository.com/Cherrys-Model-Engines-David-Carpenter/9780719814211

crueby · « **Reply #45 on:** February 20, 2015, 10:29:06 PM »

Quote from: bouch on February 20, 2015, 08:07:01 PM

Quote from: /// on February 19, 2015, 02:20:19 PM
Just got the shipping notification, should see my copy in about a week.
Looking forward to it

Where did you order from? I have an order with Amazon (US) and it still says its waiting for stock...

Mike

On mine I ordered through Amazons web site, but ordered actual book through alternate seller. Click where it says something like '13 new from $34'. Amazon handles the money and guarantees. On the rare occasions where the other seller caused issues, Amazon made it right for me. Amazon itself is still out of stock, but plenty of other sellers have them - last I looked a half dozen under $40.

/// · « **Reply #46 on:** February 21, 2015, 03:46:50 AM »

Quote from: bouch on February 20, 2015, 08:07:01 PM

Quote from: /// on February 19, 2015, 02:20:19 PM
Just got the shipping notification, should see my copy in about a week.
Looking forward to it

Where did you order from? I have an order with Amazon (US) and it still says its waiting for stock...

Mike

Post #27 of this thread

Quote from: ///

Amazon may be out of stock, but Book Depository still has stock, just ordered a copy.
http://www.bookdepository.com/Cherrys-Model-Engines-David-Carpenter/9780719814211

For anyone that has not heard of Book Depository and has concerns, I've ordered 8 books(now 9) from them over the last two years and never had an issue. YMMV.

smfr · « **Reply #47 on:** February 21, 2015, 04:07:23 AM »

Quote from: ///

Amazon may be out of stock, but Book Depository still has stock, just ordered a copy.
http://www.bookdepository.com/Cherrys-Model-Engines-David-Carpenter/9780719814211

For anyone that has not heard of Book Depository and has concerns, I've ordered 8 books(now 9) from them over the last two years and never had an issue. YMMV.
[/quote]

Good to know! I ordered this book from them too, so we'll see how that goes. I wonder if we've bought out all their stock!

Simon

/// · « **Reply #48 on:** February 26, 2015, 11:42:53 AM »

My copy from The Book Depository got delivered this morning, had a flick thru and I can see I am really going to enjoy reading this!

My only criticism: the majority of the images appear to be soft, I don't think this is a printing error as some pages with two images will have one sharp and one soft, a bit of a shame. It's still going to be a good read, just a pity the images aren't nice sharp and detailed.

crueby · « **Reply #49 on:** March 02, 2015, 07:29:43 PM »

My copy arrived today - just incredible models! Definitely going to get inspired by these (and depressed when I cannot get close to the quality!) models, and have already seen shapes for parts that will be copied in future work too.

kvom · « **Reply #50 on:** March 02, 2015, 10:50:53 PM »

I got my copy from Book Depository 2 days ago. The work that goes into these models is incredible.

zeeprogrammer · « **Reply #51 on:** March 03, 2015, 12:27:43 AM »

Got the book as a 'surprise' for Christmas from my daughters. Love it.
It's at the top of the stack in my 'reading room'.

As was previously mentioned...it can inspire you...it can depress you. I hope it is inspiration for all.

P.S. Can't help but think of Jo as I read it.

/// · « **Reply #52 on:** March 03, 2015, 03:44:21 AM »

Quote from: crueby on March 02, 2015, 07:29:43 PM

... (and depressed when I cannot get close to the quality!)...

I don't think anyone should get depressed. The amount of work Cherry puts into her models is simply phenomenal.
I'd have to go back and check the book (I'm at work) but I think the model on the cover took 8000 hours over 5 years. That works out to an average of around 4 hours 20 mins every.... single.... day, for 5 years!!!
How many of us have that much time to devote to a hobby?!
I would, if I could!!

It is for this very reason that I never critisise any model, however it looks, because I know how much effort goes in to them and the builder has done the best they can with the tools, experience and time they have available to them.
I'm happy if I even get to turn my lathe on, let alone cut any metal with it!

Jo · « **Reply #53 on:** March 03, 2015, 08:58:10 AM »

Quote from: zeeprogrammer on March 03, 2015, 12:27:43 AM

P.S. Can't help but think of Jo as I read it.

Thank you Zee, but I have seen Cherry's models in the metal, they are exquisitely detailed and true showcase models, as well as fully working

.

I too would like to be able to spend 4 hours a day in the workshop but I don't feel the need to count those hours or the number of parts I manage to make (anymore

)

I don't own a copy of this book, I have flicked through one. I have lots of other must reads that I still have not read

Jo

fcheslop · « **Reply #54 on:** March 03, 2015, 11:45:51 AM »

Can only say Iv never had a problem with The Book Depository and just received Der Lanz-Bulldog als Flammen-fresser 1;10 at well below the cover price
Just my two penneth.
cheers

/// · « **Reply #55 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:30:26 PM »

Quote from: /// on March 03, 2015, 03:44:21 AM

...
I'd have to go back and check the book (I'm at work) but I think the model on the cover took 8000 hours over 5 years.
...

Apologies, it was the Burrell Showman's engine.
This is my favourite of her engines, I guess that's why those figures stuck!

Hans · « **Reply #56 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:42:48 PM »

Thanks for the heads-up. I am ordering a copy today.

Have there ever been any articles in print or on the web that give a tour of her workshop?

Hans

Jasonb · « **Reply #57 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:56:05 PM »

No, there is a little about her workshops in the book but not much.

The second edition is now available by all accounts.

Hans · « **Reply #58 on:** April 18, 2015, 12:14:11 AM »

I just received my copy. It was worth every penny and is a book that I would recommend to every model maker.

I found myself wishing that there were more close-up photos showing the many details of each piece. I would have gladly paid double for double the size. Not a complaint, mind you. I have probably become spoiled by access to digital photos in which I can zoom in at will.

~Hans

Speedy · « **Reply #59 on:** April 24, 2015, 02:10:27 PM »

Quote from: premodern on March 03, 2015, 02:42:48 PM

Have there ever been any articles in print or on the web that give a tour of her workshop?

Autumn 2008 ME and MEW print special "Setting up a Workshop".

Exclusive! Cherry Hill interview. 14 pages of text and photos. I'd forgotten I had it, so I'm going to read it again. Bit of a downer for anyone who is setting up a workshop though. Hers is enough to make you give up before you've even started!

Pete

edspin · « **Reply #60 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:08:38 PM »

The book is about to go to its fourth reprint - but still available in the meantime.

News:

Author Topic: Cherry's Model Engines (Read 18799 times)

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