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« on: June 09, 2013, 09:22:22 AM »
A little while back I mentioned, in another thread, that I was in the process of building a die filer - something that I have wanted for quite some time now.

This is my version of the AME filer, modified to accommodate materials at hand, pretty good progress is being made, despite workshop time being tight.

Some progress shots to date - no descriptions, as it is all pretty straightforward, but I will be happy to answer any questions.

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 09:36:14 AM »
Are they oilite bushes there Tel? I know you gave the issue number(s) recently, any chance of a recall? Looking good.

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Re: Die filer
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 09:38:59 AM »
Do you get the files? Machine files (as we call them), are getting more and more a rare item. The only manufacturer I know of in Germany quit making them years ago. You just can buy from his remaining stock.


I visited that file maker a few years ago, and I was close to buy one of his machines. He just makes custom "files" (grippers for printing presses) and gave up making shop files. During the tour through his shop, he showed me different makers of files. If you see them side by side, you immediately realize what crap comes from India.
Only file maker left in Europe that makes perfect quality is Vallorbe (Vallrobe?) in Switzerland.




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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 09:48:43 AM »
No Hugh, just plain bronze bushes. I'm hoping they will be ok - the crankshaft is hollow, with a grease nipple at the rear end, and one of the journals will lube the big bush.

The AME issue is Sept/Oct 2010, but don't despair if you don't have it. Let me know.

Nick, decent files of any sort are getting hard to come by. At this stage I am planning on using modified hand files - there are a couple of places doing machine files, but they are very, very proud of 'em. 'New' Old stock via ebay is one good source of files, but you have to be patient.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 01:50:19 PM »
Looking good Tel!   That's coming nicely!

I need to learn how to weld!..... :embarassed:

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 02:08:01 PM »
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Don't know about the shipping cost but both Victornet and Oliver have files in stock at fairly reasonable prices.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 02:39:46 PM »
Looking good Tel, you have been busy. Like Stan said,  I also got my files from Victornet.

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 05:33:06 PM »
Tel, your die filer's looking great!  You'll have it done in no time at this rate :)
How are you going to power it?  Is it going to hook up to your lathe? Or will it have its own motor?

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 11:24:42 PM »
Thanks folks! The plan is for it to have its own motor (stand alone unit) but I suspect it might get tried out on the lathe before I get that far!
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2013, 12:41:55 AM »
Im following along tel...just happy to know these can be made without castings!

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2013, 04:21:38 AM »
Nice work Tel. I have it (plans) for the same one and will make a start once I get the bits & pieces together. I will have to stick weld it as the mig is out of gas and BOC and the other guys are getting ridiculous with the rental prices and I don't like the so called gasless wire. <required lifespan has been extended to 235 years to complete it all> :lolb:
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2013, 06:22:50 AM »
I stick welded the main parts together, did the cover plates and tidy up with o/a.

You're right about BOC tho - almost $400 this year for the rental of two small bottles  >:( Looks like this might be my last year with it, which will hurt almost as much as the $400.  :(
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 04:29:30 AM »
A little more progress - the connecting rod finished and the file-carrying arms bored, drilled & tapped ready for final shaping.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2013, 06:18:46 AM »
Nice! I'm starting to think that a die filer would be useful, for those cases where you need to make sharp-cornered holes in things.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2013, 04:52:21 PM »
Very nice Tel. Is the top going to be fixed or tiltable?
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2013, 10:38:54 PM »
The table will be tiltable tho I think I'm going to have to modify it a bit - as drawn it is only supported on one side, which doesn't seem such a good idea to me.
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2013, 04:24:37 PM »
Tel on the connecting rod, did you pin the brass bushing in place? I seem to see two pins. Just curious.....
Nice work by the way.

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2013, 09:44:41 PM »
Well spotted Don! Yes, I did put two pins in - more as a 'belt 'n braces' precaution than anything. That 2 3/16" od bush seemed a bit big to rely on the glue alone.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2013, 10:19:17 PM »
And did said bush come from a rather large bit of solid bronze? I've looked, but can't find anything remotely suitable from bearing suppliers.

