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Offline mklotz

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Using the threading dial
« on: March 27, 2013, 05:17:54 PM »
Some folks are confused by which marks to use on the threading dial on their
(assumed Imperial) lathe.  Of course, you're always safe restarting on the
same dial mark on which you started but that means you'll spend a lot of time
'waiting for your number to come up'.

It's pretty easy to think through.  Most dials have four numbered marks
labeled, unsurprisingly, 1-4.  Between these marks are smaller, unnumbered
marks.

[Aside:  A consequence of the four numbered mark dial is the fact that the
gear that meshes with the feed screw will have a number of teeth which is four
times the tpi of the feed screw, i.e., an 8 tpi lead screw will have a 32
tooth gear on its thread dial.  This is worth knowing if you intend to build a
threading dial for a lathe that lacks one.  Since there's no load on this
gear, a perfect match to the helix angle of the lead screw is not needed.  Any
old gear with the right number of teeth can be pressed into service.]

The numbered marks almost always correspond to a carriage movement of one
inch. (However, you should confirm this by actual measurement on your lathe.)
By deduction, the unnumbered lines must then correspond to a carriage movement
of one-half inch.

Now, suppose I'm cutting an even-numbered thread (e.g., 32 tpi).  If I move the
carriage by one-half inch, the tool will reenter the thread perfectly.  If I
move the carriage one inch, the tool will also reenter.  Therefore, I can
reengage the half-nuts on ANY line on the threading dial.

If I'm cutting an odd-numbered thread (e.g., 13 tpi), the tool will not reenter
the thread if I move one-half inch - I have to move one inch.  Therefore, I
must reengage the half-nuts on ANY NUMBERED LINE on the dial.  (If I started
the thread on an unnumbered line, I would then reengage on unnumbered lines but
that is generally too difficult to remember in the 'heat' of thread cutting and
should be avoided.)

If I'm cutting a half-fractional thread (e.g., 11-1/2 tpi), the tool will only
reenter the thread every two inches.  Therefore I must reengage the half-nuts
on ONLY THE ODD NUMBERS ON THE DIAL (1 and 3) or on the even numbers (2 and
4). It's a good idea to decide on one of these options and always stick with
it.  I always start the thread on 1 and then use either 1 or 3 to reengage.

Rarely, a lathe can cut a 1/4 thread (e.g., 1-1/4 tpi).  This thread will only
repeat every four inches so, in cutting such a thread, one would reengage the
half-nuts on the same mark one used to start the thread.
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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 06:56:23 PM »
That is probably the best explanation I have read on the use and theory of the threading dial. Here we normally teach just the rules and design the lab project with an even number of threads to minimize confusion and errors, but I am sure that adding this to the lecture part of threading on the lathe will make the rules much clearer and hopefully even more memorable...so thanks Marv.  Now if i can just get them to pay enough attention to hitting the major OD of the threads they are asked to single point :) !!

Bill

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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 07:23:23 PM »
When can I expect my first royalty check?  :naughty:
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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 07:26:47 PM »
It sounds so simple and obvious when you explain it Marv, thanks.

Jim

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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 07:30:31 PM »
At last!

Other explanations that I have read seem to come at it from the wrong direction so that it was hard to retain.  This makes perfect sense and it should find an empty place in my brain to stick to.  Thanks Marv.

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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 07:44:52 PM »
When can I expect my first royalty check?  :naughty:

Don't you accept cash or diamonds any more? :-\
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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 07:51:13 PM »
In the words of Roy D. Mercer; Well by God! So simple even a redneck can understand it. Great job Marv.
Bill, try texting the "message" to them, I swear they think everything should be smartphone linked. :ROFL:

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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 08:07:57 PM »
Good point Eric....path of least resistance and all !!  Now wondering how many on here have heard of Roy D. Mercer...but so as not to hijack Marv's much more intellectual thread, that should best be left to another thread  :naughty:

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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 08:27:04 PM »
All well and good for the 4 mark dials. The we come to the Clausing/Metosa with a dial marked 1 to 20 .
:-)  But there is a nice little plate with the explanation on it.  So anyone that can read English  should
be in good shape. :-) (If they take the time to read it).
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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 10:00:41 PM »
Very nice Marv, thank you.  I always appreciate knowing the "why" instead of the "do it this way" that is the usual instruction for using a threading dial.

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Re: Using the threading dial
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2013, 03:40:43 PM »
I have a 2tpi lead screw and need to get around to making a thread dial. 

 

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