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2013, 10:27:57 PM »
.... a large stub of cored bronze, yes. Probably enough left here for another if you are in need.

Our local scrappy used to get a good few stub ends of bronze in and I have accumulated a few - not as many as I should have tho!  ;) Been a bit of a drought lately  :(
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2013, 10:36:53 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 12:17:33 AM »
I think we must have been seeing what George had at the same time. I'll let you know if I need it, many thanks. Currently holed up at Milsons Point above Luna Park at a mates place. Flooded out at home since Monday, may get there tomorrow.

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2013, 12:36:23 AM »
Best of luck with the flood Hugh!....hope it wasn't too bad! Glad your safe!


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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2013, 02:45:03 AM »
Yeah, keep safe - floods are not good things to argue with!

Just had a look - there's about 2 1/2" of that bronze there - if you need it it would be best to send the whole piece - much easier to make the bush with something to hold it by.
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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2013, 06:52:42 AM »
I'm very safe here! Anything over 50mm and we're often flooded in (much better than out), but it looks like it'll be more than 300mm over 3 1/2 days.

I'll let you know about the bronze Tel, I have so much to do, learning how to walk and getting back to earning a living at the top of the list. And building a shed, more to come. The die filer is up there, though.

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2013, 04:16:06 AM »
A little further along - an oospy on the bottom arm, but I'll have to live with that - might look a bit better after final cleanup.

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2013, 04:37:56 AM »
Tiny oopsy. Paint the arms matt black, no-one will notice. Looking the business, though.

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2013, 10:25:26 AM »
Well, it will be obscured under the work table, so hopefully yes! Still annoying when you do things like that tho' :(
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2013, 10:28:16 AM »
Tiny oopsy. Paint the arms matt black, no-one will notice. Looking the business, though.

Hugh.

It does look the business.....I have another tool to build!....... ::)....after the Wallaby...
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2013, 12:26:23 PM »
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A little further along - an oospy on the bottom arm, but I'll have to live with that - might look a bit better after final cleanup.



Just make the same Oopsy on tother side and everybody will think its part of the design.  ;)

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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2013, 01:29:27 PM »
Looking good to me Tel, just file the rod flat with the oops and you,ll never know the difference. Nice work by the way.  :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2013, 03:11:38 PM »
Looking good to me Tel, just file the rod flat with the oops and you,ll never know the difference. Nice work by the way.  :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2013, 07:47:40 AM »
Getting very close to the sea trials! Did get that oopsy out, but then the arm disappeared under the table anyway. Fitted with a 5/32" chain saw file for testing purposes (the easiest adapters to make  ;) )











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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2013, 08:31:37 AM »
Looks great Tel, especially in the afternoon light.

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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2013, 08:50:00 AM »
I am watching with great interest to see the first swarf made.

Being a fan of wielding the Mk1 hand file I am looking forward to hearing how good this is  ;).

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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2013, 09:00:16 AM »
Thanks folks. I have high hopes for it Jo, as Mr A. Ritis won't let me wield a file with quite as much gusto as in days of yore!
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« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2013, 11:58:01 AM »
I love it tel!!  I am hoping you will post a video of it as well.  I am thinking this or something similar will have to be put on my to do list soon.

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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2013, 01:27:40 PM »
Hey that came out great Tel, I am curious to see it in action.  :ThumbsUp:

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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2013, 05:37:52 PM »
Looks great to me Tel!

Put her to work man!

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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2013, 06:46:46 PM »
I want to see it work too. you can't tell a redneck nothing, you got to show him. Looks good bloke. Now, come clean; did you make it or win it in a card game? 8)

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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2013, 04:56:30 AM »
Dang Mr. Whiskey - who blabbed? Now everbody knows!
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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2013, 07:24:32 PM »
Nice job Tel  :ThumbsUp: - You can get started on Die Filer Mk2 while shiping this one to me for exhaustive quality checking  :LittleDevil:

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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2013, 12:06:56 AM »
Pretty darn nice, Tel.  I like making things out of structural steel.  Cheap and strong!

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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2013, 12:27:04 AM »
 :D Cheap enough, I have around $0 invested in this so far!

Sorry Arnold - I couldn't possibly send it out until it has been thoroughly tested - that shouldn't take more than 30 years (with luck)
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2013, 06:13:17 AM »
You Reeker! She lives!

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2013, 06:18:57 AM »
... just a rough lash up with an old drill, and old vee belt and some odds n ends - but it works!

A bit of a (free-form) play in the third pic, and some blurry swarf just for Jo!

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« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2013, 08:57:51 AM »
She's an active little tyke Tel, looks great. How are you lubricating the large bronze bush, and what sort of stroke does it have? I know how I can find this out, and so do you, but the others may wish to find out.

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« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2013, 09:29:02 AM »
 ;D There's a grease nipple in the end of the crankshaft, behind the vee pulley, that sents grease to the eccentric bush and the plain main bearing. The top pin and the vertical rod are lubed by manual oiling.

Stroke is 1 1/4" - a little shorter than the original plans, but I had to modify it a bit to make the materials I had work.

Speed, as far as I can judge, at the moment is around 140 strokes per min - probably a bit far but I am waiting on a speed controller for a little 300w motor I have on hand here, when that arrives I can make up a proper drive arrangement and get it all mounted 'somewhere'. Might run the tacho on it tomorrow anyway, just as a matter of interest.

Thus far I am happy! Next, a hold down for it (not that a lifting workpiece is really a problem) but I am thinking one that will mount on either rear corner of the table, swivel and adjust in and out.
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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2013, 11:12:24 AM »
Thanks for the video Tel...looks like you're nearly in business once that motor controller comes in. Nice project and very well done!!!

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« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2013, 02:50:01 PM »
That's awesome Tel!.......Nice job

got me somewhat lathered about the whole prospect now!...

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« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2013, 04:57:24 PM »
Just curious, Tel, is there a particular reason you opted for an eccentric/crank drive rather than a scotch yoke type drive?

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« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2013, 06:53:39 PM »
Hey bloke, what was the winning hand :LittleDevil:. Really, great job. When you get it all anchored and geared up I'd like to see some video from under the table. I see the way it runs, I'm just gotta a little confusion on how. As a matter, kinda reminds me of myself in me younger days :lolb: :LittleDevil: :lolb:


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« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2013, 08:49:17 PM »
Thanks guys!

Yeah Eric - 'Round and round went the great big wheel ....'

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Just curious, Tel, is there a particular reason you opted for an eccentric/crank drive rather than a scotch yoke type drive?

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Chuck, that's the way the AME version was drawn - I suspect because of the much great bearing surface on the eccentric.
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« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2013, 07:15:58 AM »
Some progress on the horizon - this arrived today
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« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2013, 08:14:47 AM »
What sort of motor is it? DC?

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« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2013, 08:45:17 AM »
I wish! Life would be much simpler. It's a 1/2 hp 240v 2800rpm motor, hence the need for the speed controller.
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« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2013, 09:16:52 AM »
I didn't know you could control the speed of those motors electrically. Well, not cheaply or efficiently. Looking forward to hearing of the results, hoping you'll excuse the tautology.

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« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2013, 09:25:11 AM »
It's one of these
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/231009675000?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

The ratings look OK, so I have hopes, but I'm afraid I am a bit of a babe in the woods when it comes to electronics. Time will tell - hopefully try it tomorrow.
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« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2013, 10:25:43 AM »
I see you spared no expense!

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« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2013, 10:36:16 AM »
 ;D Nope! Last of the high rollers, that's me!
The older I get, the better I was.
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Re: Die filer
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2013, 12:09:15 PM »
Tel I have DC and AC controllers for similar costs for my faceting machine as I set up a 12v Holden heater fan motor (ex Kingswood) and 240 150w AC motor. They work ok for me so I reckon it will do your job no worries
Pete
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« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2013, 12:18:28 PM »
Tel
should be fine. Oliver only has 2 speeds on the pulleys. Slow and a bit faster.
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Stan